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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The Power of We Have Been Watching”. Yes! Get it here. If by “it” you mean a rundown of all the stuff the Welcome To Horror team have been sticking in their faces in between episodes. We discuss Guillermo del Toro’s “Frankenstein” (2025); Korean horror “The Wailing” (2016); true crime/folk horror documentary “The Last Sacrifice” (2024); “From Dusk Til Dawn” (1996); “Heretic” (2024); 70s anthology series “Orson Welles’ Great Mysteries”; “The Substance” (2024); David Lean’s “Blithe Spirit” (1945); and Brontë Schiltz’s Miskatonic Institute of Horror Studies lecture on “Televisual Gothic”. There should be no need to prep for this ep, but listeners beware, as here be (possible) spoilers and (definite) swearing. Join us!
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- Miskatonic Institute of Horror Studies talk on Televisual Gothic
And um, but yeah, so uh, but it's the it's an ongoing series they called the Miskatonic Institute of Horror Studies. And they've been running for years, I've I've sort of I went to a I think I went to one quite early on, there was one I was meant to go to and then it got canceled, and basically I'm always sort of aware of it and just sort of seeing what's what's on. Um, but I went to a talk by Bronte Schiltz called Televisual Gothic, mediation, manipulation and exploitation in British broadcasting. And it's basically sort of going running from Nigel Kneale, who did Quatermass and the Stone Tape and stuff. And it was sort of like a look at how television sort of the definition of television Gothic, which is basically the nasty side of television, how it intrudes into life and how it's sort of been viewed over the years. So not just television but the idea of recording mediums and things like that. So it was covering stuff like the first Quatermass story ends with a live broadcast from Westminster Abbey, where the aliens have the alien has infected the very building and it's sort of broadcast live. But how that has changed over the time that it was people won't believe it till they've seen it on the telly to the point now where people don't believe it because they've seen it on the telly and have realized that telly is another means of lying to you or manipulating you, etcetera, etcetera. And it was really just a really good talk if if um, if they're doing it again, I would sort of I would recommend getting the chance to to see it. Because they like, mostly it was initially starts off with Nigel Kneale, so it's Quatermass and Quatermass and the Pit. Because they're the ones that have the sort of television angle, because again, the end of Quatermass and the Pit takes place during a live broadcast from the Pit. And then they did Year of the Sex Olympics, which is Nigel Kneale's thing, which I I don't know it would cover, I don't know if it's something we'd cover, but it's science fiction, but essentially Year of the Sex Olympics predicts reality TV before reality TV. This is like, it was like 1968 and basically it's set in the future where a population the TVs are used to sort of just nullify the population by just giving them everything they want, like meaningless entertainment, pornography and everything else like that. Yeah, very much so and people were sort of like, basically the audience have just become nullified and the producers are all like, well, what's the next big thing, how can we get it and then someone is accidentally killed live on air. Yeah, and someone's accidentally killed live on air so the and the audience figures go through the roof because they actually enjoy it and the audience are pissing themselves laughing at this man sprawled across the floor and stuff like that. … Yeah, so they come up with the concept that if you go to if why don't we do a show where we get people to live on an island and we'll film them 24 hours a day. And they start doing that and then because that's not quite as exciting as it could be, the producers then send in a murderer. To um, sort of like and it's and again, it's a well worth checking out, but then sort of moved on, talked about Ghost Watch. And again, with that sort of thing of the manipulation of TV and also the fact that particularly from the BBC where it's always very much is a middle-class sort of thing but pumped mostly into working-class homes that with that sort of like, well, we know better, don't we? And it's like, yes, you know better enough to have caused a fucking a mass seance and Michael Parkinson to wander around singing Mary Had a Little Lamb. And it's yeah, and just sort of talking about that and Doctor Who was involved, Doctor Who was mentioned and stuff, but also something I'd never heard of before called Red Rose. Which sounds like very much in the Black Mirror sense, because it moved on to talking about reality TV where obviously a lot of reality TV shows have been linked to real-life tragedy where people have topped themselves because of how it's gone and things like that. And moving into social media where essentially, you know, YouTube and TikTok are telly these days, where you have the opportunity to be either the content provider or the focus of the content whether you're willing to or not.
- Year of the Sex Olympics connections and casting
Well, I mean, and the weird thing is obviously Big Brother coming from 1984 and Nigel Kneale had also done an adaption of 1984. So it's inextricably linked. Uh, two more reasons to recommend the Year of the Sex Olympics would be a very young Brian Cox and Leonard Rossiter are two of the main characters in it, so yeah.
- Dubbing vs. Subtitling in foreign films
And it's something that even even in the sort of traditional method of that, you run the risk of someone who is like an un, you know, someone not getting the thing correctly. I forget what it was, I think it was I'm pretty sure it was Aguirre Wrath of God, I was watching it, and I tried watching it with the English dub. And the English dub seemed to be much more sort of I don't know, sort of received pronunciation for want of a better word, you know, everything was sort of in medieval language or whatever like that, whereas the subtitled version was very much colloquial, sort of felt modern, and I don't know, because I can't, because I don't speak German, I didn't know which way round it was, whether it was something that they'd done, you know, like something like say the Witch, where they've done it in the language of its time. Or whether it's one of those ones where they've actually gone, no, we'll just do it colloquially so people understand from a modern audience perspective, we'll use modern language. Because like the subtitles were like, hey, you guys, messing about in that river. Whereas the the dubbed version was like, those men over there.
- Guillermo del Toro's use of practical effects
That's that's that's Guillermo del Toro, he will he will use practical where he can and he enhances with CGI, which is kind of the best, the best you can hope for, really, that's the best way you can do it.
- The Last Sacrifice documentary and the Charles Walton murder
Uh, well, I'm kind of still reasonably up to date here as well, because this is actually from 2024. Um, but I watched it's literally just come on a lot of the streaming sites, because it's been doing the festival circuit for a little while, um, and it is a film feature length documentary called The Last Sacrifice. And it's directed by Rupert Russell, son of Ken Russell, and um, who actually is quite, you know, has done a lot of documentary filmmaking and stuff. But this is this looks at the still unsolved murder of Charles Walton, um, who was killed in a Warwickshire village called Lower Quinton in 1945. And it's one of those cases that has sort of spiralled out because it's never been solved, but basically this poor sod was found pinned to the floor with his own pitchfork, and a bill hook through his neck and, you know. And a bill hook through his neck and, you know, and but it became as time went on. Basically, Fabian of the Yard came and tried to solve it and couldn't get anything out of the locals. Presumably because, yeah, you're a stranger, you're up from that London, you're not going to, you know, no one wants to help them anyway. Um, but he he didn't solve the case and then it became a bit of a sort of hotspot for investigators of sort of, you know, people like people who investigated witchcraft and like Margaret Murray went there and, you know, various people over the time and sort of and the case had sort of spiralled out from a particularly gruesome murder to the point where it's like, is it human sacrifice? Is this related to and basically this looking at this unsolved murder and it's sort of um, how it influenced folk horror. And the sort of that movement within British films and everything. And it is packed to the gills with um sort of for want of a better expression, quotes as like sort of clips from various horror movies. Obviously the Wicker Man is in there and, I mean, it practically, I mean, most of it, it's it's almost like our like our output for the past year. As as a because like they they do Blood on Satan's Claw, Plague of the Zombies gets is in there, The Witches, Curse of the Crimson Altar, Virgin Witch and all things like that. So they're using those as illustrative clips of how this murder has sort of spiralled out into folklore and created bigger myths around itself rather than just, you know, in a way it's now got to the point where it's never going to be solved and never going to be solved to satisfaction because there's far too much in it now that people are like, well, until you actually prove that every single person in that village is a fucking pagan. You know, and there's there's really great talking heads in there, Jonathan Jonathan Rigby is in there, who's always great fun anyway, but there's also like people who um were with um, like with um witchcraft there's sort of like some lovely there's a woman on there who was like involved with Alexanders and stuff and. She uh sort of talking about, oh well, you know, me and my friend went to this place and they said do you want to be part of a satanic ritual and I said, well, in for a penny, in for a pound. And um, you know, and just just this lovely sort of mixture of the prosaic with also but, you know, trying to look at this from a point of view of what actually did happen with this crime, but also the fact that it is resonated through so much pop culture and horror pop culture from Britain since.
- Sophie Thatcher's role in Book of Boba Fett
Sophie Thatcher, she was in um she was in Book of Boba Fett, I think.
- Orson Welles Great Mysteries series
Very quickly, it is on YouTube, all of it, 26 episodes. Orson Welles Great Mysteries, it's an anthology series. Um, and you're adapting there's original stuff in there, but also adapt stories by like Wilkie Collins, Arthur Conan Doyle, Dorothy L. Sayers, Dickens, Balzac. And um, basically it's uh, yeah, an anthology show. They got all these great um sort of stories in there and you've got amazing cast members. You got Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Donald Pleasence, John Collins, Jeffrey Bayldon, Joss Ackland, it's, you know, proper really good actors. Really solid stuff, some fascinating things in there, and the added treat that each one is presented by Orson Welles in extreme close-up because he's a vain man who by this point is the size of a fucking house and has decided that he's going to introduce them.
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Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee And we are here for a what we've been watching extravaganza.
Lee It's been a while since we've done one of these, so we've had to narrow down our watch lists.
Lee But there will be swearing, there might be spoilers, and I mean, who knows, we'll see what happens.
Lee So, Adam, let's start with you this time.
Adam Okay.
Adam right, first thing, this is something that unfortunately no one else can watch, but tough shit, it was just good.
Adam but I went to a talk at the at the Horse Hospital in Bloomsbury in London, just around the corner from Russell, Russell Tube, Russell Square Tube.
Adam So I was able to walk through there with the Fang to Death line on my headphones as well, so that was just fun.
Adam And but yeah, so but it's the it's an ongoing series they called the Miskatonic Institute of Horror Studies.
Adam And they've been running for years, I've I've sort of I went to a I think I went to one quite early on, there was one I was meant to go to and then it got canceled, and basically I'm always sort of aware of it and just sort of seeing what's what's on.
Adam but I went to a talk by Bronte Schiltz called Televisual Gothic, mediation, manipulation and exploitation in British broadcasting.
Adam And it's basically sort of going running from Nigel Kneale, who did Quatermass and the Stone Tape and stuff.
Adam And it was sort of like a look at how television sort of the definition of television Gothic, which is basically the nasty side of television, how it intrudes into life and how it's sort of been viewed over the years.
Adam So not just television but the idea of recording mediums and things like that.
Adam So it was covering stuff like the first Quatermass story ends with a live broadcast from Westminster Abbey, where the aliens have the alien has infected the very building and it's sort of broadcast live.
Adam But how that has changed over the time that it was people won't believe it till they've seen it on the telly to the point now where people don't believe it because they've seen it on the telly and have realized that telly is another means of lying to you or manipulating you, etcetera, etcetera.
Adam And it was really just a really good talk if if if they're doing it again, I would sort of I would recommend getting the chance to to see it.
Adam Because they like, mostly it was initially starts off with Nigel Kneale, so it's Quatermass and Quatermass and the Pit.
Adam Because they're the ones that have the sort of television angle, because again, the end of Quatermass and the Pit takes place during a live broadcast from the Pit.
Adam And then they did Year of the Sex Olympics, which is Nigel Kneale's thing, which I I don't know it would cover, I don't know if it's something we'd cover, but it's science fiction, but essentially Year of the Sex Olympics predicts reality TV before reality TV.
Adam This is like, it was like 1968 and basically it's set in the future where a population the TVs are used to sort of just nullify the population by just giving them everything they want, like meaningless entertainment, pornography and everything else like that.
Chris That sounds like a Black Mirror precursor.
Adam Yeah, very much so and people were sort of like, basically the audience have just become nullified and the producers are all like, well, what's the next big thing, how can we get it and then someone is accidentally killed live on air.
Chris Well, this this feeds into Running Man.
Adam Yeah, and someone's accidentally killed live on air so the and the audience figures go through the roof because they actually enjoy it and the audience are pissing themselves laughing at this man sprawled across the floor and stuff like that.
Chris What's the new hanging in a public square now?
Adam Yeah, so they come up with the concept that if you go to if why don't we do a show where we get people to live on an island and we'll film them 24 hours a day.
Adam And they start doing that and then because that's not quite as exciting as it could be, the producers then send in a murderer.
Adam To sort of like and it's and again, it's a well worth checking out, but then sort of moved on, talked about Ghost Watch.
Adam And again, with that sort of thing of the manipulation of TV and also the fact that particularly from the BBC where it's always very much is a middle-class sort of thing but pumped mostly into working-class homes that with that sort of like, well, we know better, don't we? And it's like, yes, you know better enough to have caused a fucking a mass seance and
Adam Michael Parkinson to wander around singing Mary Had a Little Lamb.
Adam And it's yeah, and just sort of talking about that and Doctor Who was involved, Doctor Who was mentioned and stuff, but also something I'd never heard of before called Red Rose.
Adam Which sounds like very much in the Black Mirror sense, because it moved on to talking about reality TV where obviously a lot of reality TV shows have been linked to real-life tragedy where people have topped themselves because of how it's gone and things like that.
Adam And moving into social media where essentially, you know, YouTube and TikTok are telly these days, where you have the opportunity to be either the content provider or the focus of the content whether you're willing to or not.
Adam And it's sort of yeah, it was just a really interesting study.
Adam I also just love the horse hospital because it is a wonderful little arts venue that until I went there, I hadn't actually fully realized just was previously a hospital for horses.
Adam Because you go in there and it's just like a little it's like a little sort of brick like sort of Victorian brick building.
Adam With a ramp where obviously they would lead them in so they could sort of look after them and stuff like that.
Adam And it's just yeah, just a great little venue, really good experience.
Adam I saw Jason was there as well, Jason Bron, who was at Worldwide Weird, so I got to speak, got to have a chat with him as well.
Adam So he's a he's a regular fixture, I don't think that man ever goes home, I think he just appears at all these sort of things.
Adam but yeah, so saw him down there as well, and yeah, just a really good night.
Lee That's great.
Adam That that's that and it's left me a lot to chew on as well, which is really good.
Lee Sounds good.
Lee So I've not seen Year of the Sex Olympics, I remember you talking about it for decades, and it's one of those things that I've just never, you've mentioned it, and every time you do, I think, oh yeah, that sounds really interesting, you know, like as you say, seeing Big Brother decades before it happened.
Lee Like, I should, you get the impression they wanted to call Big Brother Year of the Sex Olympics because it's more fitting, but they couldn't because they'd have just pulled in the wrong crowd, I'm assuming, or the right crowd.
Adam Well, I mean, and the weird thing is obviously Big Brother coming from 1984 and Nigel Kneale had also done an adaption of 1984.
Adam So it's inextricably linked.
Adam two more reasons to recommend the Year of the Sex Olympics would be a very young Brian Cox and Leonard Rossiter are two of the main characters in it, so yeah.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Chris, what have you been watching?
Chris Yeah, so mine very nicely progressed from yeah, this is pretty decent, right up to, oh my God, how have we not been talking about this film? And you're probably going to tell me, we have talked about it, and you've both seen it, and I just totally missed that. Anyway, right, so I'm going to start off with the first one, of course.
Chris And it is the Wailing, 2016, which is a Korean, essentially sort of a folk horror blended with a police procedural.
Adam Oh.
Chris I guess I'd say a I'd say a bumbling police procedural.
Adam -huh.
Chris And and you don't know where it's going really, and it's it's got elements of everything, it's it's got psychological, it's got infection, superstition, so yeah, you know, you're you're wondering which way is it going to go all the way to the end.
Chris And yeah, decent acting.
Chris I did try out I watched it on Prime, and I didn't know this was a thing, apparently they've got AI voice over now, so it must translate the Korean into an English sounding voice.
Chris I thought, let's turn it on just to see, and, you know, it works for some things, it's one of those where you're like, this is both mind-blowing and still kind of rubbish.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Oh my God.
Chris Because it's like, it's amazing how good it is, and yet it doesn't even reach the uncanny valley, yeah.
Chris It's still like, yeah, no, that's really not right, even though that's that's fantastic what you've done, it still doesn't fit what's going on here perfectly.
Chris So, you know, I'm sure eventually it's going to be perfect, you know, fine.
Chris The downside of course is, there's people out of jobs, so it's not great, really.
Adam Well, it's like when you see it on YouTube when, you know, the sort of the AI generated subtitles.
Chris Yes.
Chris They're always slightly off. They're always one word. I mean, I would say, I would say that's a lot better still compared to this.
Chris Now, you probably it probably depends on the film to some degree, but because you know, it can manage to do whispers and you're like, that's pretty good, but it's still probably not quite what they're doing here.
Chris So, you know, anyway, I I turned it on and off a few times just to see, and probably I still would recommend not using it for certain films, probably this one.
Chris But but yeah, so so the film itself is is very good, and it definitely big psychological and there's some really, really horrible bits that you know, they it it does involve a child and it's it's, you know, possession.
Chris So it's it's not horrible in one way, but it's still pretty gritty, and yeah, I would I would recommend it.
Chris Now, I was just going to say, I did have the director director and writer Nah Hong-jin.
Chris However, I have not heard of them, I don't know what else they've done.
Adam I mean, I'll be honest, the Wailing is a new one on me.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I've not heard of it either, but I'm definitely going to watch it now.
Lee Because I mean, it sounds fantastic, really.
Chris Yeah, it's got all the elements you would want, really.
Chris So yeah, recommendation from me.
Adam Also, let's face it, if there's one if there's, you know, in terms of horror horror cinema and that kind of thing, you know, Korean cinema is you know, they're definitely getting some things right. It's going to be fucking great.
Lee Yeah, yeah.
Adam They very rarely miss the mark, Korean horror is exceptional.
Lee Yes, so yeah, that is going on my watch list.
Lee Thank you very much.
Lee Chris, and I'm very excited, again, I'd be very keen to know, so we did, because the thing is with those films, I don't want them remade.
Lee But equally, I end up having to watch them twice, because I spend so much time reading, especially with Korean and Japanese, because they speak so much faster, by the time I've finished reading, the action stopped, and I've looked up.
Lee Because I watch it on quite a big screen, it's a it's a bit of an idiot.
Lee So yeah, so this replacing the voices is an excellent idea, however, it's getting the intonation, that'd be the interesting.
Chris So that's it, so that's where I was fascinated to see, yeah, you're absolutely right to bring that up and it does get it, I think correct some of the time, but not enough for me to go, switch to that completely.
Chris But, you know, check it out.
Lee That's fantastic though. I mean it's one thing getting it getting voice capture and then getting a word to read it, but getting it to read it and sound panicked when it should be panicked and relaxed when it should be relaxed, that's a whole algorithm ball game that I can't even conceive, that's mental.
Adam And it's something that even even in the sort of traditional method of that, you run the risk of someone who is like an un, you know, someone not getting the thing correctly.
Adam I forget what it was, I think it was I'm pretty sure it was Aguirre Wrath of God, I was watching it, and I tried watching it with the English dub.
Lee
Adam And the English dub seemed to be much more sort of I don't know, sort of received pronunciation for want of a better word, you know, everything was sort of in medieval language or whatever like that, whereas the subtitled version was very much colloquial, sort of felt modern, and I don't know, because I can't, because I don't speak German, I didn't know which way round it was, whether it was something that they'd done, you know, like something like say the Witch, where they've done it in the language of its time.
Adam Or whether it's one of those ones where they've actually gone, no, we'll just do it colloquially so people understand from a modern audience perspective, we'll use modern language.
Adam Because like the subtitles were like, hey, you guys, messing about in that river.
Lee Oh.
Adam Whereas the the dubbed version was like, those men over there.
Adam You know, it was sort of.
Adam You know, and I don't know who was who was the failure there, you know, I don't know who was sort of there.
Chris Yeah, that's interesting.
Lee Excellent. But yeah, I'll sure be looking that up.
Lee so for myself, I've gone with something very modern.
Lee So I've I wanted to discuss the new Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein.
Chris Oh, yeah.
Adam Oh, yes.
Lee have I have you seen it?
Chris No.
Adam No.
Lee Do.
Chris Okay.
Lee It's, I mean, I mentioned at the end of the last episode we'd been to the exhibition so we'd seen the costumes.
Adam Yes, yeah.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee It's it's they told the story very well.
Lee I will say he has made some very big changes later in the story as well as a couple of little ones earlier on.
Lee But I I think they work quite well.
Chris Oh okay.
Lee I wouldn't yeah, it didn't spoil the film for me, but he he has changed the story.
Lee But again, it's enough that you know the story inside out, so putting a slant on it is fine.
Chris Yeah, yeah.
Adam Yeah, essentially you do need that in in a way because it has to be someone's interpretation of it.
Lee Yes.
Chris It's their version. It seems yeah.
Lee Absolutely.
Lee But it is one of the most beautiful, rich-looking films I've seen in a long time. I mean, you know what he did with was it Crimson Tide he did?
Adam Crimson Peak, that's it.
Lee yeah, so it's that, it's all it's Victorian, but it's all really bold, bright color, and stunning costumes. I mean, they're they're just out of this world.
Lee It's why I was so pleased to have seen them in.
Lee Because they look great on screen, but when you see them, the level of intricacy in detail.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Everything in it. So Mia Goth wears a choker, and it looks like it's covered in sort of turquoise stones, but when you see it like up close from a foot away, which is where we were, the tiny scarab beetles, so obviously the scarab is the symbol of rebirth and like.
Lee There's so much he puts into it that just I mean, it's it's incredible.
Chris Yeah.
Adam I mean, let's face it, Guillermo del Toro, it's going to be rich.
Adam That's that, you know, because weirdly enough, because I was talking to someone, I was talking to someone in the week about it and saying I was sort of like, you know, I'll probably watch it, I haven't got Netflix at the moment anyway, so that's sort of put it put it on the back burner.
Adam And I was kind of, I'm going to watch it, but I'm sort of Guillermo del Toro, I'm definitely always the Spanish language stuff is the stuff I really love.
Adam And funnily enough, you know, Crimson Peak we were talking about just because it was like, you know, Crimson Peak was okay.
Adam But again, I think that was the point where I was like, I mean, it looks fucking amazing, no problem, but weirdly enough, I think what Crimson Peak is missing is Vincent Price.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Because it needs to be that kind of that and Poe sort of, you know, everything glaring out, it needed just that sort of that sort of streak because I don't think Tom Hiddleston really sort of.
Lee No.
Adam but then weirdly enough, I think that's probably because you need someone who's unafraid to be as big as Vincent Price.
Lee Yeah.
Lee And this is what got me this time. So the casting obviously is amazing, so Oscar Isaac and Mia Goth, Kristen Wiig, Charles Dance is in it. Like, yeah, it was amazing.
Adam Oh, that's what I was recommending.
Lee But the standout for me, it's got to be said, the creature being played by Jacob Elordi.
Lee Who I'd only seen previously playing the pretty boy in what was it called? Oh, cock.
Adam Oh, cock.
Lee Oh, cock. Oh, yeah.
Lee it was the horror movie that everyone loved a couple of years ago, it was weird.
Lee Hang on, I'll get it.
Lee Somewhere. Where are you, bastard?
Lee
Lee I can't remember names at the minute. I've just done it again.
Lee no.
Lee Saltburn.
Adam Oh, right.
Lee So he was the young man in Saltburn.
Lee and and he was, I hated that film, but he was great in it, in his character. but yeah, as the creature, because he's he's so covered in or doesn't look it, he's very covered in prosthetics. Like his entire body is layered with this kind of rubber that gives it that scarred look.
Lee so his face hasn't got an awful lot of movement, he he's acting in it is just amazing. I was honestly, I was so impressed with it. He does such an amazing job under such tight constraints.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Yeah, and he he made a really as I say, because he's such a pretty boy. I was like, how is he going to be the creature?
Adam That was.
Lee That he does.
Adam Yeah, because that was another thing, when I saw pictures of that, I was like, oh no, we're not doing sexy Frank now, are we?
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know what I mean, like we've spoken many times about how sexy Dracula is a pain in the ass. And I was like, oh no, don't make, you know, it kind of spoils the whole issue of the thing if it's like, actually it's quite all right from certain angles, you know.
Lee Well, this is the thing, so I I said I turned to Jennifer while we were watching it, like, so he he comes back later in the film and says, I want you to make me a mate, because I and I'm like, right, but he only meets one female in the whole film, and she falls for him instantly.
Lee I'm like, you've got 100% batting average, dude, I think you're doing all right, I don't I don't think you need a person made, I think you just need to go out to Goth clubs.
Lee Like people used to fancy that Frankenstein looking motherfucker from Type O Negative, like this guy definitely looks better than that even covered in scars, I think you'll be all right.
Lee but yeah, and then it's and the lack of CGI.
Lee So there is CGI in it because there's things that like the rats and stuff, they needed them to behave in a way they obviously couldn't.
Lee but yeah, so there's obviously the giant icebreaker, they actually made that full size.
Adam Oh, so it's like ripping yarn.
Lee Yeah, ripping.
Adam It's, you know. What's that? It's an icebreaker, sir.
Lee It's not a model.
Adam Not a model if it's full size.
Lee No.
Lee But yeah, so all of that is all real, and the people when he throws people around, it's all actors on wires, it's not CGI.
Lee And it really comes across so solid because of that.
Lee I mean, it's a again.
Adam That's that's that's Guillermo del Toro, he will he will use practical where he can and he enhances with CGI, which is kind of the best, the best you can hope for, really, that's the best way you can do it.
Lee Yeah, and all of the very heavy CGI stuff is like dream sequence stuff, where it's where, you know, it is going to have that uncanny valley to some degree.
Lee yeah, and I I really enjoyed it.
Lee I thought it was really good, I thought everyone gave a good performance, yeah, and it it just looked gorgeous.
Lee Again, it's one of those I probably won't go back to over and over again, but I reckon in six months I'll end up putting this back on again, because it was a good watch, and it was yeah, really well put together.
Lee It is a bit of an epic two and a quarter hours, but yeah, it's well worth the time. So yeah, when you get the opportunity, gentlemen, check it out.
Adam Yeah, I think I will. I haven't got Netflix at the moment, but I think next we we end up on there somehow. It's almost like falling on a, you know, just accidentally I pulled my wallet out of my pocket, oh bang, I'll subscribe Netflix, right.
Lee Okay.
Adam So that's.
Lee Oh.
Lee Adam, what else have you been watching?
Adam well, I'm kind of still reasonably up to date here as well, because this is actually from 2024.
Adam but I watched it's literally just come on a lot of the streaming sites, because it's been doing the festival circuit for a little while, and it is a film feature length documentary called The Last Sacrifice.
Chris Oh.
Adam And it's directed by Rupert Russell, son of Ken Russell, and who actually is quite, you know, has done a lot of documentary filmmaking and stuff.
Adam But this is this looks at the still unsolved murder of Charles Walton, who was killed in a Warwickshire village called Lower Quinton in 1945.
Adam And it's one of those cases that has sort of spiralled out because it's never been solved, but basically this poor sod was found pinned to the floor with his own pitchfork, and a bill hook through his neck and, you know.
Lee I remember this.
Adam And a bill hook through his neck and, you know, and but it became as time went on.
Adam Basically, Fabian of the Yard came and tried to solve it and couldn't get anything out of the locals. Presumably because, yeah, you're a stranger, you're up from that London, you're not going to, you know, no one wants to help them anyway.
Adam but he he didn't solve the case and then it became a bit of a sort of hotspot for investigators of sort of, you know, people like people who investigated witchcraft and like Margaret Murray went there and, you know, various people over the time and sort of and the case had sort of spiralled out from a particularly gruesome murder to the point where it's like, is it human sacrifice? Is this related to and basically this looking at this unsolved murder and it's sort of how it influenced folk horror.
Adam And the sort of that movement within British films and everything.
Adam And it is packed to the gills with sort of for want of a better expression, quotes as like sort of clips from various horror movies.
Adam Obviously the Wicker Man is in there and, I mean, it practically, I mean, most of it, it's it's almost like our like our output for the past year.
Lee Really?
Adam As as a because like they they do Blood on Satan's Claw, Plague of the Zombies gets is in there, The Witches, Curse of the Crimson Altar, Virgin Witch and all things like that. So they're using those as illustrative clips of how this murder has sort of spiralled out into folklore and created bigger myths around itself rather than just, you know, in a way it's now got to the point where it's never going to be solved and never going to be solved to satisfaction because there's far too much in it now that people are like, well, until you actually prove that every single person in that village is a fucking pagan.
Chris Sure.
Adam You know, and there's there's really great talking heads in there, Jonathan Jonathan Rigby is in there, who's always great fun anyway, but there's also like people who were with like with witchcraft there's sort of like some lovely there's a woman on there who was like involved with Alexanders and stuff and.
Adam She sort of talking about, oh well, you know, me and my friend went to this place and they said do you want to be part of a satanic ritual and I said, well, in for a penny, in for a pound. And you know, and just just this lovely sort of mixture of the prosaic with also but, you know, trying to look at this from a point of view of what actually did happen with this crime, but also the fact that it is resonated through so much pop culture and horror pop culture from Britain since.
Adam And it's just really well put together and just a really just fantastic hour and a half. It really, you know, really great and yeah, it's just turned up on the streaming sites.
Adam I definitely think it's one I will watch again, I do love a documentary anyway, but you know, I think they've packed it to the gills with so many clips.
Adam And so many interesting sort of ideas and mentions in there and things like that, and yeah, just really, really well worth a watch and to boot it has a soundtrack that would rival any good folk horror anyway.
Chris
Adam So it's yeah, definite recommend that one.
Lee That sounds so high up my list now.
Adam Yeah, it's really good as I say, yeah, the last sacrifice.
Adam And you can always tell a good documentary because it's actually got a logo.
Adam When you look it up, you'll see that it's got like a lovely font for the last sacrifice and you're just like, yeah, exactly, it's like killing of America, you know, where it's actually it it feels like it's part of a franchise.
Adam It's just a documentary, but it's like, you know, it's like, you've got a logo, essentially, you haven't just got a type, you've got a logo, guys.
Chris They've put in some effort.
Adam Yeah, definitely.
Adam And yeah, and I yeah, it's that is a definite, definite, recommend that one.
Lee Excellent.
Lee I'll be checking.
Chris Yeah, sounds great.
Lee Thank you very much.
Lee Chris, what's your next pick?
Chris Okay, so this is the first of the two that I thought we must have talked about, surely.
Chris Now, I saw it advertised a few times, and I thought, well, it looks pretty good. It's like, okay, one day, anyway.
Chris I was having a look, what shall I watch, and I became and it is the no, it's just Heretic from 2024 with Hugh Grant. Yeah. Now, have we talked about it? No, I have not seen either. Also, funnily enough, I've got it on my bloody watch list, that's yeah, because Claire really wanted to watch it as well, because he'd seen lots of sort of stuff about, you know, Hugh Grant's doing a horror film and it looked rather good, you know.
Lee Would Hugh Grant.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah.
Adam No.
Lee I haven't seen.
Chris Yeah, so I'll have to be a little bit careful then. As I should be anyway from a 2024 film, but, yeah, so I hadn't even quite penciled it in, but in my mind it was like, I'll that definitely looks like something I would want to watch.
Chris Turns out, it is absolutely something I would want to watch. Like Hugh Grant, seriously, he can play a a horrible, the most horrible, while still being unbelievably charming.
Chris So uncomfortable, so awkward, but do you leave, do you leave now? What what is going on with this man? He's intelligent, he's educated, he's fascinating, he's absolutely so horrible.
Lee Like.
Chris He is yeah, this clearly was a very good role for him.
Adam Do you feel that this should be on the list, Chris? Do you think this is one that we should cover in a future episode?
Chris I mean, it's it's got it's got everything I probably like from a film. it's it's got definitely some humor if you can if you can see it there.
Chris Yeah, it's it's a fascinating look at and and deep enough look at religion and you know, belief.
Chris What we all think, what's going on, it's it's covered covered a decent amount of that, and also what decisions do you take at what point?
Chris And yeah, trying to figure out what situation have we got into.
Chris So it's yeah, it really progresses well, and I I think for me, I was like, I I don't know what they're going to do next, and I'm worried they're not going to be able to improve on what they've just done, but they do.
Chris So it's like, all right, well done, all right, that's that's that's good.
Chris So yeah.
Chris and and the the other two actors.
Chris Chloe East and Sophie Thatcher, fantastic.
Chris Like yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Sophie Thatcher, she was in she was in Book of Boba Fett, I think.
Adam She was one of the.
Adam She was one of the slightly crap gang, you know, they were like sort of like bikers who were like, why are you on Tatooine? You're clearly like, you're clearly like a sort of William Gibson setting.
Adam You know, why are you on a desert planet, but anyway, yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Yeah, so great, you know, they they convinced me that they're probably Mormons and but potentially something else going on.
Chris So yeah, no, really, really good, absolutely recommend that. and we should we should certainly add it to our list of potential.
Lee I'll definitely.
Lee Because I it was one of those, I wasn't sure if it was going to be horror or if it was just going to be a bit of a drama. So that's why I kind of passed me by and then I forgot all about it.
Lee But definitely hits horror notes at points.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I am in for that then. Yeah, that's great.
Lee Yes, we've got to get that in the list then for upcoming episodes.
Lee so my next one is a little bit out of left field, if I'm honest.
Lee so I watched 1945's Noel Coward written Blithe Spirit.
Adam Oh, brilliant.
Lee Have you seen it, Adam?
Adam I have I've seen I've seen that film.
Adam I also used to have a radio version of it that was absolutely brilliant, yeah.
Lee It was it was one of those, I think I was it was a late evening, and I was in the mood for something, you know, sort of British and quaint and fun. So I think I put in old British movies into YouTube and was just scrolling through and I was like, oh, Noel Coward, I've heard his name, I know he writes plays and stuff, but I've never seen anything he's done.
Lee I was like, oh, Margaret Rutherford's in it, I mean, Margaret Rutherford's amazing.
Lee So I was like, but I didn't realize she was so young in this.
Lee So it was really weird.
Lee I was like, oh, I only know her as a bumbling old lady.
Lee So to see her.
Adam Yeah, she's like, she's like Miss Marple essentially, yeah.
Lee but yeah, I I thought it was really good, really lighthearted, fun. It's it's kind of a family film. So the the story of it for Chris, basically a guy is going to write a book.
Lee So his wife passed away some years ago.
Lee He's going to write a book.
Lee And the main character is a fraudulent medium.
Lee So he invites the village medium, who is Margaret Rutherford, to his house to do a seance, and the idea is he just wants to get a bit of sort of character feel for what a medium is like, but he doesn't believe in them.
Lee So the medium turns up, she does the seance, and then the ghost of his ex-wife appears, and she turns up every night at dark.
Lee but he's remarried since this point, so he's got a current wife.
Lee And he sits up all night arguing with his ex-wife, who won't go away and leave him alone.
Lee Oh, and it's just it's really good fun, it's like it's it is very lighthearted and sort of soft British comedy type, but I really enjoyed it.
Lee And it is, yeah, it had a few turns in it I didn't see coming.
Lee
Lee And I just I had a great time with it. It it really surprised me how much I enjoyed it.
Adam I I to be honest, it's one of it's one I've always suspected that Jennifer would have watched or seen.
Lee And she hasn't, but she would absolutely love it.
Adam Yeah, it just it's just absolutely I'd imagine just totally in her wheelhouse that I would have thought, oh yeah, no, when you said it, I was like, oh, I thought oh, Jennifer said watch that.
Chris I mean, I'm definitely thinking I should have watched that instead of what I did watch for the third of.
Lee It was yeah, so it's.
Lee It's all on YouTube, I think it's in like 4K.
Lee It's really it looks really clean and really nice.
Lee Yes, so as we are running low on time.
Lee Adam, very quickly, what's your last one?
Adam Very quickly, it is on YouTube, all of it, 26 episodes.
Adam Orson Welles Great Mysteries, it's an anthology series.
Adam and you're adapting there's original stuff in there, but also adapt stories by like Wilkie Collins, Arthur Conan Doyle, Dorothy L. Sayers, Dickens, Balzac.
Adam And basically it's yeah, an anthology show.
Adam They got all these great sort of stories in there and you've got amazing cast members.
Adam You got Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Donald Pleasence, John Collins, Jeffrey Bayldon, Joss Ackland, it's, you know, proper really good actors.
Adam Really solid stuff, some fascinating things in there, and the added treat that each one is presented by Orson Welles in extreme close-up because he's a vain man who by this point is the size of a fucking house and has decided that he's going to introduce them.
Adam Clearly just phoning it in for the money, he can't be bothered to take his cigar out of his mouth and he just presents it.
Adam He's Orson Welles speaking.
Adam And he's clearly reading off Q cards all around the camera because he never looks down the barrel of it.
Adam But he sort of tops and tails all the episodes, but yeah, they're genuinely good, and there's the entertainment factor of Orson, have you finished eating?
Lee Oh.
Lee Oh my God.
Adam Orson, take your cigar out of your mouth, you're talking to people.
Adam You know, he's just yeah.
Adam Definitely worth a recommend.
Adam And like I say, the whole lot's on YouTube.
Adam Me and Claire went through it and had a fucking whale of a time with it.
Lee Amazing.
Lee I'll definitely be checking those as well.
Lee I'm after something new serial-wise, so that's perfect.
Lee Chris, what's your last choice?
Chris Yeah, so another one that I, as I started watching it, I was like, surely, surely we we talk about this.
Chris And and how could it have ramped up after Heretic?
Chris I did not see this coming.
Chris Anyway, it's the Substance from 2024.
Chris Director, writer, Coralie Fargeat, I think you pronounce it.
Chris
Chris Yeah, Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley and Dennis Quaid, who really plays such a despicable man, producer. Of yeah.
Chris anyway, like yeah, it's I'll tell you what.
Chris It it it seems reminiscent of Darren Aronofsky.
Lee Oh, really?
Adam
Adam I can see that.
Adam It also has.
Chris The way you're saying that. Yeah, yeah, definitely elements of that, just yeah, body horror.
Chris But psychological, and also social commentary, but just really again, it progresses so well throughout.
Chris You know, there's a point where you think, you've managed to portray a finger in a way that I did not expect a finger could affect me this much, but you've done it.
Chris And what are you going to do next?
Chris And no.
Chris They of course they do something next.
Chris And you're like, this is this is painful, but so well done.
Chris So yeah, Demi Moore, fantastic, really.
Chris So yeah.
Adam again, been meaning to check it out and just haven't.
Chris I really way way better than I expected, I guess it's hard not to sort of expect can they really make a modern horror film?
Chris Frankenstein we've got tonight, this I would say, yeah, really good stuff.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Adam Yeah, that's definitely.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Adam I I that was another one, I did show I when I showed it to Wez, I didn't tell him it was a horror movie. I just said I was basically because I was like, into Reservoir Dogs and stuff like that.
Adam So I was like, try this, it's like a crime movie.
Adam I know they're not really your cut and say, but this is good, I promise you.
Adam And then we got to that mark and it was like, because I think he was enjoying it, but yeah, we got to that mark and it was like, fucking hell.
Chris It was.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee Such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
Lee I went back over Halloween and rewatched From Dusk Till Dawn from 1996.
Adam Oh, yeah.
Lee Oh, yeah.
Lee I saw it three or four times when it first came out and definitely haven't seen it in the last 25 years.
Lee So I decided it was time for a rewatch.
Lee And yeah, it held up so much better than I thought it was going to.
Chris Good.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Honestly, I haven't seen it for a long time either, so yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee And again, it's one of those you forget it's a horror film because you get drawn into the crime drama element of it.
Lee And spend the whole time wanting George Clooney to lose his shit and shoot his brother in the fucking face.
Lee because he's such a shitbag.
Lee
Lee Yeah, and then all of a sudden you go, you're 50 minutes in, then you go, oh shit, yeah, vampires have just.
Chris That's what happens.
Lee And they start.
Chris I remember when I did not know, you know, I guess loads of people didn't know.
Chris And you yeah, when it happens, you're like, what? And how is this working so well?
Chris But it really does.
Lee It's fantastic.
Lee such a solid cast.
Adam Yes.
Lee Yeah, it's just it's an outstanding movie, it's still again, it's another one of those I regret not taking off the shelf more frequently because it really does hold up really well.
Lee Excellent.
Lee Cool.
