Sightseers

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:28 Adam I'm Adam.

0:30 Lee And we are here this evening with a special guest, which is why my sound quality is slightly crapper than usual.

0:38 Lee I am here with Lady Jennifer.

0:41 Jennifer Woo!

0:42 Adam Hey!

0:44 Lee Because it's someone's birthday choice this week.

0:48 Jennifer It's my birthday choice. Woo!

0:50 Adam Hey, happy birthday!

0:51 Jennifer I, it's always hard because every time it comes 'round, I've watched a lot more films and I'm running out of things.

0:58 Jennifer But I hoped when I suggested this, it wasn't one you'd done before and I was correct. So it's Sightseers, a film by Ben Wheatley, probably a little bit under-undernown perhaps. I mean, one of his earlier ones, but I feel it's got a good balance of things that I like.

1:58 Lee There will be spoilers and swearing.

2:01 Adam It should be better remembered. That's the best way of looking at it.

2:05 Jennifer Oh, definitely. Definitely, yes.

2:07 Chris Yeah.

2:08 Adam Right.

2:10 Lee Yes, so I know obviously that Jennifer loves this film and therefore has chosen it.

2:15 Lee I know that Adam has seen it many times, he was there with us opening weekend at the cinema when it was released.

2:21 Lee Chris?

2:22 Adam I even saw it as a preview.

2:23 Lee Oh!

2:25 Adam With with a Q&A from Ben Wheatley and Alice Lowe and Steve Oram.

2:30 Lee Nice.

2:32 Chris I was in, I was in at the, I was in at the deep end, I was.

2:35 Jennifer I thought it was cool, Adam. I thought it was cool.

2:38 Adam Of course.

2:39 Lee Yeah.

2:40 Lee So obviously with the Stephen Oram and Alice Lowe starring in this, but also wrote it.

2:46 Adam

2:47 Lee Yeah. And I mean, if you've got something this wrong like like wrong as in it's horrendous, but it's brilliant, he's the person to direct this every time.

2:58 Lee I think it's a perfect choice.

3:00 Jennifer I just read this bit as well, I didn't know that.

3:02 Lee What's that, sorry?

3:03 Jennifer Executive producer Edgar Wright.

3:05 Adam Yep.

3:06 Chris Oh.

3:07 Jennifer Well, I mean, this film ticks all the boxes.

3:09 Adam Yep.

3:10 Jennifer Yeah.

3:11 Lee So, Chris, was this your first time seeing this or had you seen it before?

3:14 Chris It was. I've heard it mentioned many times and in ways that sounded like I should definitely be watching it very soon. However, until now it had not happened.

3:25 Jennifer

3:25 Lee So what did you make of it on your first viewing?

3:28 Chris Well, I have no objection to this film in theory, or in practice.

3:32 Jennifer No.

3:33 Chris I will certainly be having a very different experience anytime I now hear the Power of Love.

3:37 Jennifer Yes.

3:38 Chris Oh.

3:38 Jennifer Oh.

3:38 Chris Oh.

3:39 Jennifer Oh.

3:39 Chris Oh.

3:39 Adam Yes.

3:40 Jennifer Or getting a caravan holiday.

3:42 Chris And and I will appreciate caravan holidays in in a way never before expected.

3:46 Chris Yeah, like so I just got to the end of it about 10 minutes before we started recording.

3:51 Chris And yeah, it is it is quite I didn't see where it was going.

3:54 Chris Even up to the very end.

3:58 Adam

3:58 Chris And and like how, I like how mundane and twisted.

4:09 Jennifer Yes.

4:10 Chris It's a very impressive combination.

4:12 Jennifer And this is why I think I love it, because I think they're my sort of films, ones that are so that that juxtaposition between something and something completely different.

4:17 Chris It really is.

4:18 Jennifer And that just works when it works, yeah.

4:23 Adam Yeah.

4:23 Lee Yeah.

4:24 Adam And I think

4:24 Lee Sorry, go on, Adam.

4:25 Adam I was I was just going to say and I think it's it's that thing like you said, Lee, where you've got Stephen Oram and Alice Lowe had created these characters.

4:32 Adam But also, you know, there's a real there's definitely a psychological sort of truth to sort of one being a murderer, one becoming a murderer.

4:41 Adam And also you've got.

4:41 Chris And more.

4:42 Adam And and you've got Ben Wheatley who just is so good at making things really horrible.

4:51 Lee Yeah.

4:52 Adam And, you know, I mean, obviously, I love we did it yonks ago for my birthday, we did Kill List, which I know is is a bit of a struggle for people.

5:00 Adam But then I think that's because it's the same techniques but used in an absolutely terrifying manner rather than in a comedic sense.

5:08 Chris Like yeah, there's a quirky element to this even in the worst parts that still make it.

5:13 Adam Yes.

5:13 Lee Yeah, it's.

5:14 Jennifer It's fine.

5:14 Lee It's it's that thing of I watched I laugh the whole time I'm watching it, but I'm also clenching my anus because it is so awkward for the entire movie.

5:21 Lee And to have the.

5:21 Adam Yeah.

5:22 Lee Feeling both moods at exactly the same time.

5:25 Lee Is really difficult to pull off.

5:28 Lee But just everything lines in this, it's just I I think their timing.

5:31 Lee As well is so so perfect.

5:32 Chris Yeah.

5:34 Lee And the characters are so, as you say, mundane and believable.

5:39 Chris Yeah.

5:39 Lee Do the most horrendous things.

5:41 Jennifer So that's what's so scary, isn't it?

5:44 Lee Yeah.

5:44 Jennifer How many people?

5:45 Chris It does feel like the most realistic death scenes almost ever in any film.

5:48 Jennifer Yeah.

5:49 Chris Just yeah.

5:52 Chris The way she runs into that guy on the bike.

5:55 Adam Oh, yeah.

5:56 Chris What you doing? This is this is chaotic.

5:57 Chris This is not.

6:00 Adam It's that as well, where it's still over a domestic. It's still a domestic ground.

6:02 Chris over the dead.

6:04 Lee Yeah.

6:04 Chris Yeah, exactly.

6:06 Adam But it's.

6:06 Chris Yeah.

6:07 Adam It's over it's over a corpse rather than, you know, like you've put someone's ornaments in the wrong position or you've put the saucepans back wrong or something like that.

6:16 Adam But it's still that.

6:20 Jennifer Yeah, that mundane sort of arguing, but yes, on something much larger.

6:25 Adam Well, this was obviously when I watched it, it was the first time Claire's ever seen it and she really loved the fact that he's cleaning it up with a bit of kitchen roll.

6:35 Lee Yeah, that's what got me this time.

6:37 Lee Yeah.

6:37 Adam You know, and it's just like those little touches and there's sort of bits in there.

6:40 Adam Like I know it sounds really weird, but like Tina's slippers.

6:45 Adam Where she's got like proper old lady slippers, she's got like.

6:49 Chris Yeah.

6:50 Jennifer Oh, that purple.

6:52 Adam Just even stuff like that, you know.

6:55 Adam And and the the mum's terrific as well.

6:57 Adam She is.

6:59 Chris Especially when they come back to her with the phone call.

7:02 Lee Yes.

7:02 Adam Yes.

7:03 Chris I wasn't I wasn't expecting.

7:05 Jennifer No.

7:06 Adam When you've got two brutal murderers and she still feels like the monstrous.

7:14 Chris Most monstrous.

7:15 Adam Figure in it, you know.

7:17 Jennifer That's it.

7:18 Adam Fucking ass hole.

7:20 Lee It is it's just that great scene of her laying at the bottom of the stairs doing the emergency dial.

7:25 Lee And then nobody answers, she just gets up and brushes herself off and goes about her day.

7:30 Adam Yeah.

7:32 Adam And again, it's that horrific thing where you're like, oh, I do I probably do know these people.

7:37 Adam You know, I do know people who would do that or, you know.

7:40 Chris Not not that far away from going over that the edge.

7:44 Lee Yeah.

7:45 Chris In the right circumstances.

7:48 Jennifer

7:50 Adam Well, they, I mean, this this started off that because Alice Lowe and Steve Oram used to do Chris and Tina as a as characters live on stage.

8:01 Chris Okay.

8:01 Adam And basically they'd come out in like cagouls with with a packed lunch and sort of talk about all the castles they'd been to and various tourist attractions they'd been to.

8:14 Adam And then slowly it would reveal that they were murdering people, because it'd just be like, you know, like kind of, oh, that's a good lay by to to hide a body if you need to.

8:24 Adam You know, that sort of thing, you know, after they've gone on about the Tram Museum or whatever like that, you know, so.

8:32 Adam And then the guy who directed the guy who directed The Mighty Boosh, Paul King, made a short film with them of this and they were sort of putting it to, excuse me, they were putting it 'round to TV companies.

8:53 Adam And all the TV companies were like, no, this is too dark, we can't do this.

8:56 Jennifer Brilliant.

8:56 Adam As a, you know, this isn't a series we want to do.

9:00 Adam And then Edgar Wright saw the short and sent it to the production company that did the the Cornetto Trilogy.

9:09 Adam I mean, which which admittedly was only Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz at this point, because this is 2012.

9:15 Lee Yeah.

9:16 Adam This this came out.

9:18 Adam And yeah, Big Top Productions.

9:21 Adam And then they sort of hooked them up with Ben Wheatley.

9:24 Jennifer

9:25 Adam And at this point Ben Wheatley was at the point that they sort of met, Ben Wheatley was just about to release Kill List.

9:33 Adam But he had done another film, which I would say I definitely I definitely recommend tracking down, there's his first film is called Down Terrace.

9:41 Adam And it's basically the story of like a London crime family, like there's two he's basically like two generations living in the same house.

9:51 Adam And they're like they're like in their sort of like gangsters and they've worked out that the reason that the son and father got sent to cult was that there must be a rat in the organization.

10:05 Adam And it's them trying to work that out, but again it's that really sort of mundane.

10:13 Adam Kitchen sink, they're just in a in a terraced house in London.

10:19 Adam And getting on each other's tits and arguing.

10:22 Adam And people are fucking rubbish and, you know, there's a bit.

10:27 Adam There's a bit Tony Way, who's in this, who's the guy who gets killed at the Tram Museum, Dan Dan's dad, as Ben Wheatley will always forever know him.

10:37 Lee Yeah.

10:38 Adam Yeah.

10:38 Adam Yeah.

10:38 Adam Dan's dad.

10:39 Lee Yeah.

10:41 Adam But he at like at one point they think he's the rat. They've got him locked in but Michael Smiley turns up as a local hitman and they've got him locked in the toilet.

10:53 Adam And he's just going, I ain't coming out till he's going, no, he ain't here, mate.

10:56 Lee He's not here.

10:57 Adam He's all right. He's gone. I can fucking hear him, he's out there.

11:00 Adam I know he's out there.

11:01 Adam And it's just that sort of like comedically pathetic sort of thing, but still, you know, and yeah, Down Terrace, I'd definitely recommend.

11:08 Adam It's much more unlike Kill List, which is a very sort of.

11:13 Adam I mean, I still find lots of funny bits in Kill List, but it's a very.

11:19 Lee I mean, I do too.

11:20 Adam Yeah, it's but it's still a very.

11:22 Chris Oh, that is interesting.

11:23 Chris I do not remember any funny bits in it now.

11:27 Adam I mean, it's it's mainly just the stuff where Michael Smiley's winding him up and going, well, you know, you're hoping that Jeremy Beadle's going to come out, but he's he's not going to help you, he's dead.

11:36 Chris And it's.

11:37 Lee Speaking of Michael Smiley as well with Ben Wheatley.

11:40 Lee So we tried to squeeze a film in before this, another Ben Wheatley one that we hadn't seen and we didn't quite manage it, there's 10 minutes left, but we're watching Free Fire.

11:51 Adam Oh, man, yeah.

11:53 Lee

11:53 Adam Again.

11:54 Lee It's it's funny because we paused it about 40 minutes in and I was like, this isn't even halfway through.

12:00 Lee Where can it possibly go from there?

12:03 Lee And the answer is it doesn't really go anywhere, but it is thoroughly entertaining and edge of your seat for an hour and 30 minutes in a single room.

12:12 Adam And still and and again, piss funny.

12:15 Lee Yeah.

12:16 Adam It shouldn't be, because it's basically a shootout in a warehouse.

12:20 Jennifer Yeah, when I read the blur for it, I was like, how is this going to be a whole film, but yeah.

12:25 Adam But it just, yeah.

12:27 Adam And I mean, and, you know, definitely Ben Wheatley brought because the other thing that Ben Wheatley brought to it is when they were developing it is that he was the one who said, can we.

12:36 Adam Because originally like the characters as they were, they were a couple who'd been killing for years.

12:42 Lee Right.

12:42 Adam So he was the one who said, well, can we make it like an origin story almost, you know, where it's like how they met and how they got together?

12:50 Lee Yeah.

12:51 Adam So that came from him.

12:54 Adam and actually Alice Lowe and Steve Oram went on a caravan holiday.

13:00 Adam And went to all the places that they go to in it over the course of a week.

13:05 Adam To sort of get the experience of living in close quarters and getting on each other's tits and just.

13:11 Chris Well, and it was filmed in they were in the locations.

13:15 Adam Yes.

13:15 Adam So they go, yeah, so the places they go to because they go to like Mother Shipton's Cave and Blue John Cavern.

13:21 Chris I've been to Blue John Cavern.

13:23 Adam Have you?

13:23 Chris That's the only that's the only one, yeah.

13:25 Adam Oh, right, quite quite nice, quite nice to see that.

13:28 Jennifer We were last we didn't go into the pencil museum.

13:31 Lee Yes.

13:31 Chris

13:32 Lee It's fine when I could buy one of them giant.

13:34 Lee And again, it's her writing the letter with that giant pencil, it's just

13:39 Lee It gets me every time.

13:41 Adam I don't want to break your heart, Lee, because it broke Claire's.

13:45 Jennifer Oh, the dad?

13:46 Adam They don't make they don't that giant pencil was something they made for the film.

13:48 Lee They don't.

13:50 Lee The big scrible, oh, no.

13:53 Jennifer You can get on eBay, Lee, you'll find it.

13:55 Adam The the only reason I know that is because like I say, I went to the Q&A and they were talking about it.

14:00 Adam And apparently they were like, the thing that impressed Ben Wheatley the most was that they'd used a baked bean can as the pencil eraser metal bit.

14:09 Lee Oh.

14:10 Adam He's just like, that's the he was like, that's the genius of our props people.

14:15 Adam You know what I mean?

14:18 Adam They'd looked at that and just gone, that is exactly right, if we spray this gold, you know, it's exactly right as a pencil giant pencil like a razor holder.

14:28 Adam But I think that's another thing as well that they were saying about with it is that they were kind of they it was important that they didn't they don't take the piss out of the places.

14:38 Jennifer

14:38 Adam

14:38 Jennifer

14:39 Adam Do you know what I mean?

14:41 Adam They go to these places, but they're not it's not oh, look, isn't it funny that you go to the Tram Museum or you go to.

14:45 Jennifer They they're serious, they're just doing it because they want to do it and yeah.

14:50 Lee And I was on his side for that first murder.

14:53 Lee When the bloke dropped the Cornetto wrapper and then he ran him over with a caravan, I was like, yeah, he had that coming.

14:58 Lee 100%.

14:59 Jennifer They've done that, don't they? So you almost are on their side.

15:03 Chris But was.

15:05 Chris Was that one accidental though?

15:07 Lee No.

15:07 Jennifer No.

15:07 Chris Because it wasn't. See, I wasn't sure.

15:09 Adam When he says to him about it, he gives him an out, he says, sorry, I'm defending a murderer, but he gives him an out, he says, sorry, mate, you've dropped your wrapper.

15:18 Adam He ignores him.

15:19 Adam He says it again.

15:20 Adam And then he gives him the finger and quite.

15:24 Adam Not necessarily rightly, he then gets run over by a.

15:27 Chris He reversed.

15:28 Chris I just wondered, did he actually not, was he not able to see him there?

15:32 Chris And then but then you see the look on his face over Tina's shoulder and it's like he's clearly very happy it's happened.

15:38 Chris But I just I wasn't sure if that one was definitely he knew he was doing it.

15:43 Chris I didn't rewind it to check.

15:45 Jennifer And I guess that's the point of the start, you are just like, oh, that was a terrible accident. Yeah.

15:52 Chris Yeah.

15:53 Jennifer That you kind of go, oh, hang on a minute.

15:55 Jennifer He seems to be good at this.

15:56 Adam And and that's that's clearly the thing.

15:58 Adam He's obviously been doing it for some time, but he's.

16:01 Chris Well, he says, he says, I've done more murders in three days than I have in the six months I've been with them.

16:05 Adam Yeah.

16:06 Adam And it's but it's clear that that's part of the argument is because he's like careful.

16:12 Chris Yeah, exactly.

16:13 Adam Whereas Tina isn't Tina's enthusiastic.

16:17 Lee Yes.

16:18 Adam And that's the thing as well.

16:19 Chris She's not qualified.

16:20 Adam Oh, yeah, that you're sacked.

16:22 Lee You know.

16:25 Adam But it's but it's also that thing that and again, it's it's quite, you know, I mean, I remember like the first time I saw it, I just found I found Tina heartbreaking.

16:33 Adam Because there's the element that she's it's.

16:38 Adam Kind of that thing of you meet someone.

16:40 Adam So you want to share in all their interests.

16:42 Lee Yeah.

16:43 Lee Yeah.

16:43 Lee Yeah.

16:44 Adam And his interest is murder.

16:46 Chris Happens.

16:48 Adam And so she sort of like stumbling through and trying to do it, but not quite getting it right.

16:54 Adam And actually it's like a bit awkward.

16:57 Adam That it's like, no, you're not doing it right.

16:58 Adam You know what I mean?

17:00 Adam It's like she's, I don't know, it's like someone's like trying to chip in on, you know, something that you know a lot about or whatever.

17:09 Adam And they've sort of like they're sort of like trying to find their way in and sort of.

17:13 Adam No, we can share this.

17:14 Adam This can be our thing.

17:16 Lee Yeah.

17:17 Lee Yeah.

17:17 Lee Yeah.

17:20 Lee Yeah, it is there is something very sweet about it at the beginning.

17:23 Chris Oh, yeah.

17:23 Lee Yeah, yeah.

17:24 Lee And that's why it comes so far out of left field and I'm guessing that's possibly why it's.

17:28 Lee Why it's it hasn't found the audience that it should have done because it is tonally very like if you didn't know them and you didn't know Ben Wheatley.

17:39 Lee This wouldn't jump out at you at all.

17:41 Jennifer Yeah, you took it too serious, you wouldn't get the jokes perhaps.

17:43 Lee Well, until you get.

17:43 Lee Far enough into it, but yeah.

17:46 Lee and again, the fact they don't give too much away in the the cover art and stuff as well.

17:50 Lee I guess maybe if you weren't aware of them and like us and were hunting it out specifically their material.

17:56 Lee Yeah, it isn't something that jump off of the DVD shelf.

18:01 Chris Yeah.

18:03 Lee But yeah.

18:04 Adam Because that was the thing is I think I I was aware of it mostly through Alice Lowe.

18:10 Adam And then it was like, oh, and Ben Wheatley's doing it.

18:13 Adam Well, I like Kill List.

18:14 Adam And at that point I was sort of discovering Ben Wheatley.

18:16 Adam So it was like, oh, that's, you know, definitely I'll have to sort of check that out.

18:21 Adam And then it was, yeah, as it went on.

18:24 Adam Because.

18:26 Adam I'll have to I'll have to I'll have to put it on the I'll have to put it on the Instagram or something.

18:35 Adam when I did go to the the screening, they're giving out little.

18:42 Lee We got little.

18:43 Jennifer Oh.

18:43 Lee What do you call it?

18:44 Lee Gunk.

18:44 Jennifer

18:44 Adam A little sightseer sort of gunk fluffy thing, you know, those things that you get at like the stuff that she's gradually collecting on the dashboard.

18:50 Chris Yeah.

18:51 Adam Which and obviously the first one is the one that Tony Way's holding when he gets run over right at the start.

19:00 Adam And she's obviously had that, so there's already that sort of inkling there.

19:07 Lee Yes.

19:08 Adam Yes.

19:08 Jennifer And then they're taking from their murders and keeping them.

19:10 Lee That's exactly it.

19:10 Lee The first time I've seen a gunk in probably 20 years.

19:13 Lee Yeah, so I love that they've brought that back because it is a caravanning horror holiday type nonsense that you'd pick up somewhere for someone.

19:20 Jennifer Pencil museum.

19:21 Adam Yeah, it's that sort of tourist sort of, you know, you don't it's either that it's either that I mean fridge magnets are much much more of a thing now, I think.

19:28 Jennifer They clas They're not quite that. No.

19:32 Adam But, I mean, I remember everyone always used to get me keyrings because I used to collect keyrings when I was a kid because I was such a fucking exciting, vibrantly fucking roguish, you know, devil-may-care chap.

19:44 Lee Yeah.

19:44 Adam Yeah.

19:45 Adam Yeah.

19:45 Adam Tits.

19:46 Adam So, you know, so I had key keyrings from sort of all over the place because people had sort of like if they went or if I went anywhere, I was, oh, I will take a keyring.

19:56 Adam If they like a keyring, man.

19:58 Adam You know, so like I say, because I was like a pussy magnet when I was 12.

20:05 Adam So.

20:06 Jennifer So is that what you thought keyrings would do?

20:08 Jennifer They would just bring all the women to the yard.

20:09 Adam They bring my keyrings brought all the girls to the yard to mock and decide to never go out with me.

20:18 Adam That's what it did.

20:19 Adam Which admittedly, Kelleis then turned into a much more interesting song.

20:22 Adam So, you know, it's a cover that I I respect and, you know, I'm still enjoying the royalties from it, so.

20:28 Adam It's yeah.

20:31 Jennifer So Chris, what was your best moment of the film and kind of least favorite moment of the film?

20:38 Chris Oh, that's a good question.

20:39 Chris Well, there are some that I now understand the references of, such as that's not my.

20:46 Lee Regularly saying that's not my vagina.

20:48 Lee Yeah.

20:49 Chris Yeah, no, no.

20:50 Chris That makes a lot of sense.

20:52 Jennifer Yeah.

20:53 Chris And and like it's so funny and he's just taking his camera and he's just like, I'm just carry on.

20:57 Jennifer Stolen.

20:57 Chris Taking photos and using it.

20:59 Chris And then she just she's looking through it and he's like, he's just letting her, but you know.

21:02 Adam But that's that's so and and that's one of those things that's like.

21:05 Adam Creepily right for like with sort of someone like that character like not you, Chris, but Chris in Sightseers is the fact that it then he sort of adopts from all these people that he's meeting.

21:19 Adam So it's like he's taken his camera and suddenly he's a photographer.

21:22 Chris Yeah.

21:24 Adam Or or the bit where the guy takes him home drunk and he says, oh, good luck with the lay lines, because he and who he killed said he was doing a book about lay lines.

21:32 Lee Yes.

21:32 Adam So that's obviously where he's now that it's like, oh, that's what I do now.

21:37 Adam Yeah, I'm doing that.

21:38 Chris And then, of course, plastics.

21:39 Chris Although he was, was he, did he know anything about plastics, or was he pretending that as well?

21:45 Adam Not sure, but he obviously built himself up that he could be a businessman.

21:49 Chris Yeah.

21:49 Chris Oh, all of a sudden it's like, yeah, it's going international.

21:54 Lee Yeah.

21:55 Jennifer Yeah, weird.

21:56 Jennifer So was that your favorite moment, the camera?

21:58 Chris Well, well, because because I'd heard it referenced so many times, it's like, oh, there we go, it's satisfying to to see it explained.

22:05 Chris and then and then I you I think you said what was one of my worst moments.

22:10 Chris I wasn't on board with allowing the dog poo.

22:14 Chris So I was a bit like, they're the bad ones.

22:16 Chris I mean, they're they are the bad ones, right?

22:17 Chris But I was like, yeah, I sort of agree with this guy.

22:19 Chris Saying you should pick it up, not, I don't know if he did.

22:21 Chris Actually, so you should use your hands, she was certainly starting to twist things a little bit.

22:25 Chris And I was like, I sort of feel sorry for this guy, it's obviously not going to go his way.

22:29 Chris And then it was quite funny, what was it, he's not a person, he's a Daily Mail reader, I'm grabbing some free perspective and, you know.

22:38 Lee Yeah.

22:38 Chris Looking back at if this was however many years ago.

22:42 Chris I would have had to just stand by and allow him to do whatever he wanted to you.

22:46 Chris So now we're we're rising up thanks to democracy.

22:48 Adam Yes.

22:49 Adam So technically, you were defending my honor.

22:52 Adam You know that thing where she starts she starts joining in the escalation where he's like, I don't touch shit, well, I can't remember, you know.

22:52 Chris Yeah.

23:00 Adam And they sort of start forming that unified front.

23:03 Adam And then obviously clubs him to death, which is one of the most fucking brutal.

23:06 Chris Pretty blunt.

23:06 Lee Yeah.

23:07 Lee You see that head, the head is really vicious.

23:11 Adam That's that's very that's very Ben Wheatley.

23:13 Adam That is.

23:13 Adam And it's and actually that's that again, that was one of the things because Ben Wheatley was so pleased that he got to work with John Hurt because he called him they he had to get him in especially to record the version of Jerusalem that's over that bit where it's like and do those feet.

23:25 Lee Oh.

23:26 Lee Yeah.

23:27 Adam That's.

23:29 Adam But and then, you know.

23:32 Adam And I think Ben Wheatley was just like, fuck it, I got to work with fucking John Hurt.

23:36 Adam That's what I was fucking.

23:37 Lee Yeah.

23:39 Adam Which which again.

23:40 Adam Was sort of like.

23:40 Adam But yeah, I think there's and and actually, I mean, it's.

23:44 Adam There's not a lot of characters in it, really.

23:48 Adam There's a lot of people who get bumped off.

23:49 Adam There's and it's interesting.

23:50 Adam Because there's like the guy that sort of drives him home pissed, he's nice.

23:56 Adam So nothing happens to him.

23:58 Adam And again, you know, it's not like littering, oh, yeah, run a car over his head is.

24:03 Chris Yeah.

24:03 Adam The proportionate response, you know what I mean?

24:07 Adam But.

24:07 Adam Equally.

24:08 Chris Yeah.

24:08 Adam There's like this.

24:09 Chris It's what might have gone through some people's minds on occasion.

24:13 Adam But I mean, I think poor, Richard Glover's character, is it Martin?

24:22 Chris Martin.

24:22 Adam So that's.

24:22 Chris Oh, I was going to be Martin.

24:23 Adam Next.

24:24 Chris Yeah, yeah.

24:25 Chris Because he's nice as well.

24:26 Chris And this is where the whole thing with Tina, it's like, yeah, she is different now from Chris.

24:33 Chris She is no longer doing it for any good reasons.

24:36 Jennifer Yeah, no more like, no.

24:38 Jennifer She likes him.

24:40 Chris Yeah.

24:41 Adam But that's the thing is you you do get the idea that eventually Chris will, Chris would probably tire of him, or there would be.

24:52 Chris Possibly.

24:54 Adam Or that it would be if he in some way made Chris feel small, like if it, you know what I mean, if they were like saying it's like, well, actually, no, I don't think it should be that idea, that's probably the point Chris would have just snapped and fucking bumped him off, but he wouldn't just chugging him off.

25:07 Chris That that was okay.

25:10 Chris It was the way it was just tumbling down.

25:12 Lee Yeah.

25:13 Lee I I'd forgotten it until she went outside and then I was like, oh, what's gonna happen?

25:23 Chris Yeah.

25:28 Chris Lift up the break and just.

25:30 Lee I mean, I'd completely forgotten the ending.

25:32 Lee I can I can never I've seen this film three or four times, I can never remember how it ends.

25:38 Lee Yeah, and so when you saw the bridge and Jennifer said, I can't remember which stays and which goes, and I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about.

25:45 Lee This was for me for the first time.

25:46 Chris Yeah, that's funny.

25:48 Lee Some bits really stick in my mind and that never does, which is nice, because it means every time I watch it, I go, oh, yeah.

25:55 Chris Yeah, that was a nice wrist at the end. Again, showing the difference between them at that point.

26:01 Adam And actually I do remember that was one one of the things that came up at the Q&A is someone said, you know, will there be a sequel?

26:08 Adam And Ben Wheatley went, well, how?

26:12 Adam And then Alice but then Alice Lowe and Steve Oram were going, no, you could still do it, he could have survived, maybe I'm bringing her up from prison like I'm paraplegic.

26:19 Adam In a like in on life support, ring her up saying, go and kill another one.

26:23 Jennifer Can you come back as a ghost and then we can.

26:26 Lee Yeah.

26:27 Lee Yeah.

26:27 Lee Yes.

26:27 Lee No less ludicrous, to be fair.

26:30 Lee I mean, they could make that work.

26:30 Lee I would I mean, I would see it.

26:33 Jennifer

26:35 Adam Also, you'll be very pleased to hear this this film won quite a few awards at festivals and stuff like that.

26:39 Adam But, I didn't know about this.

26:40 Adam You know the you know the Cannes Film Festival and the winner of the Cannes Film Festival gets the Palm d'Or.

26:45 Adam There is also an award at the Cannes Film Festival, the the Palm Dog.

26:51 Jennifer Okay.

26:52 Adam And the dogs that played Poppy and Banjo won that year.

26:56 Chris

26:56 Adam They won the Palm Dog.

26:59 Adam Awarded for performance by a K9 or group of K9s live or animated.

27:05 Jennifer

27:06 Adam So yes, so they did which I which I think's very good.

27:09 Adam Because they are great.

27:10 Chris Yeah.

27:11 Adam Great great dog acting in this.

27:13 Adam It has to be said.

27:15 Adam I mean, everyone's really great in this, but yeah, there's some particularly great dog acting, I think.

27:19 Adam

27:20 Adam It's also it's also weird that we've done this so close to Hot Fuzz and like Worlds End.

27:26 Adam Because obviously Steve Oram's in there, Alice Lowe's in there but not as major a role in this.

27:30 Adam and Jonathan Harris, who plays Ian was is really blinking, you miss him, he's in The World's End.

27:37 Adam He's like, he's the group therapist that they're like at the start where Gary's in the therapy meeting.

27:44 Lee That's right.

27:44 Adam And he's like the leader of the group.

27:46 Lee Yeah.

27:46 Adam So, yeah.

27:47 Adam But.

27:48 Adam No, I mean, it's it's and musically because that was.

27:52 Adam I did ask a question at the Q&A.

27:54 Adam I asked about the music.

27:55 Adam Because and basically because there was.

27:58 Adam I just really liked the fucking soundtrack.

28:00 Adam And there's a lot of covers in it.

28:02 Adam So you get like two versions of Season of the Witch.

28:04 Lee I like that.

28:04 Adam You get the original you get the original version of Tainted Love at the end and the Soft Cell version at the beginning and stuff like that.

28:04 Chris Tainted Love, yeah.

28:11 Adam And that was like and basically Ben Wheatley was saying that it was like a thematic thing of again, like Tina trying to take on Chris's world.

28:19 Adam So it's like almost that thing of you start covering like each other's taste and things like that, so you've got these like you've got the same songs but totally different interpretations of them in there as well.

28:29 Chris Yeah.

28:30 Adam And there's also there's also a shedload of crowd rock in there.

28:32 Adam Which is fucking magical.

28:34 Adam So.

28:36 Jennifer Now, what would we.

28:37 Jennifer Call this film, because I put when I was watching this at the top, question, is it folk horror?

28:41 Jennifer I feel like it's got elements of it.

28:44 Jennifer Or is it not quite because it's not quite a sort of story, you know, like a sort of folk tale perhaps.

28:51 Jennifer I don't know.

28:52 Adam I don't.

28:52 Jennifer But it's very British, I felt.

28:55 Chris Quaint British serial killer.

28:57 Jennifer Yeah, there's not.

28:58 Adam I think that's great.

28:59 Chris No.

29:00 Adam Yeah, I think that's a great way of putting it.

29:03 Chris Doesn't exist, but you know.

29:05 Adam Because folk horror tends to be, I mean, it doesn't have to be, but it tends to be sort of supernatural or it's something that's coming from the land, but this is this is almost like them coming in and spoiling these places.

29:03 Chris appears to be.

29:16 Jennifer Yeah.

29:17 Adam That's the thing that makes me laugh.

29:18 Adam Chris keeps saying.

29:20 Adam Oh, he's ruined that for me now.

29:21 Lee Yeah.

29:21 Adam Yeah.

29:22 Adam Oh, he's ruined the Tram Museum for me now.

29:25 Jennifer Oh.

29:26 Adam You know.

29:26 Adam Yeah, by littering not by you killing him, that's what and like when he says, oh, you've ruined that restaurant for me now.

29:36 Adam Because you killed the bride outside it and the stuff like that, it's almost that, you know, it's it's them going and fucking up.

29:40 Jennifer Do they keep it tidy out there?

29:42 Jennifer You know.

29:43 Jennifer Like the littering.

29:45 Adam Yep.

29:45 Jennifer But yeah.

29:46 Jennifer I don't know, it just felt that sort of I suppose where you think everything is fine and normal and then it isn't.

29:51 Adam Yeah.

29:51 Jennifer She's often had that.

29:53 Adam Well, it's definitely that landscape thing.

29:54 Adam It definitely draws from the landscape.

29:57 Adam And you've got bits like the dream sequence and and actually that bit where when he kills Ian.

30:04 Adam Where you've got like all the shaman stuff going on and you've got the version.

30:07 Lee Yeah.

30:07 Adam Of the which going on and stuff.

30:09 Adam That's very where it's like, you know, you and and again, that's something.

30:13 Adam That's something that Ben Wheatley does very well.

30:17 Adam I mean, if you like A Field in England.

30:19 Adam Has that.

30:21 Adam And actually he did a there's a film he did called In the Earth with Reece Shearsmith, which is really fucking good.

30:27 Adam And that's folk horror, which actually made during they made it during lockdown.

30:32 Adam And it's kind of so that but they made that a sort of benefit of it, so you've only got like there's there's not many people in it basically.

30:39 Adam They just formed a bubble during lockdown and that's how they filmed it.

30:42 Jennifer Nice.

30:42 Lee But yeah, that was definitely one to check because you did watch it and you don't remember it.

30:45 Lee So, yeah.

30:47 Lee But again, it has it's got that same that same very mundane.

30:51 Adam Yeah.

30:53 Lee Everyone's very down to earth and regular, but yeah, in a very strange scenario where everything is off.

30:59 Adam Yeah.

31:00 Lee But off in a almost believable way, which yeah.

31:03 Lee What he's about.

31:04 Adam Oh, I think I think that's the thing as well with this. This this feels like if if someone had told you this was like 10 Rillington Place or something, but this or like Fred and Rose or something like that.

31:12 Adam Like this was an event that had taken place, it would feel like it actually did happen.

31:16 Adam There's nothing unbelievable about it or anything else like that, in fact, it's far too plausible.

31:23 Adam It's, you know, that's half the.

31:25 Adam That's half the disturbing thing about it is just how obvious and sort of like, yeah, you could you could just bump into these people and you wouldn't know.

31:32 Jennifer Yeah.

31:33 Jennifer And they could get away with it if she hadn't sort of gone a bit off the rails, he'd probably get away with his murders.

31:38 Chris Yeah, because it was only once she started doing it that then there was the police reports.

31:42 Jennifer Yeah.

31:42 Jennifer That's it.

31:43 Adam Oh, yeah.

31:44 Adam Where it's what is it? A ginger-faced man and an angry police are looking for a ginger-faced man and an angry woman.

31:49 Jennifer Yes.

31:50 Lee Yeah.

31:50 Jennifer Oh.

31:51 Lee Yeah.

31:54 Lee Oh.

31:55 Lee Yeah, and as we say.

31:56 Lee And there's so many people in this, like we say, like Tony Way and Monica Dolan.

32:00 Lee Like people you recognize from being in so much great British TV and a lot a lot of great comedy stuff as well.

32:06 Lee Yeah, that they just.

32:07 Lee Really pulled everyone together for it.

32:10 Lee I mean, Jonathan Harris as well, who you see in so much stuff in Sherlock and always outstanding.

32:16 Lee But they all have these very small roles, but it's just great to see so many people in it.

32:21 Adam Yeah.

32:22 Adam I mean, and very blinking you miss him, but the the shaman who's beheading the chicken.

32:28 Adam that's do you remember in The Mighty Boosh, they have a false Vince Noir, Lance Dior.

32:34 Lee Oh, okay.

32:34 Adam Yeah.

32:35 Adam Yeah, that's him.

32:37 Adam Tom Meaton.

32:37 Lee Oh.

32:39 Adam And

32:40 Adam Actually, he did a Ben Wheatley produced it, but he did a.

32:45 Adam It's him, it's him and Alice Lowe, and it's like a noir surreal noir occult detective story.

32:51 Adam It's really fucking good.

32:53 Adam but it's directed by and if I'm right here, it's directed by the guy they run over.

33:00 Lee All right.

33:01 Lee Oh.

33:01 Adam Oh.

33:02 Adam Yeah, the cyclist.

33:03 Adam Yeah.

33:04 Adam Oh, hang on, is it the cyclist?

33:05 Adam Yeah.

33:06 Adam I think so, but yes.

33:08 Adam Gareth Gareth Tunley is the, I think he's the cyclist who gets killed.

33:14 Adam And yeah, he's yeah, he's like a director.

33:17 Adam He's done like I say, the Gaul's really good.

33:20 Adam That's worth checking out.

33:21 Adam I'm still I mean, I'm a big Ben Wheatley fan, but I've still not seen The Meg 2.

33:25 Chris

33:26 Adam But.

33:27 Adam I've not seen The Meg 1, so, you know, I'm not sure if I'll be able to catch up on the plot.

33:31 Adam I can't go can't go steaming in on the, you know, on the on the middle part of a trilogy, can you?

33:37 Jennifer No.

33:38 Lee No.

33:41 Lee Oh, yeah.

33:41 Lee So, yeah, I'm not sure what Ben Wheatley's got coming.

33:44 Lee

33:45 Lee At the moment.

33:46 Lee But again, I I think he's he definitely is brilliant.

33:50 Lee But he just manages to make.

33:52 Jennifer You know.

33:54 Lee No.

33:55 Jennifer Yeah, what about that?

33:56 Lee Thanks.

33:57 Lee I'm just.

33:57 Chris Was that Meg 2?

33:58 Lee He's got picture for the Meg on it.

34:00 Lee

34:01 Lee Not your phone.

34:02 Jennifer Have you moved it?

34:03 Lee Yes, of course.

34:04 Adam Oh, of course, yes.

34:06 Lee Jennifer's fear of sharks even in picture form.

34:09 Lee

34:10 Adam Don't broadcast it now.

34:12 Adam People have got something on her.

34:13 Jennifer Oh, everywhere.

34:14 Lee Lucky she down anything.

34:14 Chris Oh, shame.

34:16 Adam He.

34:16 Adam Oh, he did.

34:17 Adam He wrote it down.

34:17 Adam He's back of his.

34:19 Adam School schedule and he's listed his fears on the back of it.

34:22 Lee That's.

34:23 Lee That's.

34:23 Lee That's.

34:23 Lee Yeah.

34:27 Lee

34:28 Lee But yeah, he's one of those directors.

34:30 Lee Some of his stuff I love.

34:31 Lee Some of it I'm not a fan of, but I'll the stuff that that hits for me.

34:34 Lee Is so good.

34:35 Lee That I always have to check out what he's doing regardless.

34:39 Lee Again.

34:40 Lee You know.

34:40 Adam Yeah.

34:41 Lee A bit like.

34:43 Lee What's his name?

34:44 Adam You have it with Night Shayamalan, definitely.

34:46 Lee Yes.

34:46 Adam Where you because you ve really heavily with him, but it's like you either love it or love it.

34:52 Adam But it's you always give him a crack of the whip, yeah.

34:57 Lee Yeah, yeah.

34:58 Lee Absolutely, because when it lands, it really lands.

35:01 Lee So.

35:03 Lee Yes.

35:03 Lee I shall look forward, but yeah, you don't seem to have anything else on IMDb currently in production.

35:08 Adam No, they they're always listing a thing he was meant to do, like a sci-fi thing he was meant to do called Free Shift, but I think they've been talking about that for like years and so I'm not sure if that's going to happen.

35:21 Adam In fact, he did a he did like a comic book that I think is mostly that now.

35:26 Adam Like the ideas that were going to be free shift.

35:28 Adam Because it was going to be like a bit like a sort of like an alien's kind of thing.

35:32 Adam But yeah, I think a lot of that got moved into that.

35:35 Adam

35:36 Adam Although if you want to go back through, do try and seek out The Wrong Door.

35:41 Adam Which was the sketch show he did like long before he did

35:46 Adam Like I think that was pre Down Terrace, actually.

35:49 Adam But yeah, The Wrong Door was like a six-part sketch series and it's got some it's got some really good sketches in that.

35:55 Adam And

35:56 Adam Yeah.

35:57 Adam And at least one episode, Brian Blessed turns up, so, you know.

36:01 Lee Sold.

36:02 Adam So.

36:02 Lee Yeah.

36:02 Adam You know.

36:03 Adam If that's I was going to say, that's a recommendation of itself.

36:06 Lee Nice.

36:06 Jennifer Yeah.

36:07 Lee Yeah.

36:07 Jennifer Nice.

36:07 Lee

36:08 Lee Right, so happy birthday, Lady Jennifer.

36:12 Chris Yeah, happy birthday.

36:14 Adam Happy birthday.

36:15 Adam Great choice.

36:15 Lee Thank you everybody for listening, go and check out Sightseers, go and check out all of Ben Wheatley's stuff.

36:22 Jennifer All of Alice Lowe's stuff.

36:23 Lee Oh, yeah, and Stephen Oram's stuff.

36:25 Lee Like, yeah, if there's anything out there.

36:27 Lee Missing from.

36:28 Adam Alice.

36:28 Adam Alice Lowe has just had.

36:29 Adam Her festivals, she's her latest film.

36:32 Jennifer Oh, cool.

36:33 Adam Has been on there.

36:34 Adam It's I want to make sure I've got the right name for it.

36:38 Adam Time Stalker.

36:39 Lee Oh.

36:39 Jennifer Okay.

36:40 Adam and that's just started doing festivals.

36:43 Adam So I'm hoping that's going to appear fairly soon.

36:45 Adam But that's the one she's written and directed.

36:46 Jennifer Nice.

36:47 Lee Check that out then.

36:48 Lee Definitely.

36:49 Lee Not going to be at fright fest then.

36:51 Adam No.

36:52 Lee I don't believe so.

36:52 Lee No.

36:53 Lee

36:54 Lee Right, yes, so thanks so much for listening, everybody.

36:56 Lee we will be back in a fortnight's time, we're going to do a what we've been watching because we used to do them every six weeks and we haven't done one so far this year, I believe.

37:05 Jennifer So.

37:06 Lee Oh, we have.

37:06 Jennifer We have.

37:06 Lee Yeah, no, we have.

37:08 Jennifer We have.

37:08 Lee We do.

37:09 Lee Yeah.

37:09 Lee Yeah.

37:09 Lee Yeah.

37:10 Jennifer Okay.

37:10 Lee Yes, so we need so we're going to do another one of those.

37:13 Lee Because I've got about 10 pages of stuff I've been watching, which I need to whittle down to a 45-minute podcast, which is going to be fun.

37:21 Lee Yes, so thanks ever so much for listening, everybody, and good night.

37:25 Jennifer Night.

37:26 Chris Good night.

37:26 Adam Good night.

37:27 Lee Don't forget to point out if it's not your vagina.

37:30 Chris It isn't my vagina.