Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters

0:00 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:00 Chris I'm Chris.

0:00 Adam I'm Adam.

0:00 Lee And we are here this evening to discuss 2013's Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters. There will be spoilers, there will be swearing. My fuck is it hot.

0:00 Lee I am so warm right now.

0:00 Lee I am we've only just started recording and I'm already starting to think by the end of this I might well wither and die.

0:00 Chris If we get through ten minutes, we've done well.

0:00 Adam Well, I don't want to alarm you, but below the surface I have adopted the news reader's talent of, I ain't wearing any trousers.

0:01 Lee Yeah.

0:01 Adam Me, I'm respectful. My scratchers are hidden.

0:01 Chris You could you can be respectful but when you stand up and you forget you're on camera still.

0:01 Adam Exactly, yeah. Just just yeah, sudden bump.

0:01 Adam Yeah, sudden bumping ratings goes to prove everything. So. But yes, it is. Well, that was a chemistry problem that crashed and went wrong.

0:01 Lee I am fully your tangerine candy floss. Oh.

0:01 Adam But um, yeah, no, it is a it's not as hot as it has been but it's still bloody hot.

0:01 Lee But everyone's been getting all the weather so. No further ado. Yeah, 2013 in my mind this film is about five years old.

0:01 Lee I cannot believe it's fucking 12 years old. It keeps yeah.

0:01 Chris I was thinking that about the fact that it's got steampunk in it, and I was like, that's actually been a long time since I've seen anything with steampunk in now. And that and that whole genre feels like it should still be kind of new.

0:02 Lee Yeah, I agree. I agree. So I know that it's first time for both of you but Chris, what did you make of this on your first viewing?

0:02 Chris I like it's great fun, isn't it? It and it's got it's got the feel of Dead Snow, but changed enough. Like and it and I liked it, he got straight into the action pretty much. And I thought is this is that a good sign, but actually, yeah, after like you know, 10 15 minutes, it started to build up, started to progress and it's like no this is this is great fun.

0:02 Lee It is proper switch your brain off shit. This is what I and sometimes this is all I need like we like Adam and I were saying before, this I think this is a perfect uh film to to watch with like Van Helsing. It's that it's not it's not it's nothing genius.

0:02 Chris I haven't seen Van Helsing yet, but...

0:03 Lee It's nothing genius, it's daff as dog shit.

0:03 Chris Oh, it did have a big twist though.

0:03 Lee It did have a twist.

0:03 Adam That's how twist.

0:03 Lee Adam, what did you make of it?

0:03 Adam Yeah, I've been like you say, it's it's a it's a brains off uh sound on movie. Um, it's I mean, it's I think okay. I mean, I'm not won't necessarily watch it again. And I have to say I just have a weird I have a thing, I don't know why Jeremy Renner is a star.

0:03 Chris Oh, oh, so like I was I was having some of those thoughts. And and like but then he does something where he's a bit nice and I'm like you're all right.

0:03 Adam It's just it's just a weird thing that it's just I don't I can't quite work it because it's like.

0:03 Chris He seems like generally he's good all around.

0:03 Adam Yeah, but he's he doesn't seem handsome enough.

0:03 Chris Nothing that should have necessarily propelled him.

0:04 Adam To like that's the reason.

0:04 Lee Yeah.

0:04 Adam He also doesn't seem to be charismatic enough that that's the reason. Do you know what I mean? It's you know, I mean, for one you know, enemy of the show Tom Cruise.

0:04 Lee Yeah.

0:04 Adam You know, the fucker can act when he chooses to. And he's clearly a good looking man.

0:04 Chris Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:04 Adam Where Jeremy Renner I'm a bit sort of like, oh, was was someone else not able?

0:04 Adam And obviously and obviously it's like it's also that rub off thing of being basically the Aquaman of Marvel and that he's Hawkeye.

0:04 Chris Yeah.

0:04 Adam He's only got mask mate. What's going on there?

0:04 Lee You know what, I I think it is genuinely because every time I hear a story about him, a bit like with Keanu Reeves, it's always super positive and he seems like the nicest fella. And I wonder if he's just kind of gotten into Hollywood and everyone just goes, he's lovely though, isn't he?

0:05 Chris We'd quite like him to be an actor, like yeah.

0:05 Adam That could be a good sign actually like you say cuz let's face it Keanu Keanu Reeves uh very attractive man but it's definitely not his acting that got him there.

0:05 Adam And looks alone do not build you a reputation. So maybe that's the thing. I mean, have you have you ever heard his um uh his music as well. It's a bit sort of.

0:05 Lee Oh dear. Keanu Reeves.

0:05 Adam No, Jeremy Renner.

0:05 Lee Jeremy Renner.

0:05 Adam Jeremy Renner's got a band but it's it's it's very much.

0:05 Chris Is it also like reasonably good.

0:05 Adam It's kind of it's kind of whatever Bruce Springsteen is.

0:05 Lee Oh, okay.

0:05 Adam Thank you. Clear the corners just off the off the genre type shit.

0:05 Lee Yeah.

0:05 Adam Just sort of wank rock stuff.

0:05 Adam Yeah, just sort of like you know, just sort of like, hey, I'm just an ordinary guy and I've got a guitar and some denim.

0:05 Lee I'm going to check it out. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how I get on.

0:06 Chris I'm glad you've boosted him up a bit for me Lee, that's.

0:06 Adam That that was the thing is do you know what this really felt like to me and I can't remember I can't remember we had a film a little while back where we said it about as well. This feels like it was a comic first.

0:06 Lee Yes.

0:06 Adam And then they adapted it because there's loads of little bits that don't quite go anywhere, but I kind of feel like if you like if you read the comic, you know that that's a bigger deal.

0:06 Chris It felt like there could be more of a world being built.

0:06 Adam Yes, I wonder if it was they had a sequence.

0:06 Adam Yeah, looking for sort of like a sequel thing because it's like it's like I I cuz I actually really like the idea that the witch's sweets gave him magical diabetes.

0:06 Lee Yeah, that but it doesn't really lead to anything.

0:06 Adam So I kind of thought you know, if it was one of those things where I was like, I bet if you read the comic there's like a three there's a three issue Arc where they really go into that but they've put it in the film because they know the fans are going to want to have they wouldn't want that element missed out.

0:07 Adam And I don't I I also cuz don't they say it's like what is it? It's he has to inject every hour.

0:07 Adam And I'm like, well I'm assuming you must have a steampunk alarm clock because I don't know that I could be up every hour on the air to make sure I didn't die.

0:07 Adam But with depressive conditions that might it might be just far too tempting to not set the alarm clock. But that's me.

0:07 Lee But yeah, I did I just I again I find this film this is probably the fourth or fifth time I've seen it.

0:07 Lee So I have been back to it several times. I say when I want something darft that and the thing is I know it's a bad movie.

0:07 Lee I was waiting for it to come out and it was one of those I I've seen the trailer, I was desperate for it. It came out and I went oh it's just the trailer with extra bits.

0:07 Chris Yeah, yeah, definitely has that about it.

0:07 Lee But I still enjoy it and there's something about it that keeps bringing me back.

0:07 Lee And it's the cast as well. The cast is so.

0:08 Chris Yeah, so so certainly a stepped up cast from me not recognizing anyone in Dead Snow.

0:08 Lee Yeah.

0:08 Chris Um, there's definitely something and Peter Stormare.

0:08 Lee Peter Stormare, yeah.

0:08 Chris Playing another useless cop as he does in Spun. Um, which is a second person from Spun recently when we had John Leguizamo.

0:08 Lee John Leguizamo, yeah.

0:08 Adam Cuz I I assumed watching it that that was going to be a bigger thing because it's Peter Stormare and he's kind of.

0:08 Chris Yeah.

0:08 Adam Cuz obviously, I always think of Fargo principally.

0:08 Lee Yeah, I do. Yeah.

0:08 Adam But then also just how oddly disturbing he is in Constantine.

0:08 Adam And Constantine is kind of in a similar sort of vein. It's not necessarily a film. It's that sort of adventure and that's actually adapted from a comic.

0:08 Chris Isn't that one that's got Keanu Reeves in?

0:08 Adam It has, yeah.

0:08 Chris I've only ever seen the poster for.

0:09 Adam Oh, right. Yeah, but he he's Satan in it.

0:09 Adam And I'm not I mean it's part partly it's the direction but it's certainly the performance there's just something that he gives cuz he is a frankly, he's got to be he's got to be absolutely charming and run a kitten farm because if he was as he comes across in a lot of his roles.

0:09 Lee Yeah.

0:09 Adam You know, it would be like I don't want to be in the same room as the man. The man must be fucking disturbing.

0:09 Lee Again, it's another one of those things, you know, like we've said with other actors where they always seem to get past get cast sorry as the most obnoxious, horrendous human beings. And then whenever you see him interviewed or whatever, you're like, oh, they're really nice.

0:09 Adam And well, I mean, he's a fantastic.

0:09 Lee You feel sorry for them. You like it can only be your appearance that people keep going. We need someone who's a real piece of shit. Let's get him. He looks like a real piece of shit.

0:10 Adam He gives good menace.

0:10 Lee Yeah.

0:10 Chris He's got the voice for it.

0:10 Adam I kind I kind of assumed that he was going to be a bigger part to it or there was going to be a link up between him and the witches.

0:10 Chris When you see him at the start it yeah.

0:10 Adam You know. And which which oddly enough, I mean is kind of a refreshing thing rather than it's like, you know, he's clearly genuine about his prejudice against witches. Um, it's not a front because he's actually in collusion or whatever like that.

0:10 Adam But it does seem to sort of like just go, I we'll just get rid of that because that's just we don't need that bit of the plot anymore.

0:10 Adam So you know, we get Edward to tread on his head. And that I was impressed with as well. It's you know that that is a um I didn't I sort of assumed but Edward was um practical.

0:10 Lee Yeah.

0:10 Adam Like, you know, and at first you just assume that they're they're going to achieve it to a certain extent through CGI or anything else like that. But no actually that was like as a practical effect. And I did enjoy sort of the aesthetic I really enjoyed cuz you've got like you said Chris you've got those sort of steampunk elements but it's like in a fairy tale land cuz it's like, well, where cuz obviously it's fairy tale. So it's like where is this set?

0:11 Adam And you know, it's roughly middle of Europe, roughly medieval. But you've got a brass Gatling gun and a a homemade gramophone and stuff like that and you know steampunk cattle prods and stuff.

0:11 Adam And but I also really like the fact that the witches are just riding around on branches.

0:11 Lee Yeah.

0:11 Adam You know, they're sort of um, I don't I wish we'd seen more of when they actually at the end of it where it's like the they have the sort of gathering. And it's like, loads of these witches look really interesting.

0:11 Adam Could we have not had them earlier, you know, we've seen more of this variety but again, maybe that was they were thinking, well, we'll save that for the sequel.

0:12 Chris It did seem like that definitely.

0:12 Lee That was exactly what I thought. I thought the same when I watched the trailer and saw them all. I was like, oh, even if they only get a few minutes each like to see these some of these witches would be amazing.

0:12 Lee Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's that cabin in the woods thing of you see them all at once and then they're all just decimated and they're gone and you're like so many characters that you've made and given their own looks and they're all so interested and you don't get to see any of them in any depth. They all just get massacred immediately.

0:12 Adam Yeah.

0:12 Adam And um but yeah, I think I mean Gemma Arterton's great. I mean obviously we saw her in um, uh the voices.

0:12 Lee Yes.

0:12 Lee I love her. I think she's just she's I think she's really good like in so many different roles. Um and she always just comes across so sweet is the thing like you almost can't.

0:13 Adam Well, weirdly enough, when I was like looking cuz there's there's not a lot about it online. You know, other than sort of like bog basics of sort of filming and stuff like that. Um, but by the looks of things like Gemma Arterton was like third fourth choice or whatever like that or wasn't wasn't originally in the running and I'm like, but she's fucking good, you know.

0:13 Lee And she's perfect for this role.

0:13 Adam And she's sort of like, I mean, she was doing um, I think both her and Jeremy Renner are doing like majority a lot of their own fighting and their own stunts and things like that.

0:13 Adam Um, and again, you know, it's throwing yourself into the role.

0:13 Chris Yeah.

0:13 Lee I was going to say if nothing else the action in this is really hard like really fast-paced and like it's it's an exciting film, isn't it?

0:14 Chris And there is some brutal dark bits. Even though it's presented in quite a light way.

0:14 Adam Well, you can definitely see Tommy Wirkola's hand in this cuz obviously like we said he he sort of doing doing this because we watched Dead Snow.

0:14 Chris Yeah.

0:14 Adam And yeah, it's that same sort of frantic action and things like that. I think this has more this has more ebb and flow cuz sort of Dead Dead Snow is like basically starts and then it's just a Once it kicks off it's it's stupid to use the term snowball for Dead Snow but it's you know, it just keeps keeps going.

0:14 Chris Once it kicks off it's.

0:14 Adam Whereas this this has change and everything else like that.

0:14 Adam I do also have to I do have to say though is that they I think they play well together, but I don't quite get brother and sister.

0:14 Adam But I suspect that's just because of I was really spoiled by Nope.

0:15 Adam Which is one of the most fucking realistic like sibling relationships I've ever seen in anything.

0:15 Adam And it's like.

0:15 Lee 100% Yeah, yeah.

0:15 Adam So, you can't complain that it's not something else. So but you know, I think that they um.

0:15 Adam Cuz there's bits where you feel they would be a bit more sort of like they could just be like when they land on top of each other and it wouldn't be sort of like, oh you okay or anything like get off.

0:15 Adam Yeah.

0:15 Adam There's there's that sort of you you don't have that sort of you have that offhandedness that sort of, you know, it um.

0:15 Adam I think and because that's the thing is cuz obviously they're there is there are funny lines and there's funny dialogue and stuff like that. So I think it would feed into it that well if they'd have had that more knockabout sort of thing.

0:15 Adam Um, but I think that um, and uh.

0:16 Adam Yeah, I think um, Famke Janssen's um I mean, she's she's good. It's not necessarily her best sort of role but then I think it's what you're it's what you have there.

0:16 Adam But I still think she makes an impact and I think she's still.

0:16 Lee She does make an impact especially on me cuz I had a strange moment of realization where watching this I was like, she's an attractive woman. Why do I find her at least twice as attractive when she turns into the evil witch? I definitely do.

0:16 Adam Well, that we can't explain cuz it's not that sort of a podcast.

0:16 Lee Yeah.

0:16 Adam We are not going to we are not going to sort of go into the the sort of psychology of your mind.

0:16 Lee Yes.

0:16 Lee But it's funny cuz in my mind, I don't know why I always mix her up with Gal Gadot. So in my mind, it was like, oh it's Gal Gadot plays the witch and then I was like, no, it isn't. It isn't I don't know why I confuse it. I think they've got similar hair.

0:17 Adam Actually, I think Claire's Claire said same thing she thought it was at first. So there are there is obviously a similarity there.

0:17 Adam But I mean obviously, I mean much like Gemma Arterton, I mean, she's a former Bond girl as well.

0:17 Lee Yeah.

0:17 Adam top and she's Jean Grey in pretty much all the X-Men franchise. I think she's in everyone, isn't she? I can't remember.

0:17 Lee I've not seen them all so I'm not up to date on them.

0:17 Adam But yeah, so I mean it's.

0:17 Adam I do I think the cuz cuz at first I was quite happy to be going, hang on. You said that the evil people who uh women who use Witchcraft it makes them ugly and everything else like that. And then it was like, oh she has to be a supreme witch if she can glamorize herself and disguise herself and everything. But then it's then it went into the other end of it and it's like, yeah, but if she's a good witch, she won't. It was like, well, you could be killing a good witch. You don't know that.

0:18 Lee I mean, admittedly we know that she's doing both halves but it's sort of yeah.

0:18 Adam And um, I've I've sorry, slight distraction. I've just noticed your t-shirt. It's fantastic.

0:18 Lee Oh, thank you very much. For those who can't see, I'm wearing the Bad News Torte t-shirt that my brother got me for Christmas about three years ago. Um, and it is my it is one of my absolute favorite in the house t-shirts. Um, cuz I love wearing it but it has got I saw Bad News fuck up written across the back so I don't wear it out in public very often.

0:18 Lee But yeah.

0:18 Adam Oh.

0:18 Lee But you you so you touched on Edward earlier. Um, yeah, Derek Mears who later went on to be Jason in Friday the 13th.

0:18 Chris Yeah.

0:18 Lee Um.

0:18 Adam Yeah, he's done quite a lot of creature roles, isn't he and stuff like that? Obviously, you know, big lad, you know.

0:19 Lee Yeah.

0:19 Lee Great in this. And again, because I'd never I never put the two together cuz it's such not small roles but So I didn't realize that creepy Bob Mortimer from Dead Snow is also the guide in this. When I saw it this time and having seen him only a month apart, I went, oh shit, yeah, it's him. That's why he's in both films cuz he's come over from Dead Snow.

0:19 Adam Yeah.

0:19 Adam And he's actually he's very good in this. I really thought he was a very good addition. It's a it's again, it's one of those things where there's a few people where you're like, no, you should have you should have kept him around longer.

0:19 Lee He should have had a bigger role. I think he was great.

0:19 Adam But I think the um, and uh, I mean as they go off at the ending what I'm hoping is that Jeremy Renner's with uh Ben, the apprentice lad. And Jeremy Arterton's banging Edward. I think that that would be the they've gone off like as a as a set of couples. I think that'd be really good.

0:20 Lee All right, so like double date and witch hunt.

0:20 Adam Yeah, exactly.

0:20 Lee Yeah, yeah, why not?

0:20 Adam But um, I've got a hobby.

0:20 Adam Well also there was the there was I think how did how did Claire word this? So I get this exactly right.

0:20 Adam Uh, yeah, Hansel discovers there are good witches by accidentally sticking his will in one.

0:20 Lee Yeah.

0:20 Lee Basically, it yeah, that's that's exactly it.

0:20 Lee But I did find that kind of strange. So we so we see him arrive in town, he saves that girl's life. He then spends the whole night in the pub trying to shag anything that moves. And then when one of the hottest women in village comes up and tries it on with him, he suddenly shits his pants.

0:21 Chris He's got he's got intimacy problems.

0:21 Lee I was like, yeah, why are you trying to get rid of her? Last night, you you were desperate for anybody.

0:21 Chris Well, maybe it's when he was a bit embarrassed, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah.

0:21 Lee Yeah, sobriety. Yeah, sobriety. He hates it. He himself. Yeah.

0:21 Adam He's pissed so that he's he's pissed so he thinks he can do it but can't.

0:21 Adam And then in in a sober moment, he's like, oh my god.

0:21 Lee Yeah.

0:21 Adam Suddenly starts going all Frankie Howard and being a bit like oh no dear, don't want to me.

0:21 Lee Yeah, I just yeah, so I think it's I think it's the aesthetic of this film that I really like as you say. I love the I love the sets. I love that steampunk feel about the whole thing.

0:21 Chris Yeah, all works together.

0:21 Adam It looks fucking cold.

0:21 Lee Yeah, yeah, it does.

0:21 Adam You know, that the woods, that's proper woods you're having an adventure in. It doesn't it's not it's not a picnic woods.

0:21 Lee No.

0:21 Adam No. It's not picnic woods or redneck woods, but it is just like, yes, I believe all manner of spectrams and spims are at work in in the between these trunks, you know.

0:22 Lee Yeah, you'll see I hadn't worked that out but you're right. As soon as you see the wood, you go, yeah, it's a fairy tale. Of course it's a fairy tale. It's a fairy tale wood. That's exactly what it looks like. I don't know how I don't know how it differs from any other kind of wood, but that's precisely what it looks like.

0:22 Lee Um, it's well done as well.

0:22 Adam Cuz I could see this weirdly enough. I could also see this double billing with Sleepy Hollow because I think that follows a similar sort of thing because there's sort of steampunky elements in Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow and but also just that the general look of it.

0:22 Adam And I really love the I really love the um title um like the sort of wood cut.

0:22 Chris The intro.

0:22 Lee Yeah.

0:22 Adam Yeah, the animations, yeah, thing. That's great. It was just really fun. Yeah.

0:23 Chris I would quite happily watch like half an hour of that.

0:23 Chris But yeah, like you say I thought the effects were decent enough still.

0:23 Chris Like there's no point that I think.

0:23 Adam Oh, absolutely. This is.

0:23 Adam You know, there is there is no way that this is this is not a poorly made film in any way shape or form.

0:23 Adam You know, because I think everything is topnotch and we know that Tommy Wirkola's, you know, effects work, action work, every, you know, atmosphere.

0:23 Adam I think.

0:23 Adam You know, it's that's all going to be spot on.

0:23 Lee I just think the only thing that that that possibly stopped it being a better film. I get that feeling that it was as you say, so somebody in Hollywood had seen Dead Snow and then said let's get him to make a horror film but for not for horror fans, but just something that's going to hit a large demographic.

0:23 Chris Popularized.

0:24 Lee Yeah.

0:24 Lee So it feels.

0:24 Lee Sorry.

0:24 Lee Yeah to the general public, which um yeah, which I can see why they did it and you know, it it's uh yeah, it it's it is a good I do like it. It is a good film.

0:24 Lee But it is a bit of a guilty pleasure like I you know.

0:24 Lee If someone came around and I was watching this, I would expect them to be like, don't you watch proper horror.

0:24 Adam Yeah.

0:24 Lee Sometimes I want something Darft and fun and this is Darft and fun and shiny.

0:24 Lee Like it it's great.

0:24 Adam But also I think I think it also falls into that category. It is like something like Indiana Jones. You know, where it's I think that the adventure end of this is much more the the sort of point of it.

0:24 Adam It's an action adventure.

0:24 Chris Yeah.

0:24 Adam Which is touches on some horror. It has that, you know, which and but then weirdly enough, I just think that that as a genre, I mean, even I mean Marvel's dying on its ass now really like those that superhero films are beginning to that sort of die out as well.

0:25 Adam But I think that just yeah that sort of family is probably not the right word but you know, that sort of thing where it's just a a knockabout adventure.

0:25 Lee Yeah.

0:25 Adam I just don't think they do it as as often these days.

0:25 Lee No, they don't, which is.

0:25 Lee Which was so surprised when I went to see uh just to drop it in there the new Masters of the Universe movie.

0:25 Adam Oh, yeah.

0:25 Lee That that's exactly what it is.

0:25 Lee It is.

0:25 Lee It's that it's like this like it's it's it's family friendly, like there's nothing in it that's too that you wouldn't show to somebody, you know, 10 12 years old.

0:25 Lee Um, but yeah, it's just it's all our action and it's I mean I went to saw it twice.

0:25 Chris It's actually good, is it?

0:25 Lee I really enjoyed it.

0:25 Lee So I when I'd asked my brother to come with me and he said yes, but he couldn't find a date. And then somebody else asked me to go with him. So I went, oh yeah, I don't know if Ben's going to make it now. So I went and saw it with him. And then ding come back to me and went, oh I can do next weekend. So I was like, you know what, I had a good enough time. I'm definitely going to go and watch it again. So I I saw it twice, yeah.

0:26 Adam Oh, that's amazing.

0:26 Lee No regrets.

0:26 Lee It's really good fun.

0:26 Lee So I think that's that's the takeaway from like the Marvel thing is the superhero element they've totally burned that out by just saturating it.

0:26 Lee But I think the lessons they've learned from that that they're taking back to other old properties like Masters of the Universe, like Mortal Kombat. And I think they're using what they've learned from that to actually reinvigorate other new material, which I think is a really positive thing and it's definitely working so.

0:26 Adam Yeah, cuz I mean I think I think superheroes it's going to be that for the start of this decade is like cowboy movies for the forties and fifties and sixties, you know, it's going to be like, shit, they just made loads of them. What the fuck, you know.

0:27 Adam But I think cuz I think also with this is cuz I think it's that it's not not quite family because obviously there's some swearing, there's some sort of.

0:27 Adam What was it that cuz it came up in um, like cuz I'm I'm watching injury detail was in the the warnings on the thing when I watched it on streaming.

0:27 Adam And it was um, yeah, so it's sort of.

0:27 Adam Yeah, it's it's like but then I think there is that area that always used to be things like Star Wars with the burn bodies. You know, there used to be a thing where it was like, no, that's absolutely fine, show the kids.

0:27 Chris Yeah, yeah.

0:27 Adam Whereas now I think that it's like, you don't show on blood. You don't show on what happens if they get knifed.

0:27 Adam You know, whereas I think that sort of it used to be slightly more robust and you'd have things like sort of, you know, that's fine we can have a soul find someone gets their hand cut off. You know, in this thing that we're going to show six year olds.

0:28 Adam So.

0:28 Lee Those things stuck with you, but they didn't damage us. Like, you know, I mean, if anything, that's probably the reason we're not all having soul fights, right?

0:28 Adam I mean, between that and the bloody, um, we should we should do an episode of those but I think between that and the public information films that used to be. Where it's like, people watch them, you know, people watch them now and go, fucking hell, that's it's like, yeah, but we didn't fucking do it.

0:28 Lee Exactly, yeah.

0:28 Adam You know, we were shit scared. It did exactly what it needed to do. We were shit scared and we didn't do it.

0:28 Lee Absolutely.

0:28 Lee But yeah, I say yeah, as we were saying with this possibly having a I mean if there was a sequel to this, I 100% would have been there on opening night to watch it.

0:28 Chris I'd I'd very happily watch it.

0:29 Adam I think there's I think it weirdly enough cuz it kept cropping up every so often when I was like just searching online is every so often I'd put in put in the title and then it would come up too. And I think it's just one of those things where they've they've been trying to do it.

0:29 Adam But it's just never sort of it's just never ignited and I suppose unlike if this had been like say Ghostbusters. You know, if it had been huge.

0:29 Adam Then that potential could still happen. I mean it's like now I mean to be frank now I'm depressed whenever they say there's a sequel for something that's sort of like 20 years old or whatever cuz I'm like, oh I don't.

0:29 Lee They're doing it now with Goonies, aren't they? They've just announced there's a new Goonies movie.

0:29 Adam Oh, that's what we really need. Middle-aged Goonies, everyone's going to fucking go for that.

0:29 Lee You know what, but the the thing is they're absolutely right. They're going to make their money back on opening weekend cuz I'm going to be there.

0:30 Lee Doesn't matter how shit it is, I'm going to be there and that's that's the thing, isn't it? If you can fool enough people to turn up on opening weekend, it doesn't matter how shit it is. As long as you make your money back in the first three days before word gets out, you can get away with murder.

0:30 Adam Well, it's it's that it's that thing that is there's a trend, I mean it's probably completely different now but there was a trend back when people bought music properly like bought albums and bought singles and stuff like that. Is there was always the thing that every everyone's best-selling album was the album after their best record.

0:30 Lee Yeah.

0:30 Adam So by the time everyone had heard the absolutely fantastic one and then every fucker went out and bought the next one which was probably somewhat shit or like, oh no, they've gone back to that.

0:30 Adam Or yeah, oh dear. Oh no, this is embarrassing. But that would always be the really big fucking record cuz it was the one that came after the the groundbreaker, you know, or the the big hit.

0:31 Lee Yeah.

0:31 Lee Oh yeah, no, definitely. I mean and that's the thing, you know, you you don't get that anymore because of things like Spotify. You know, you listen to it now.

0:31 Lee You're not there like I remember when versus by Pearl Jam came out. I remember being outside HMV waiting for it to open with our friend at school Andrew. Literally because we were like, anything that comes after 10 has got to be great.

0:31 Lee And I think we'd heard maybe one or two tracks from versus. Yeah, so we were there waiting to buy it. That wasn't a disappointment. That was a fucking great album. But yeah, it was that sometimes it works, yeah.

0:31 Lee It could have been.

0:31 Lee It could have been a piece of shit and by they'd have made their money back because everyone was there on opening day to buy it. So even if it was rubbish, it could have been a blank CD.

0:31 Lee They'd have made.

0:31 Lee So much money.

0:31 Lee Off of selling it, they still would have been happy.

0:31 Lee Yeah.

0:31 Lee But yeah, so uh, yeah. So it's too late now.

0:31 Lee I think I would have thought I I was thinking as I say that's what caught me off guard earlier was how old it is cuz part of me was like, they could still do a sequel to this. They could totally still do a sequel to this.

0:32 Adam Yeah, yeah.

0:32 Adam No, no.

0:32 Adam But I think that momentum's gone.

0:32 Lee Yeah, yeah.

0:32 Adam If if there was any there anyway.

0:32 Adam I don't think cuz I don't think it did badly. I don't think it was a flop particularly but I just don't think it was No, it wasn't. It was it moderately, you know, it wasn't sort of like it wasn't that summer's film or whatever, you know, it was just yeah.

0:32 Lee I mean give it to Guillermo del Toro or Robert Eggers or somebody and you know, it you know, a real.

0:32 Adam Cuz I'm pretty sure that this shares some uh Guillermo del Toro like effects artists and stuff like that.

0:32 Lee Oh really.

0:32 Adam Because but again that feeling really comes through in it. I think it's that sort of yeah, sort of near fairy tale but sort of hard-edged fairy tale.

0:33 Lee And I did like that. Like I liked the fact that you know the idea of a gingerbread house is such a stupid idea but actually they still somehow managed to make it seem vaguely creepy and Yeah, yeah.

0:33 Adam Well, I I think that's one of those things you either you either Robert Eggers it and sort of like, no, we've got or actually more accurately, we Christopher Nolan it and we rationalize it and make it how it could be, even though you're still talking about, you know, magical creatures or whatever. Or you just go hog and go, yeah, it's a fucking gingerbread house, get on with it.

0:33 Adam You know, it's made of sweets, you can eat it. Crack on.

0:33 Adam I think actually cuz this is obviously our this is actually our second film based on Hansel and Gretel and I think yeah, Gretel and Hansel as well.

0:33 Lee Yeah, yeah.

0:33 Adam I think was such a fucking great film. Utterly different in a totally different vein to this, you know, because this is this is the what if this is the what happened to them when they grew up? And they went off and became monster hunters basically, you know, so.

0:34 Lee Yeah, where Gretel and Hansel was just that's the story that we're going to make it so dark and so horrible. But still I mean what a stunning film.

0:34 Lee But yeah, so uh, yeah, so to wrap up this is great fun.

0:34 Lee Don't go in expecting something that's going to hit your top ten moving forward.

0:34 Lee But again.

0:34 Lee As we said, if you like.

0:34 Lee Uh, Sleepy Hollow the Tim Burton one and if you like.

0:34 Lee Um, Van Helsing.

0:34 Chris Van Helsing.

0:34 Lee Van Helsing.

0:34 Lee Yeah.

0:34 Chris Are we gonna are we gonna do that? when we're gonna do that?

0:34 Adam We'll have to do that at some point.

0:34 Adam I think further to our conversation, they did make figures. Van Helsing had action figures.

0:34 Lee Oh, did they.

0:34 Lee Oh, So yeah, that's but that's something we'll revisit when we go to Van Helsing.

0:35 Lee Do you know what, I would track them down, but I'm guessing they sold so badly that they're probably worth a fortune and most of them.

0:35 Adam I reckon that'll be one of those ones that goes one or two ways. You can either pick up the lot for a fiver or it's like, you know, Dracula's dog is a couple of grand, you know.

0:35 Lee Oh.

0:35 Lee Right.

0:35 Lee So we're going to return in a Fortnite's time for Troll Hunter.

0:35 Adam Hey.

0:35 Lee Um, yeah, again.

0:35 Adam Not not Edward, is it?

0:35 Adam No, different troll.

0:35 Lee I've not seen Troll Hunter since we saw it the first time which literally was the week it was released.

0:35 Lee So I'm very keen to rewatch it cuz I remember really enjoying it but I remember nothing about it whatsoever.

0:35 Lee So I'm I'm yeah, really looking forward to going back and watching it.

0:36 Chris There are trolls in it.

0:36 Adam There are trolls in it and it's.

0:36 Adam I it's it's kind of kind of in the vein of um, uh what we do in the shadows in so much as it's presented as a documentary.

0:36 Adam So it's a crew following a troll hunter around.

0:36 Lee Yeah, it's and again again, it's funny cuz it's called Troll Hunter. There's a picture of a troll on it but the twist of the film is there are trolls.

0:36 Lee But yeah, you kind of know that going in at this point but yeah, great fun.

0:36 Lee So we'll be back in a Fortnite's time for that.

0:36 Lee Um yeah, go and check out this film if it sounds like it's your cup of tea.

0:36 Lee It's good fun. It's daft as fuck. Yeah, have a few beers, switch your brain off and just enjoy it.

0:36 Lee It's very shiny and it's it's a good laugh.

0:36 Lee Right. So thanks ever so much for listening everybody and we'll see you in the Fortnite's time. Good night.

0:36 Chris Good night.

0:36 Adam Good night.