The Voices
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There’s a lot of films called “The Voices”; but we’re covering the best - the Marjane Satrapi directed 2014 one, starring Ryan Reynolds. A film that teaches you the value of covering cold meat, even in the fridge; that if someone shifty doesn’t want you to go inside their house, take the hint and walk away; and, in the words of Dr Peter Venkman, cats and dogs living together IS mass hysteria. A strange and compelling film, mixing humour and some very troubling drama, often to queasy effect; “The Voices” just proceeded Ryan Reynolds’ renaissance as Deadpool; and, hopefully, is finally getting the recognition it deserves. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us. And if you are having difficulties with your mental health, seek help - whether that’s with your Doctor or even just talking with friends and family. Stay safe.
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Lee Evening everybody, Lee here. A regular listeners will know that we recently did a supernatural stories episode, or not, depending on your beliefs.
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Lee Thanks very much, and enjoy the show.
Lee Good evening, and welcome to horror.
Lee I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Unknown And tonight I will be.
Unknown Jennifer. Lady Jennifer.
Unknown Singing live.
Unknown Less of the singing.
Unknown So not Matthew, I will be Wayne Sleeps.
Lee they don't answer, right, anyway, I'm getting off before we can started.
Lee Yes, there will be spoilers, there will be swearing.
Lee We are covering a great film. We are joined by Lady Jennifer because she is both a professional in the field and a mahoosive fan of this movie.
Lee So, as Chris has seen this film before, which we will discuss very shortly, and Adam hadn't, we are going to kick off this evening, what were your first impressions of The Voices. Oh yeah, we're discussing The Voices, ladies and gentlemen. The Ryan Reynolds movie from..
Adam 2014.
Adam I think we'd better make that clear because it wasn't until I was on IMDb that I realized quite how many films called The Voices there are.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And at least three others are horror films.
Unknown Oh, wow.
Chris Are any of them worth watching? Are any of them anywhere near as possibly good as this one might be?
Adam I've no idea. I really have no idea.
Adam I just noticed it and I was like, right, can't be like those ones because they haven't got Deadpool in them.
Lee Yeah.
Chris I wait, so I I do want to know why you didn't watch it for so long.
Chris And because I would have thought you'd really like this, Adam, so it would be interesting to know, to find out the truth.
Adam Well, I mean, it's I I it wasn't a avoidance thing if anything, I just didn't know anything about it.
Adam And presumably it was just not one that Leo or Jennifer showed me.
Chris Oh.
Adam You know,
Unknown Yeah.
Adam it was just hadn't come up on one of our film nights or whatever like that.
Adam So, I think that's the I didn't know if you were anti Ryan Reynolds.
Adam No, not at all.
Adam No. I mean, and though there is that's something that I found interesting reading it, it was like looking into it was the fact that most the stuff talking about this contemporaneously only has oh yeah, he's the guy he's Van Wilder party on.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And it's like, oh yeah, this is just pre that real sort of well, Deadpool basically, but he's real sort of like stratospheric stardom sort of thing.
Adam so yeah, so I don't certainly wasn't that.
Adam I do have to ask Lee the question, do you only watch comedies about mentally ill people and conga dancing?
Chris Yes.
Lee yes, I yeah, I can see this would have also worked very well with with a perfect toast.
Adam And also I also would have to ask, do I only ever see Gemma Arterton in things about mentally ill people divorce from reality?
Adam Because going into it, I was like, I don't know that name and then I was like, oh no, she's in Tom and Jerry and Inside number nine.
Unknown Yeah.
Adam And yeah, but again, it's one of those things where just I've I think pretty much everyone in this apart from Ryan Reynolds, all the names, I was like, I know the name. I don't think I've ever seen them in anything.
Adam like Anna Kendrick, I was like, well, I know that name. I hear that name a lot, but I don't think I've consciously seen anything.
Adam But I mean, I'm I don't know how I feel about The Voices.
Adam It's I think it's a lot sadder than I thought it was going to be.
Adam Yeah. Or, do you know what I mean?
Adam It's a lot bleaker. I think I was too hooked up on horror comedy, which I it's got funny bits, but I don't think it's a comedy.
Unknown That makes sense, Adam, as Chris will explain later, I'm sure.
Adam Yeah.
Lee You do the dance number at the end, so you leave on such a high, you go, oh, that was great fun.
Lee And it is and then you watch it again and go, oh yeah, but it's really there are some details. Yeah.
Adam I saw someone, I saw someone call it a karaoke version of Red Dragon.
Lee Wow.
Adam And I get that where it's the sort of versus the reality of it.
Adam And but yeah, it's it's a just it's a very strange beast of a film.
Adam It's sort of it's neither fish nor fowl.
Adam It sort of, yeah, I couldn't I don't know, I certainly it's left me thinking, which is always good.
Adam And there were bits of it that I really enjoyed.
Adam And there were performances and everything that I really enjoyed.
Adam But I just can't quite I still haven't skewed it in my head.
Chris And I wonder if us talking about it will have any change.
Adam Well, that's the thing is because I haven't had that opportunity, usually a lot of the films are sort of ones that we've
Chris Gone through.
Adam either excitably because we've just seen it or it's ones that have been around for a while.
Adam You know, like for example, the last one we did Session 9 is a film that I knew and really enjoyed that one time that I'd watched it and it was sort of there and I'd got a grip on it.
Adam But I think with this, it's it's too new for what it is for me to even say what I liked about it or yeah, it's just a a very odd beast.
Adam But I think also I would like to rewatch it just on the point of view that I now know where it's pitched.
Unknown Oh, as well. I think there's bits that you don't notice the first time, but by the fourth or fifth time, you kind of appreciate, you know,
Chris I think you're expecting my my difficulty having just watched the brand new film of when it has especially when it is a comedy horror and it's like how funny is that necessarily. Because you yeah, it's knowing how am I meant to feel about this? Like is it actually something that's being funny but really is dark and potentially sad.
Chris Which this certainly does have a strong element of.
Adam Because I because I think it was like when we watched when we watched my Bloody Banjo and as we said, there was very much you know, the first half of it is actually quite a kind of a difficult watch, but everything is so heightened and so obviously in a daft world.
Adam Which I don't think this is, even though it's essentially basically, it's really weird because it's the serial killer a serial killer film told from the point of view of the idealized delusional reality of that serial killer.
Adam Yeah.
Lee That's why I loved. It's just which should hit so many fucking buttons for me.
Adam You know what I mean, but it's sort of like I'm still sort of like processing in a way. I think.
Unknown Is it because it's Ryan Reynolds and you're like, oh, but he's sexy and cute and he dances and it's like, whoa.
Adam I don't know if it's that because curiously enough, I didn't really like Jerry.
Unknown No.
Unknown Well, you're not meant to, I suppose, are you?
Adam I mean, quite quite worryingly, I really like Mr. Whiskers.
Unknown Oh, cool.
Unknown Who doesn't?
Adam Although absolute absolutely negative points, he should have been called Frank.
Adam That's all.
Adam It shouldn't have a comedy name.
Unknown Oh, no, it should.
Unknown I like that.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But although obviously friend and friend of the podcast and sometime guest and Mosly Happy Hour alumnus Mr. Wesley Smith does always say that cats should have a prefix.
Unknown Yeah.
Adam They should be Mr. or Miss, you know, that and then they're nine.
Adam So, you know, it follows the Wesley Standard, which is always good.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So, but yeah, I just sort of yeah. It's just bizarre. So.
Lee and got you thinking. I think that's definitely a
Adam That without a shadow of doubt, that means I'm I'm not dismissing this film whatsoever.
Adam That is it's not I don't like this film. This is like, I need to pour over this. I need to process and think about this.
Adam And like I say, it probably is like if I rewatch it, I think I'll find it because I've watched it the once for the show.
Adam like the other night, but that you know, I need to sort of
Unknown now how Chris for the second time.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So, yeah, so Chris as as your second viewing, please tell me where you are.
Chris Yeah, and it was a few years ago now that we watched it first.
Chris And I I don't remember being told much about it.
Chris So, I don't know that I knew exactly what to expect. And it it's it is quite an experience. especially if you haven't seen many others, you know, of of similar genre.
Chris but I got to say, I I definitely remember liking Ryan Reynolds, I'm fairly certain it was the first time I'd seen him.
Chris And I thought when we first watched it and this time again, I do think he plays the character well.
Chris
Chris he he's a like he's very awkward, you know, he doesn't have any friends and he doesn't really know how to socialize with people and yet there is something still charming about him.
Chris while also very creepy. And he he does get all of that across in different ways at different times.
Chris And I think that is effective.
Chris And I suppose it's it's hard for me not to like a film that is potentially trying to.
Chris Or this is a debate I have with some people occasionally about.
Unknown When the voices.
Chris Well, possibly that, yeah. No, when when comedies appear to be being very offensive potentially and laughing at something. I think sometimes the comedians are doing it in a way to potentially get the people who otherwise wouldn't care whatsoever about that particular topic to first laugh but then maybe get across something a bit extra where they're like, okay, you know, I kind of see something there.
Chris so so in this, it's like, are we just laughing at someone with a mental illness.
Unknown No,
Unknown I'm laughing. I feel sorry for him.
Chris Or or the purpose is to to perhaps capture an audience that wouldn't necessarily always think I'm going to be interested in watching a documentary about mental illness. But I'll watch this film, oh, and actually it's going to be a few things to think about where yeah, you know, I never really thought somebody growing up who has inherited a genetic mental illness.
Unknown Later and later.
Chris It would appear and also traumatized by
Chris having to kill their mother, probably going to have some impact on them. We'll yeah, and so and so, you know, what like I'm sure there may be somebody like that. And yeah, what sort of things they go through. I mean, he he's he is essentially trying to get on in life.
Chris And and then things happen.
Unknown Well, I like you feel sorry for him.
Chris And you probably do, yeah.
Unknown And he's almost stark.
Unknown But I also think if he wasn't as attractive, if like it wasn't Ryan Reynolds playing him, you probably wouldn't feel quite as much pity and
Chris eventually. Well, he's he's got a very boyish.
Unknown Yeah, and that kind of and charm.
Unknown It's like he hasn't grown up.
Adam Maybe maybe when they have those snatches where he goes back to when he stops when he starts taking the medication and sees the world for as it is.
Chris The way it really is.
Adam Yeah. Nothing talks, he's got a rot in the fridge, the place is covered in pet shit and bleak. Everything is like, maybe he shouldn't have looked maybe he shouldn't have been played by Ryan Reynolds.
Lee Oh, yeah, change a different actor.
Adam It's almost like Ryan Reynolds is his idealized expression of it's like, yeah, I'm a bit goofy, but you know, I'm I'm attractive.
Chris And then actually it's It turns out.
Lee Yeah.
Unknown If he were to play him, Adam, which actor would be suitably.
Adam I I don't know. I think I I've
Lee I've got this.
Chris I think I could give it a good go.
Unknown Well, I'm gone, Chris.
Chris you can personally.
Chris I could pull it off.
Unknown Fair enough.
Chris A miserable version of Ryan Reynolds.
Lee All right.
Lee Lee's going to find someone, are you?
Chris Oh.
Unknown Oh, dear.
Unknown We'll wait.
Chris Well, while we're, well, yeah, while while Lee's processing.
Adam Cuz because that was the other thing as well is that kind of there's I think there's a obviously, I think in terms of it being about mental health.
Adam I think that there is basically, I found Jerry selfish.
Adam In so much as it's like, yes, I know that everything's shit.
Adam But you haven't taken your pills and now people are dead.
Adam And it's not like you're not receiving help. You've gone to a psychiatrist to a medical professional to seek help for it. She has told you to take your medicine and you're not doing it because it's better if the cat's if the dog's talk to you.
Chris Wait, wait, was he did he choose to go to? I thought that was part of his president.
Adam Oh yeah, it's part of his president.
Adam But that's the thing is that you can't argue the case.
Adam A lot of the time when especially when you read about like not so much now but sort of older cases with serial killers and things like that, is it's clear that the world just did not have any form of infrastructure to try and help mentally ill people.
Chris But it's this is one now.
Chris Well, so I thought the point of this was that yeah, there is some infrastructure but it's still not working.
Chris And then the scene where he tried to jump to the film.
Adam But but she chooses not taking them.
Chris No, yeah, but.
Lee I think this is the discussion I had with Jennifer.
Lee And what she said quite rightly, as an expert in the field, yeah, is that unfortunately, the side effects of the meds, they make people feel unwell, etcetera.
Lee So as soon as you start feeling better, your immediate thing is, well, I'm fine now, so I can just stop saying.
Chris I think there would actually be a lot of people that would do that.
Adam Oh, there's a lot of it's a very difficult thing because basically you're asking people who have a unstructured mind to do something structured.
Lee Yeah.
Unknown Yeah.
Adam And it's not a it's not a good system.
Adam But I just found that it was because even down to that where it's like, he basically spends an afternoon cult to well, cult turkey of his illness essentially.
Adam Or no, hot turkey because he's on the drugs. So he spends an afternoon hot turkey, then just chucks him away and makes himself sick because it's.
Chris But but the but it's like you said though, the meds are not what you would call perfect.
Chris So, and especially some people I think respond really badly to them, others not so badly, so that's really hard to say everyone gets exactly the same result.
Chris So, if they really do make you feel awful.
Chris And plus he has no support network, there is got no friends, no family.
Adam But but the only thing that they show you in there the side effects of the drug for him are is that he sees the world as it truly is.
Chris Yeah, no, but I think, I think.
Adam They show it that way. They don't spend too long on it, but I'm sure that inside he's still going to be feeling a lot of pain.
Adam Oh yeah.
Adam But it's And I agree. I completely agree.
Chris Yeah. I agree. Ideally, he should. But I I still think if he felt but then yeah,
Chris Jennifer said as soon as your as soon as you feel better, it would be tempting to go, I'm fine now, so I don't have to.
Chris I must be cured.
Chris Well, it could you. pink jump suits and you know, the sun's shining, or yeah, you got to see the doll grayness, you can see why. But I mean, even just thinking of people. But but if people if people end up dead because of that.
Unknown No, I'm laughing. I feel sorry for him.
Unknown Or or the purpose is to to perhaps capture an audience that wouldn't necessarily always think I'm going to be interested in watching a documentary about mental illness. But I'll watch this film, oh, and actually it's going to be a few things to think about where yeah, you know, I never really thought somebody growing up who has inherited a genetic mental illness.
Chris Yeah, but he's on his own though.
Chris I think, I think if he had.
Unknown In his mind. None of it.
Adam Just just so you can watch, you know, forklift ballet.
Unknown Yeah, well, exactly. I think that's a fair trade off.
Lee Sorry. Just to cut in and cheer this off. The person I was thinking of and couldn't think of his name is Eddie Marsan.
Adam Oh, fuck yeah, he'd have been perfect.
Lee Because he plays like uncomfortable and socially awkward, perfectly.
Lee Like if you dropped him in in the points when he actually took the meds, that would be perfect and then you say to go, oh yeah, no, he's nothing like that.
Unknown Yeah.
Lee That charisma and like he'd be amazing.
Adam But also would that then also skew the movie in the way that we've been talking where it's like, yeah, do you want to be Eddie Marsan or do you want to be do you want to be Ryan Reynolds, you know, and the obvious answer.
Adam But it's no offense to Mr. Marsan, I'm sure he's a fine man and a fucking incredible actor.
Lee That's why he came straight to mind. I've seen him in three films in the last two weeks.
Lee And both times I've been like, he gives such a stellar performance, like, an awkward performances.
Lee Yeah, where he played he played someone who was kind of not in their comfort zone and and was kind of in a really awkward position. Yeah, and that was why it just lept to mind. I was like, he would just be absolutely perfect for this.
Adam Yeah, I think and I
Adam I have someone close who has a skizoid I don't know what the term is but it's basically a skizoid
Adam It's not schizophrenia because schizophrenia is permanent.
Adam Now, the interesting thing was is a lot of the stuff I'm seeing, people saying schizophrenia, which they obviously never say in the film.
Unknown No.
Adam And I think that's very key because I think a lot of people have got hooked up on that sort of side of it.
Adam But it's so Claire has schizo effective disorder, which is essentially periodic schizophrenic sort of moments.
Adam Now, she takes her meds and it's touch wood is being kept in check and everything else like that.
Adam And it's not a permanent state, it is a state that you can go into.
Adam But so I sort of like if anything, I've used her as a scientific advisor on it as well.
Unknown So you signed off on it then? You'll say goodbye, so what happens?
Adam I thought we've got we've got both sides. We've got we've got both the medical side and the experience side of of the the sort of thing.
Adam And but she said that the the stuff like the forklift ballet is accurate because it's that pastel effect and that sort of everything's vivid.
Unknown Yeah, and you say it.
Adam Yeah, and it's and she said that those bits or like when he goes and finds Fiona's body, and there's no blood and it's very beautifully sort of laid out. It's still he's still a dead body, but it's kind of sanitized, if you like, and sort of snow white sort of feeling.
Adam and also but also the bit where the voices in the fridge were arguing and the the sing song music, like the Jerry and Fiona, Jerry and Fiona.
Adam sort of she said that those were the bits that most reflected those states.
Adam the one thing that I think she found was the thing with it though is that the dog and cat good versus evil hallucination.
Adam kind of doesn't gel with the rest of it because the rest of it feels right because it's kind of messy, whereas that is that feels too much like a conceit, if you see what I mean.
Chris Yeah, very contrived.
Adam That's it. That is some of the best dog and cat acting I've seen.
Unknown That's it. Dog and cat.
Lee Oh yeah, I knew that you'd love and like, yeah, just the way both of those are.
Lee that the and it's funny because I I genuinely forget about the dog and like, how can you forget a film in which you've got a talking dog and a talking cat and the dog is encouraging and loving and the cat is an absolute shit ass, how can you forget that it's part of this film.
Lee But you easily can because there's just
Chris is is that is that dog and cat stereotyping though. Yeah. So you so you don't think that the the issue here is its representation of mental illness but its representation of stereotypes of feline and canine behavior.
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Unknown No, I feel like the mental health issue, yeah, it's not supposed to be a perfect example of a specific disorder, because I think there isn't one, is there? That's sort of the point. Everyone experiences it very differently, so I guess for some people that element of the devil and the angel is really big in their mental illness. Other people obviously have hallucinations, other people might hear the voices or so I guess I sort of took it as a, you know, yeah, broad rush strokes of mental illness and how it might affect someone.
Adam Well, it's also a perfect conceit for describing someone like for describing a murderer.
Unknown Yes, yeah.
Adam That's it. Because, you know, he's and you know, I think apparently like they said that they were going to do it, they wanted to get actors in to do the voices.
Adam And then Ryan Reynolds sent the director him doing the voices like as a voice message or something like that.
Unknown Brilliant.
Adam And then, but but yeah, then the director, she said that it then made perfect sense because obviously everything's coming from within his mind.
Adam So it makes sense that the voices are him apart from people who have a voice, as it were.
Unknown And then I didn't realize it was him, so tell me that.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I mean, like they don't sound like him.
Lee I'm sure most of my first watch to suddenly it's not until the point where you see him doing the dog's voice, that's what Oh shit. No, like that is him doing those voices. And that was when I finally realized because he just,
Lee yeah, they sound so different.
Lee I don't know why, in my mind, doing different accents or whatever is so difficult.
Lee So for him to do like the Scottish accent that well, I was like, no, they've obviously dubbed that over the cap.
Unknown He's an actor, didn't you know that?
Lee Well,
Unknown Yeah.
Unknown There's people that didn't know that.
Unknown They paid a lot.
Adam Yeah, but yeah, but there's also there's also I would refer you to the actor Sean Connery.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, accents or something not Scottish accents, he's very good at them, but others are a bit of a.
Lee I mean, we could have a whole there.
Adam Yes.
Lee And talking about the performances here, you mentioned Anna Hendry.
Lee I'm the same. I I always think, I've definitely recognized her.
Lee So she's the second girl he kills, who actually fancies him and goes on the date with.
Unknown Actually fancies him.
Unknown Oh.
Lee The first one didn't. No, it's all right.
Adam Lisa.
Lee Yes.
Lee But I I like she's the same, I sort of recognized her face and I'm like, I've definitely seen her in stuff, but she was so good in this.
Chris Like, I thought. Yeah, when she turns, when she starts to realize.
Adam Although although that did watching it with Claire, that did make me laugh is when he was just outside and he's going, no, I'll get in through the skylight and everything. Claire just went, look, just fucking read the room and go, mate. They don't want you.
Unknown Yeah, but she should have as well.
Unknown Run away, love.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Cuz actually and that was that was something that did that I thought was very true.
Adam And another thing Claire pointed out and she said, imagine it gender swaps though of a woman shows a vulnerable moment and then a bloke picks her up and then goes to HR and asks for her address.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah, it's just it'd come over a lot worse in a very different film.
Adam In this it's kind of a cookie comedy sort of, you know.
Adam But it's
Adam But no, I think I yeah, I think all the fucking performances in it.
Adam I mean and even the two like the two guys who like the two workmates who just go around there and it's like when he says, well, I'll wait here.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah, you're a hero. You're a real hero. Thanks, man.
Lee Yeah.
Adam But it's but yeah, and apparently the the cat voice is a friend of Ryan Reynolds. It's like an impression he's been doing of him for 20 odd years.
Adam And obviously was the first thing you thought of when it's like, I really need someone quite insulting.
Chris Yeah, does he say similar thing. Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Adam See, I actually quite I like I liked the bits of the sort of typical dog cat stuff as well.
Adam Where it's just like, where have you been, you fucker? I'm hungry.
Adam And you know, sort of And just the sort of the the general. And like when the dog, when the doorbell goes and the dog's just like, it's an intruder, I'll take a bullet for him.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Don't you worry.
Lee And I think that's the thing. I think this, I know we, you know, we've we've said about it like it's quite a hard film to handle. I was discussing it this weekend with former former guest, Danny.
Lee yeah, and he's he, you know, I sort of said to him, yeah, it's one of those films because he'd used the the phrase earlier in the day, it was an amazing film. I can't work out who the fuck they made it for.
Lee And I was like, that's exactly how I feel about The Voices. And he said the same thing. He was like, it works on every level, but I can't understand how they knew it was going to work for so many people.
Lee Because it's such a difficult it's a very difficult concept to do, and it is extremely dark, it's extremely funny. yeah, it's just a lot to squeeze in.
Lee I don't get how they got an elevator pitch together and got this film made, but they did.
Adam And
Adam apparently, the script was going around Hollywood for ages.
Adam And there's a thing called The Blacklist, which gets published every year and it's all industry insiders like producers and directors and stuff like that and they basically list the best unmade scripts of that year.
Adam And this was in the list for 2009, I think it was.
Adam So it was knocking around a lot before it actually got picked up and at one point the guy directed one hour photo was going to do it and it was going to be Ben Stiller instead of Ryan Reynolds.
Unknown Oh, dear.
Unknown Which.
Adam Which I think would have been like, I think that would have potentially made this Ben Stiller's cable guy if it had have stuck to its guns of just one of those ones where it puts people off them for ages.
Adam Because all the Ben Stiller fans going to see it, probably interesting enough because Ryan Reynolds wasn't a you know, he was famous but he wasn't like a draw in the do you know what I mean in that it's oh it's a Ben Stiller film. It's a Will Farrell film or something like that.
Adam So, I think yeah, I think it would have been yeah, we we could have suffered.
Unknown And especially with the audience that he normally has, you know, like the whole romantic comedy, can you imagine, you know, his 20 something female fans who are all massive fans of all his all his romcoms coming and seeing this and just being like, what the shit.
Unknown Because it starts, as you said, it starts off because it's all from his point of view and it's all his delusions.
Unknown It starts off so nice. So that point where he actually murders Jennifer Arterton, again, like that still gets me.
Unknown Like the fact that it's an accident to begin with is bad, but then when he just keeps stabbing her, that is really bad.
Adam That was one other thing that occurred to me when I was watching it though. Is I was like, everything is from his point of view and everything is sanitized by his point of view. Are they accidents?
Unknown Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Adam Do you know what I mean? It's like I when I when I went down there, I was like, fuck this is taking it down a fucking dark path.
Adam Yeah. Because then it was like, especially when it's like, you know, it's a mercy killing but as said by Jeffrey Damer. It's like, you know, oh, I slit I I had to slit his throat after I I strangled him because he hadn't really reacted well to me drilling a hole in his head and putting acid in his brain.
Adam It's sort of.
Lee Well, I count with the deer, like when deer comes through and the deer's going, please kill me, please kill me.
Lee I was like, drag it off the bonnet, to the side of the road and cut his throat. Don't cut its throat in your car across her lap, like that's definitely going to freak her out.
Adam Yeah, but he's he's not very good at social cues.
Unknown Yeah.
Adam And it's See, that's the thing is that that that makes actually quite a lot of sense.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, it's like that's probably not going to occur at that point.
Adam But it did sort of, you know.
Adam And I think there's because actually, I mean, the bit where where he kills Lisa, I think has.
Chris Well, I'm thinking that that's much that feels like Frankenstein or something like that.
Adam You know, where it's like, you you have you have you may have a sympathy for the monster, but it's a monster and an entirely innocent person's coming and he's going to get and he's going to die.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And it's yeah, it's just a weird sort of.
Adam So I think that one comes over a lot darker.
Adam Whereas the
Chris But would he have killed her only if she hadn't gone in and seen it all.
Adam Oh, no.
Chris That one is.
Chris That was
Adam just a reading I took of it where it was like, well, if I did
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Chris or
Chris fan.
Adam It's just
Adam like,
Adam shit,
Adam is that yeah,
Adam does it kind of
Adam change that tone
Adam as well?
Adam You know,
Adam it's very
Adam sort of.
Lee That's what I love about this.
Lee This is why it holds up so well to to rewatch it.
Chris As you say, because every time you watch it,
Chris you you look at it.
Chris But I mean the whole thing is about perception.
Chris I mean, whether he is
Chris mentally or not, everyone perceives things sometimes wildly differently, you know, certainly some of the things in here, I think we would all perceive equally the same. But it it like to think of that life is about perception and mistaking things.
Chris You'd hopefully just don't end up stabbing a lot of people from it.
Adam But to be honest,
Adam I think I think Lee Lee pairing this with split and obviously we won't get into it now, but when we get to split, the interesting thing is is that again split is
Adam about you view it from the point of view of everyone where it's like, oh this is the explanation for what is going on here.
Adam And actually there's more to it and the world is wrong, like the normal in inverted commas, the normal the real world is wrong about what's happening here.
Adam But the real world has interpreted this way. Whereas this is the opposite where it's his has interpreted it wrong.
Chris His interpreted it wrong.
Adam Yeah. And sort of how and it's yeah, so it's going to be an interesting I think it's an interesting pairing in that sense.
Adam but all in all, I mean, actually, and one thing I was going to say is did you spot the bloke from Ador?
Adam because because the director Marshall Saraki, I saw an interview with her and she just said that she really wanted to do like films in England. So a lot of so obviously you've got Jenner Artton in there. but you've got quite a few sort of like English or sort of British actors in here and stuff like that. But yeah, the guy played the sheriff is a guy called Stanley Towns but he was in Ador recently as he was the fat commandant that robbed the money reserve off of.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I knew I recognized.
Lee Yeah, yeah.
Adam And and he's also the really rich Middle Eastern guy in toast of London who makes toast appear in a
Lee toast of London.
Adam film about hanging Prince Phillip.
Chris Oh.
Adam For his walk.
Adam So, but I was just like, wow, he's really good.
Adam Because I because I was like, I know you from something, but he's just very convincingly an American sheriff in this.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And he's got that look, hasn't he?
Lee It's.
Lee Yeah, he has.
Adam He's got the right
Lee sort of
Adam feeling
Adam for
Adam it.
Adam And
Adam it
Adam was
Adam
Adam But
Adam yeah,
Adam I
Adam think
Adam the.
Adam And I'm I want to put it out there
Adam because I think it's an important thing
Adam because it's mental health
Adam and stuff like that.
Adam That obviously.
Adam If you've experienced if you're experiencing any difficulties or
Adam any of the
Adam anything that's heard in this film
Adam has affected you in any way.
Adam yeah, go and fucking seek help
Adam because I think that's that that was.
Adam I I've written it down here as my Springer's final thought.
Adam If this film, films don't need to have a message, this film doesn't need to have a message.
Adam But if it does have a message, it's don't be a selfish fuck,
Adam seek help and take your meds.
Lee That's right.
Lee I think that's what I was discussing this with someone recently actually.
Lee Like I do think it's good that in the last few years, maybe in the last 10 years, that going and seeing someone if you're not feeling like it's perfectly normal.
Lee And you know, a large majority of people, like it used to be very friend.
Lee I remember yeah, when we were young,
Lee like it was just not wouldn't.
Adam Presumably when Jerry was young.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah. And I think that may have a point to it as well.
Lee Yeah, if you catch it tough early,
Lee like, you know, with any any illness, whether it's physical or mental, catch it early enough.
Lee got time to you've got more time to with it.
Chris Like I remember Adam was laughing about, you know, psychotherapy and therapy as if it was some sort of a silly made up, you know, rubbish for like, yeah, it's not a real science and yeah, it may not be physics or chemistry, but it's clearly very important. And needs a lot more research.
Lee Yeah. Possibly.
Adam Well, it's health and the trouble is is that it's not health that's obvious if you break your leg.
Adam You can see it.
Adam If you cut if you have a graze, you can see it, but you can't see those on a.
Adam on the inside.
Chris Although I bet the same people that would laugh about it might still take cancer seriously.
Chris So, yeah.
Lee The thing is again, it's the difficulty as well, isn't it? You know, we all say, we're all very British. People say, how are you? Yeah, I'm great. You might be having the worst day you've had in the last two months, but someone says, how are you? You go, yeah, I'm great.
Lee But you just said you were really sad.
Lee And I think that's why it goes under the radar. Yeah, because he's like and he thinks he's right and thinks his view, everything he says is like sane and yes.
Lee And you're taking the medication, he sort of says, oh, I'm taking the medication and we know he's not,
Lee he's not quit.
Adam I have to say, that bit got me though.
Adam When it was just like, well, you know,
Adam But when I'm not on my meds, I can see the universe what it is and there's huge long speech about seeing through the sort of areas of reality to find a true meaning.
Adam So you have stopped taking your meds.
Lee Yeah.
Lee yes,
Lee so we better wrap up here, ladies and gentlemen.
Lee so this is definitely a recommend from myself and from Lady Jennifer.
Chris Chris?
Chris Yeah, from me, definitely.
Lee Adam?
Adam It's a recommend from me because I think I'm
Adam I'm curious and funnily enough, Claire Claire said it as well, which is don't know who this is for.
Adam And I want to find out I might be unhappy with the answer.
Adam But I want to find out, you know, there's yeah, there's something about it.
Lee I think it's one of those I don't know who it's.
Lee equally, I would show it to almost anybody
Lee because I think it's got things in it.
Unknown I recommended it to A-level students.
Unknown After I watched it the first time, when I had a sort of rose tinted view of it, and I was like, oh brilliant, teaching schizophrenia.
Unknown It's really good because it does show that sort of, you know, opposing views.
Unknown And then of course, I to Chris and Shelley and they were horrified.
Unknown I haven't mentioned it to students since just in case.
Unknown I had one student blessing, he came back in like, you know, a few weeks later and I'm miss, I watched that. It was really interesting.
Adam So, you know, yay.
Adam I I think that's the thing is the good thing is is that all of us do say we found it sad.
Unknown Yeah.
Adam And that's that's probably the point in a in a way is that it at least it got that across.
Adam It is I'm not going to go to the point of tragedy because I think that's when someone loses or whatever, but yeah, it's like yeah, it's just a bit, yeah.
Lee But again, like you say, it calls conversations that we had. I hadn't seen it half a dozen times,
Lee but we still discussed it again after this watch because it still every time makes me think about it in a slightly different way.
Chris Do these things help to make mental wellness less taboo and easier to talk about.
Chris Possibly.
Lee Absolutely.
Lee so in a in a very stark difference to this.
Lee As Adam said, we'll be watching Split in a Fortnite's time.
Lee
Lee I don't think there'll be much being on the side of that character there,
Lee but we'll see how it goes.
Adam Yeah.
Adam I can't wait. I haven't watched it for a while, so.
Lee No, we saw it when it first come out
Lee and I haven't watched it again since.
Lee But yeah, I just was blown away by it, so while I'm night is still at the top of the tree at the moment.
Lee We'll we'll
Lee Before he has another one of his trophs, we'll we'll be watching Split in a Fortnite's time.
Lee Thanks ever so much for listening everybody.
Lee Good night.
Chris Good night.
Adam Good night.
