Dead Snow
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Just in time for some of the hottest weather the UK has ever seen, we’re covering Nazi Zombies on Ice in 2009’s “Dead Snow”. An informative film that details basic avalanche orienteering techniques; the right and wrong ways to use a snowmobile and when not to lick a fat man’s fingers. A simple premise, a sense of humour and some balls out gore make this a fun horror ride. With no one safe and a seemingly never ending hoard of the undead, it manages to keep a level of tension, without having to reign in the humour as the film goes on, a very fine balancing act. Whilst not necessarily a movie for regular repeat viewing, it’s always a great ride while it lasts. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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Unknown Good evening and welcome to Horror.
Lee I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee And we're here this evening for a discussion on the 2009 film Dead Snow.
Lee Uh there will be spoilers, there will be swearing.
Adam Bastards.
Lee Yes, I uh yeah, again, I think this is one of those films even if you haven't seen it and you've ever been on the fence.
Lee I don't think someone describing it to you is in any way going to spoil the uh it's all about the journey and the uh yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I think you know from the cover exactly what you're going to get with this film.
Adam Yes.
Chris And don't take the early advice of no movie talk for an hour or we won't be doing much here.
Unknown Don't don't be a nerd, who's been a nerd over there in the corner?
Lee All of us, Adam.
Adam Can I just say that that was my first sitting there with a purely critical mind on, that was my first inaccuracy.
Adam Was, oh yes, of course, women find fat bastards who are film nerds absolutely sexually irresistible.
Adam I speak from experience there.
Adam There's nothing quite like a lady just coming in after you've had a shit, you know.
Chris That that scene hasn't been in in many other films.
Adam Could I just say that was less believable than Nazi zombies?
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yes, so for anyone who hasn't seen it, uh yes, Dead Snow is is exactly that, as I say, it's not a spoiler, it's all on the cover.
Lee Uh it's a group go to a cabin in the woods, but in the woods in Norway.
Adam Yes, in the mountains really, yes.
Lee And uh yeah, and basically awaken a bunch of Nazi zombies who uh they then have to try and escape from. Um yeah.
Lee Chris, what did you make of this film when you were first viewing?
Chris Well, yeah, as we've just said really, you know.
Chris Zombies, Nazis, uh Nazi zombies in the snow, I mean, what more do you need?
Chris That's that's the tram of fun right there.
Lee Oh and it is a comedy horror as well just to play there for anyone.
Chris It is.
Chris Although, I'll tell you what, it proper kicked off with the gore more than I wasn't quite expecting that level.
Chris I didn't it definitely hadn't set me up for that.
Chris I was like, oh no, this this is this is really going some.
Chris I yeah, another scene I don't think you will see in many other films.
Chris What what did he have his his intestines got caught on the tree?
Lee Oh yeah, and he keeps running and they're just hanging out behind him.
Adam And before that someone is dangling off a cliff on some on someone else's intestines.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Well, there's a lot there's a lot I tell you that they the local butcher's shop must have done very well.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yeah, there are some fantastic kills in this, it's uh it's a it's a lot more it is, it's one of those that's better than the sum of its parts really.
Lee It's just it yeah, I just I always find this film such a fun, daft, enjoyable watch.
Lee It's yeah, it's one I can't remember, I can't remember if I went to see it at the cinema, I don't think it was released.
Adam I don't think it had a cinema release over here to be honest.
Adam I'm I'm pretty sure it did festivals, but I don't think it had like a general release.
Lee No, so I think I heard about it from the festivals and bought it the day it was released on DVD, and then again, as soon as it came out on Blu-ray, I was like, yeah, I need a proper high definition copy of that film because.
Lee And it even on Blu-ray, the gorge just looks fantastic for the budget, it's amazingly good.
Adam Effects-wise, I mean, it's he's really quite impeccable, you know, it's it.
Adam They've they do such a good job and it's that correlation as well there is a distinct thing of there is a there is a sort of offshoot of horror comedy that is all about as much splatter as you can get into it.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Evil Dead 2's kind of the king of it, but definitely yeah, the that it's it's gore to the point of Looney Tunes.
Adam Where it's sort of just absurd frankly, it's um.
Chris And that is that is one of the films they mentioned.
Adam Yes, yeah.
Chris And and it does you know it does definitely give you a little bit of that.
Chris When you're all in the cabin together and.
Lee They borrow quite heavily for Dead Snow 2 from Evil Dead 2 as well, which I fully appreciate, but I'll get into that a bit later.
Lee Um.
Lee Yeah, so Adam, did I see this for the first time with you?
Lee Did you come to mine and we watched it when it first came out as I remember?
Adam I'm pretty sure that's the way round it was.
Adam Because again, because funnily enough, I was saying to Claire because it's sort of um.
Adam You know, this is 2009 and so at that point it would have been I want to see the horror comedy with zombies and Nazis.
Adam I'm going to have to invest.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, that's that was the only way that you were going to see it was you had to buy the as it is, it's the DVD that I've got.
Adam And um yeah, I think we would have we would have watched it, I probably brought it round or whatever and we watched it then because.
Adam Again, it was one is one of those things where it was like you were reading about it in well, probably magazines as well as online.
Adam Um and again, it was just getting such it was getting such good notices and everything else like that.
Adam And um.
Chris But what why does it work?
Chris And what why did they go, you know what, this is the film we've got to make, right? And because you could think it's just going to be terrible.
Chris And it it might have been.
Chris But what what gave you that impetus to be like we're pretty sure this is going to be good.
Adam I think it was it was weird, I think certainly from reading about it, people were just like, look, this isn't incompetent.
Adam You know, it wasn't like because there are certain ones where it's like it's a low budget film but it doesn't have the strength to it, there's no there's no crap actors in this or anything else like that, it doesn't have that element to it.
Chris I actually I quite liked um every so often they go into English.
Chris Which does actually add a bit of a amusement to the the words they're using.
Lee Yeah, when you suddenly catch an English phrase.
Lee But the second film is all in English.
Chris Oh, okay.
Adam Oh, okay.
Lee I'm guessing it did so well over here and in the states that they were like, oh if we make it in, make the second film in in English, it'll get a bigger.
Lee Because yeah, so the first one is all all in Norwegian with subtitles.
Chris I quite like they sneaked in some public service announcements about uh if you get stuck in an avalanche, spit and you know which way to, so I've I've learned something that could save my life one day.
Adam Well, because um because the director Tommy Wirkola has done sort of this was kind of his calling card and then he got he was doing English language films.
Adam So he did there's the Christmas horror Violent Night.
Lee Oh yeah.
Adam Never seen it, but he did that.
Adam And he also did, and I know you've this is one you've uh talked about before, he did Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters.
Lee Oh, do you know what, it's really funny, I was about to suggest that as our next episode and I didn't know that was why.
Adam Oh, there you go.
Adam So it's obviously put in a sort of an element of uh certainly that's obviously come through.
Adam So then obviously he did those and then he did uh Dead Snow 2. So I wonder if it was because also like he was doing at that point he was doing English language films as well, so I mean maybe they were just like commercially, you know, are you going to do because I don't know I mean it was sort of like it was very well well received sort of like in America and here, so and I'm assuming did pretty well in in Norway, but.
Adam I I don't know, you know, it might have just been a commercial decision and it's like, well, you know, we'll get if we get more viewers or we get more exposure if it's in English, I don't know.
Lee Hmm.
Lee But yeah, so this so this film came out around the same time, so there was a bit of a sort of explosion of Scandinavian horror because I remember so we had Let the Right One In came out in 2008, the year before this.
Lee Then we had this and then in 2010 we got Rare Exports and Troll Hunter.
Chris Yeah, I was thinking, yeah.
Lee Yeah, all of which are, I mean, obviously, Let the Right One In is not a horror comedy, um but the others certainly are, but yeah, they just seem to be this influx of films coming from that part of the world and they're all brilliant.
Lee There was just so much good stuff came but then it sort of died out pretty quickly.
Chris There's like a director doing workshops or something and.
Lee Yeah, I mean, it could have been or it could have been like a grant thing, you know, like Canada obviously gives loads of money to, but I don't know if maybe the Scandinavian countries were doing something similar.
Adam It I mean sometimes it may just be it can just be sort of generational that was about to say generational penetration, but that sounds fucking wrong.
Adam Um, but um you know, it's just sort of like you get a group who have sort of like been sort of they're of the same generation, so they all sort of produce and so they're influenced by similar sort of stuff.
Adam Yeah, so they're all doing, well as you say, apart from Let the Right One In, but then that's based on the book as well, but you also get a lot like people doing horror comedies and you you know, sort of like that is a a sort of unique thing where it's like suddenly you'll get a bubbling of them.
Adam But then it's like that time, what was that there was that time when um like there were loads of asteroid movies and things like that, sometimes it's just idea space suddenly just everyone's thinking about let's do let's do a film about an asteroid or.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Let's do like that year where there were like three films about Christopher Columbus and things like that and you know.
Adam Including I believe I'm thinking about it, including I think Carry On Columbus.
Adam So you know.
Lee Uh but yeah, I say it that is one of the things I love about this, again, it's it does it's it's that thing where it gets everything right in the right proportions.
Lee So the like the zombies are scary, they are menacing.
Chris And they're not they're not slow-moving ones either, these are fast, yeah.
Lee Um the gore is exceptional, I mean, the the kill where he knocks the zombie out and then drops the snow speeder on its head and just revs it until it rips it to bits is just.
Chris Brilliant.
Lee I love it.
Lee Um, yeah, the amount of gore that they're all covered in in that final scene where they're still at the.
Lee Um and it's got that great thing of nobody being safe as well, which is always something that I uh.
Adam Yeah.
Adam There's no and um you've also got I mean there's I I'm pretty sure it's unique in having someone bite a zombie first.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, I'm I'm pretty sure that's that's fairly sort of unique for this.
Adam Um because that was the that was the thing as well is because this is it's from that standpoint and weirdly enough, I think by then it was it was almost like becoming.
Adam Cliche is the wrong word, but it was a thing that was pretty common was the idea of you have someone in there who's like, oh, I've seen zombie films, so I know how zombies work.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So, you know, everyone's like, well, he said don't get bitten or and so on and so forth, and it's like, yeah.
Chris That's when that point you're like arguing, look, you know, they're not going to turn you, look, surely, they're not interested in you joining them, like, you're like, I ain't taking any chances.
Adam I have to say, I think there was also some fantastic harbinger work from the scary Bob Mortimer.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yes, Bjorn Sundquist, um when he just comes in and does a nice little chile because.
Adam You do need that in the midst of it all just to give it the right level of scare.
Adam Because that's the thing is it's that that's the one point where it's like that would be in the straight version of the horror film.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Um, but equally.
Adam I mean, there's because I I think the thing is that the zombies are.
Adam menacing and like Colonel Herzog, the head of them is clearly just pure menace, but a lot of the troops are also comedic.
Adam Like there's the bit where they're looking up the tree bewildered or where one of them bites through their um like insulated jacket and he's just choking on feathers and stuff like that.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So and a lot of them are a bit sort of, you know, proper sort of mindless imbecilic sort of things as well as vicious killing machines, you know.
Lee It yeah, it is it's great yeah, it is it's that thing of Herzog is obviously so he is the brains of the operation, yeah, everybody else are these not dithering isn't the word because they are just.
Lee Yeah, they they're ready to go and just kill a moment's notice the second he gives them the the nod really.
Lee Um but yeah, there's something about him and the makeup of him as well, like all the zombie makeup is good, but his is just horrific.
Lee It's.
Adam Yeah, they they knew that he was going to be the image because a lot of funnily enough, I think the a lot of the zombies in this resemble the zombies in.
Adam Uh Plague of Zombies, is that sort of gray, angular, white-eyed look that you get in Hammer's Plague of Zombies.
Adam Um, but yeah, I know I mean Herzog, I I don't know if that's a a reference to Werner Herzog or just it was, you know, they were just like, think of a German.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Think of a German, Hitler, can't do that.
Chris Oh okay.
Lee But yeah, just it's um so the the second one just to give you the heads up.
Lee So obviously the right spoiler alert, if anyone who doesn't want to know how the film ends.
Lee Skip forward five minutes from now.
Lee Give me a minute, give me a minute.
Lee Yeah, so obviously, the final, he thinks he's given back the gold, doesn't realize he's got one last piece in his pocket.
Lee Thinks he's safe in the car, and all of a sudden Herzog's next to the next to the car.
Lee Um and we assume that that's it and he dies.
Lee But actually, the the second film follows on exactly from that scene.
Lee He gets his arm in through the window, but the guy manages to escape.
Lee But the link to Evil Dead 2, and again, it's in the first five minutes of the film, so it's not giving too much away.
Lee Herzog loses his arm and it falls in the car with our blood scared doctor.
Lee He ends up in a car wreck where he loses his arm, they find Herzog's arm.
Adam Oh no, he's already cut his arm off, hasn't he by that point?
Lee Yes.
Lee Uh that's right, yes, so they find Herzog's arm.
Adam He cuts it off before the end of before the end of this one, yeah.
Lee You're right, sorry, yeah.
Lee Um, so he has a car wreck, they find the arm in the car, assume it's his, reconnect it.
Lee Um, so he wakes up in the hospital, they assume he has killed all of his friends.
Lee He's trying to convince them that he hasn't, but the arm is trying to murder all of the nurses.
Adam So the arm is still under Herzog's power, right, okay, yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Very Evil Dead 2 then, yeah, I can see that.
Lee Massively.
Lee Um, but yeah, so it's obviously got a much bigger budget, the second film, the effects and stuff are more.
Lee The effects in this were great, but they've got more like CGI type, but good CGI still.
Lee Um like not not overused.
Lee But yeah, so I only watched half of it because I haven't seen the second one in a long time.
Lee Um, but yeah, it's it's definitely worth a watch if you like this, as I say, the fact that it's in English as well, makes it that bit easier to have on.
Lee It's it's a bit of a background movie.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Um, but yeah, it's it again, it's great fun, stupid over the top gore and the same type of comedy.
Lee It's just more of the same, it's just like add an extra hour and a half onto the end of this film really.
Chris Alright, I could handle that.
Adam That was that was the thing is I was saying to Claire is that there's an element where I feel this would be a party movie.
Adam Apart from the fact that it's subtitled and I don't and I don't know why that is, but that just doesn't seem to translate to it, because it's like.
Chris It makes you like stare at it.
Adam Because you because you because you are concentrating, you can't be off picking drinks or rolling funny-looking cigarettes or.
Chris Yeah.
Chris It's fun because you can have a film on and not have the sound on necessarily, but when you see the subtitles, you like, I'll just read that, I'll just read that next bit, like.
Adam Oddly enough, I was I did then say, but you stick it on on the tellies in a club during a metal night and people would just be over the fucking moon with it.
Adam Because, you know, it's it's a good.
Adam I mean, what is this, 20 minutes of set up and then it's pretty much zombie attacks.
Adam After.
Chris Zombie attack and blood and guts and everything else like that.
Chris I.
Adam I mean, I have to say, I mean, I watching it, I was like.
Adam I don't know if it's got for for me, I don't know if it's got a lot of repeated value.
Adam In so much as I watched it and I was like, oh yeah, I remember and as it was going on, I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that bit and I remember that bit and everything like that.
Adam So I think there is probably because.
Chris It's not like there's too many twists or you know what I mean, I think.
Chris You truly learn, but yeah, if you just want straightforward entertainment.
Adam But definitely just just as a sort of like a madness.
Adam Because there is a film uh there is a film it reminds me a bit of and that's basically undead Nazis.
Adam It's a film called Shock Waves.
Adam Um, but I think.
Lee I haven't seen that.
Adam Peter Cushing and um John Carradine.
Lee I've got it and I've never seen it, I know it's an absolute classic, but I've never seen it.
Adam Yeah, and it it's very uh that's basically scuba Nazis scuba Nazi zombies.
Adam So it always seems I was that's the other thing is it seems to be Nazi zombies have to involve a medium of some sort.
Adam So obviously this is Nazi zombies on ice which.
Adam frankly, anyone would go to if they had it at the hotel.
Adam Um and that is uh that is Nazi zombies underwater with Peter Cushing.
Adam So it's sort of yeah, it does sort of feed into the sort of thing.
Adam But Shock Waves is is serious for want of a better expression, you know, whereas this is, you know, this is properly for laughs.
Adam I mean, I have to say, I think I have not.
Adam That bit that I felt an absolute kinship, which is where they're getting all ready and feeling battle ready and sort of everything, throws the Molotov cocktail, misses the window, burns the place down.
Adam And I thought, yep, that's exactly what I'd fucking do cuz I'm a fucking idiot.
Lee I love that.
Lee Because it's the thing that never happens in films.
Lee They always throw them and they go exactly where they're supposed.
Adam They're always confident, they're always competent, that's the word I'm looking for, yeah.
Lee Yeah, burning down the building that you're hiding in because you missed the window is just genius.
Lee I just laughed so hard at that.
Adam I also have to say, what the fuck is up with that girl?
Adam There's people swinging shotguns and knives and chainsaws and axes.
Adam Don't gently tap them on the shoulder.
Lee That's.
Adam Like, don't creep up, that's how you frankly, not pushing the victim blame, that's how you get a fucking axe in the neck, you silly cow.
Adam Because that just don't do that, make yourself very well known.
Chris But again, they're the mistakes that people do make.
Chris And afterwards you go, why? I just didn't think, I don't know.
Adam Like.
Adam Although the most serious thing is back to the back to the film nerd on the loo.
Lee Yeah.
Adam That girl goes and sucks his fingers, he hadn't even washed his hands.
Lee Even he said no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Lee Like, I kind of get it, they're in a cabin, I'm guessing I didn't see any other room, so I don't know if they're all just sleeping in one room, so therefore there's no privacy, so the only privacy is that.
Lee But wait outside until he's finished and then go in there with him, don't just jump in while he's halfway through, that is the least sexy sex scene I've seen in my life.
Adam Lingering in the smell of his lead.
Chris And and it wasn't like really short either.
Adam Yeah.
Lee I I love that thing that once he'd slept with her as well, when she went missing, he was just like, ah, she's probably about somewhere.
Lee If he hadn't slept with her, he'd have been the first one out there looking for her.
Lee Yeah, but once he had sex, he was like, ah.
Adam Yeah, I did think you fucking need mates like that.
Adam And there's some of them are worried and some of them just could not give a flying fuck.
Adam And I'm just thinking.
Adam Regardless of Nazi zombies.
Adam That is there's no way you're going to survive out on those fucking mountains.
Lee No.
Adam It's like, you know, uncovered, you that's it, you're fucked.
Adam But still no one was like, nah, she'll be all right.
Lee That was the thing that spoilt that for me because I did every time you saw them in that cabin and you saw the big thick heavy snow outside and they were in that lovely warm cabin with the fire and they were drinking beer and playing games, I was like, that looks like a weekend I could get behind, that looks so good.
Lee Until somebody says, I've got to go to the toilet and you see this shed outside and I was like, you know, that's the point I'd check out and walk back to the car, I think.
Lee I couldn't walk outside in that every time I leave here, that's ridiculous.
Adam But I think yeah, there's like you say, there is there is a no one safe policy with it, which is rather.
Adam You know, there's there's not an obvious person who's going to make it to the end.
Lee No.
Adam At any point, which is.
Lee I'd assume it was the guy on the snowmobile because I thought he's definitely going to be there.
Chris Yeah, the film is desperate to tell you how cool and capable he is.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And then it turns out.
Chris Yeah, like it went proper Rambo.
Adam No, he's not, no, he's not, yeah.
Adam Which which again is you know, a fantastic sort of way to undermine it as well.
Adam And I think there's just.
Chris It's the right style.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And I mean just even down to the fact that they're facing off against like 10, whatever it is, and then the whole fucking mountain side erupts in a in what I'm assuming is a battalion or a division or so you know.
Adam A fuckload.
Adam And it's like, yeah, no, that's taken a.
Lee Which again, that's the thing, once you realize that they can come back again, you're like, well, there's always going to be 300 of them, like, it doesn't matter what you do, they're always going to come back, they might not be in a good state, but they're going to keep coming back and there's always going to be all 300 of them, you're like, oh shit, yeah, they really nothing they do is going to get them out of this.
Adam Also has to be said, I was very, I was very taken with the idea of killing Nazis with a hammer and sickle, comrade.
Lee Yes.
Lee I love that symbolism as well, I saw that this time and picked up on that.
Lee Exactly, I love this film, but I like you, Adam, I've probably only seen it, so I saw it with you.
Lee I think I'd I'd watched it once more in the first few months, maybe the first year of it coming out, then when it came out on Blu-ray and I got it on Blu-ray, I watched it then again.
Lee Again, I don't think it's come off the shelf since and it's not because I don't like it, but it is just because it's quite a straightforward as you say, linear story.
Lee Yeah.
Adam It is what it is.
Adam I think I've watched it that first time that we watched it maybe once since and once more since then apart from for watching for this.
Adam Um, but.
Adam And I'll tell you what, I think as well, because obviously, like we've done uh we we've done um let the right one in, we at some point we really have to do Troll Hunter because I just want A, I want to see Chris's reaction to it and also B, it's just a fucking good excuse to watch Troll Hunter.
Adam Which you know.
Adam Because I think I think that's a film that has it's a different a far different sensibility because that works in the same way as say, um, I don't know, something like, well, in the documentary sense of something like what we do in the Shadows or something like that, but there's so much in there as well that that is going on and it's not sort of it's not a straightforward um plot in in the way that this is this you could make Dead Snow seriously if you see what I mean.
Adam Thankfully, they made it funny because I think actually it would be less of a film to just this straightforward.
Lee I think.
Lee It'd stand out as much.
Adam I think.
Lee That's what I mean.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I think the comedy is so.
Lee So good and so funny.
Lee Hmm.
Lee Yeah, I think that's that's why it works so again, like we've said, comedy horror are just just so good and so much fun.
Lee Yeah, I do think they've they bear up to rewatching more and then become more memorable as well.
Lee Because like you say, you know, the burning down the cabin and stuff, oh and coming out with the snowmobile with a massive great big anti-tank gun attached to the front.
Lee Like.
Lee Loads are the things that stick in your memory.
Lee A serious film, if you've not got them, you're like, ah, it's another zombie Nazi film, you know.
Adam Well, also, you can't you can't put those bits in.
Adam In the serious sense because you keep it at that point and that because there's nothing worse than.
Adam I want to be serious and now you're laughing.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, at least you know, subvert is go the other way and it's like, right, if we make this deliberately funny, people might not fucking laugh.
Adam But at least we haven't made something deathly serious that people are pissing themselves laughing at, yeah.
Adam You know, that's probably the the better of the two options, I think.
Adam You know.
Adam But um but I mean certainly I I would if I'm glad you've sort of said about it because I was like, I'd forgot.
Adam To be honest, I'd totally forgotten that there was a sequel as well.
Adam So I hadn't.
Adam I hadn't.
Adam So I hadn't just sort of like it wasn't just not watching uh not having seen this for so long.
Adam But um yeah, I'd totally forgotten they'd done a sequel.
Lee Well, it was about six years.
Lee Like five, six years later.
Lee There was a long gap before it came out.
Adam Which normally.
Adam Yeah, cuz well, like I say, I think he did like five or six films in between or, you know.
Adam Um.
Adam He also did something called it sounded really intriguing like he's done like a.
Adam It was like a sci-fi film called whatever happened to Monday.
Chris Hmm.
Adam Or something like that.
Adam Which.
Lee Oh, I vaguely remember that, I think that was a Netflix movie.
Lee Because I remember keep seeing it, it was one of those ones they kept from up to every time you logged in the Netflix.
Lee It kept putting it to the top of your list every time.
Adam And.
Adam Somebody like me go, fuck you, Netflix.
Lee Exactly.
Adam It is always the way.
Adam It's like I I don't know why they can't figure that out.
Lee More they push it, the less I want to watch it.
Adam The the best thing they could do is they just keep if if they just kept sending out things saying.
Adam Look, please remember that this film is not on Netflix.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And everyone will be like, why is it not on Netflix? Why is it been taken off Netflix? I'm a grownup, I can see it, I pay good money, why can't I see it?
Adam And then, that's what it fucking goes.
Adam But you keep saying to people like, piss off, I don't want to.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know, you want to hard don't hard sell it.
Adam But yeah, and that that looks really sort of quite intriguing and I don't know because I mean what's the what's the sort of mood with mood?
Adam Like the tone with Hansel and Gretel.
Adam Is that sort of still playful or.
Lee Yeah, yes.
Lee It is.
Lee So, yeah, so it definitely it so it isn't all out comedy.
Lee Hmm.
Lee But it doesn't take itself seriously either, it's uh it's kind of somewhere in between.
Lee Which which I think is why I like it.
Lee Because it's.
Lee Yeah, I mean, it's daft and it knows it's daft.
Lee But yeah, it doesn't kind of over-egg it and it doesn't try to be a full-on horror comedy because it definitely isn't.
Lee Um.
Adam No.
Lee But yeah, no, I I'd really like it, I just be keen to know what you think, because I know you didn't see it, but I was very keen to see it when it first came out.
Lee Um it sort of had that Van Helsing type look to it in the trailer.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And it's not dissimilar to Van Helsing in its kind of style and pacing really.
Chris Yeah.
Chris So I want you to see.
Adam Yeah, cuz Van Helsing's definitely got that that feel to it.
Adam The um that's kind of it's in that sort of.
Adam I suppose that sort of Indiana Jones sort of thing, like an adventure sort of setup, rather than a straight ahead horror setup.
Adam I remember I remember really enjoying um Van Helsing.
Adam I mean, it's not it's not a classic by any means of any of the examples of the monsters in it.
Adam No.
Adam But as a monster mash, like, you know, and you've got the universal monsters.
Adam So, you know.
Adam Were they I'm this is just a weird recall.
Adam And I I I think I'm going off track here.
Adam I'm pretty sure, did they make figures for Van Helsing?
Lee Oh, I don't know.
Lee I wouldn't be surprised.
Adam I'm going to have to look this up because I'm pretty sure I remember the Frankenstein's monster from that like a figure that sort of fell apart like he could take bits of his head off.
Adam Anyway, I'll take that offline and I will actually look.
Adam And.
Adam Because.
Adam Just.
Adam Yeah, because that was another one of those things where it's just that weird thing every so often they try and get.
Adam The universal horrors like they try and get it back off the ground and it always faulters.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Not necessarily through anyone's fault, I think it's just sort of like it might just be that they never they either never time it right or they just don't quite swing it in some way or another.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I you're you're right, absolutely, and I've got the same relationship with Van Helsing.
Lee I know.
Lee It's the same thing as I've got yeah with Hansel and Gretel.
Lee In that.
Lee I know it's not a good movie.
Lee I'm well aware of that.
Lee But there's something about it that I just find endearing and I enjoy watching.
Lee And I.
Lee And those two films have got the same, I mean, I've watched them both of those films, I would say I've seen them both half a dozen times.
Lee Which is more than some stuff that I'm like, oh, this is an absolute stone cold classic.
Lee Like, okay, well how many times have you seen it? Twice, and you've seen Hansel and Gretel witch hunters how many times? Probably eight.
Lee Like.
Lee Like it's it it it's.
Lee There's no sense to it, but again, it's just one of those that's just fun and you check your brain at the door, you don't have to think about it, you don't have to set the mode and let the ambiance take it, it's just a daft fun.
Lee It it's like it feels like um like a universal ride.
Lee Like it's that type of a of a feel to it, like a universal roller coaster.
Lee Yeah, and it it just works for me, so.
Lee I I regret nothing.
Adam This will probably date this, but uh they have announced today the name of the universal park that they're doing in Bedford.
Lee Oh, have they?
Adam It's the universal United Kingdom Resort is what they're going to call it, apparently.
Adam So.
Lee Oh, that's not very imaginative about that.
Chris Says says what it is.
Adam Yep.
Adam So, but you never know that that could be that's when they resurrect it.
Adam That's when they have the Van Helsing ride.
Lee Oh God, I definitely go if I had a Van Helsing ride.
Adam Still, it's uh but yeah, I mean, Van Helsing still an entertaining film.
Adam I also have an affection for it for seeing it on the screens at uh Frankenstein 1888.
Lee Yes.
Lee Yes, while we sat in there drinking cocktails in Edinburgh.
Adam It was Glasgow, wasn't it?
Lee Was what?
Adam It was Glasgow.
Chris That's that's how many cocktails were drunk.
Lee It was, yes, so yes, so I went with you to Glasgow and then we got another one in Edinburgh, which I've also been to.
Lee Yeah, yeah.
Lee Yeah, so yeah, you're right.
Lee That's how good the cocktails were.
Lee I didn't even know what city I was in.
Lee That's great.
Lee Uh yes.
Lee So, yes, so that.
Lee Dead Snow definite recommend for me.
Lee Um it's yeah, it's daft, it's fun, it again, it's a short 90 minutes or thereabouts, it's not a long film, I don't think.
Adam Yeah, no, it's it's it's um yeah, I think it's 90, yeah.
Lee A 91 minutes.
Lee Yeah, yeah.
Lee Oh, there we go.
Lee But yeah, and as you say, it is it's that no setup.
Lee No messing about, you get 15 minutes to find out what everybody's name is and then you're and then you get the scary harbinger turns up and then it's just zombie, zombie, zombie right through to the end.
Lee It's it's great.
Lee Um.
Lee Yes.
Lee So our next episode is going to be episode 250.
Adam Ooh.
Chris That's pretty good.
Lee I can't believe we're still here.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Um can't believe we're still alive.
Adam Huh.
Lee Um yes, so we're going to do something different, so uh we're not going to announce it, we're just going to drop it and you can find out what we've uh come up with.
Lee But yeah, so there's no homework for the next episode, so you've got plenty of time to go and watch um Dead Snow, I I'm definitely going to we are definitely going to have to put Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters and Troll Hunter on for our uh.
Lee Under.
Lee Under our list of must do films before we all finally yeah, stop doing this, because I need to cover both of those, because they're both great fun, so yeah, just so much fun.
Lee And again, Chris.
Chris Now we've got to 250, we've got to get to 500.
Lee Ah.
Lee An episode.
Adam I was speaking.
Adam 300.
Chris Yeah.
Chris There we go.
Chris We've said it.
Adam Very ambitious, Chris, I love it.
Lee Yeah, one of my favorite podcasts has just made it to episode 666.
Adam Last podcast.
Lee He's lost.
Lee Podcast.
Adam Yes.
Adam Cuz I was I was I've been funnily enough, I've been watching it on Netflix.
Adam Because.
Adam Claire's really been introduced to them via Tik Tok cuz they just show clips on there of like their the Twitch the Twitch streaming and stuff like that.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Um.
Adam So yeah, so we've been watching it on there, which is uh a lot of fun.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, I'm very tempted to go back to a Netflix subscription, I haven't had it for a while, because I went for a phase of everything I wanted to watch was never on there.
Lee I say it was just always full of stuff that I had no interest in, but yeah, I think I might have to go back to a subscription for a while just to uh to catch up on all that stuff.
Adam Ours.
Adam Ours is literally because Claire phoned up and got our um phoned up Virgin got our package reduced.
Adam Um.
Adam It was it was the only way, otherwise I'd be dressing everywhere now.
Adam Um.
Adam But um yeah, we got the package.
Adam And while they were there, they went, you know, you get like a Netflix subscription if you want it, like what for free?
Adam And she went, yeah, I'm like, all right then.
Adam So that's literally why we've got it.
Adam But yeah.
Adam That's I think and that's pretty much all we're watching on there is last podcast.
Lee I can't remember if I mentioned it on the episode.
Lee I think I might have discovered it just after, so just after we did our Call of Cthulhu episode.
Lee They released the trailer for the new Minions movie.
Adam Yes, yeah, you did mention it on the episode.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I did.
Lee Oh, okay.
Lee Right.
Lee Yeah, so I'm still looking forward to that, but uh yeah, it is yet to materialize, we shall see.
Lee Anyway, we've waffled on long enough, thank you ever so much for listening, everybody.
Lee Go and check out Dead Snow, uh go and check out um uh yeah, don't check out uh Troll Hunter and Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters.
Lee Because we will be returning with those as episodes shortly.
Lee Um and we'll see you for a big celebratory episode.
Lee Uh in a fortnight's time.
Lee Thanks very much for listening.
Lee Good night.
Adam Good night.
Chris Good night.
Adam Good night.
Lee I'm going to look at the website, Chris has made it lovelier, even lovelier.
