Ghostbusters II
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Christmas has been and gone, it’s roast dinner farts lingering like slush on the street as we pitch towards New Year’s Eve, and our extended festive holiday in New York draws to an end with “Ghostbusters II”. A film in which Nancy Spungen predicts the end of days; Bill Murray seeks psychiatric help from his own brother; and, once more, New York is portrayed as a festering hotbed of aggression, with a toxic sludge running beneath its streets. Much like the subject of our previous episode - “Ghostbusters II” came too late to ride the seismic wave of popularity the original generated. Unlike “Gremlins 2”, however, it doesn’t particularly offer anything new, with many noting the similar story beats to the first film. Oddly for a tale about negative emotions feeding supernatural events, it’s also softer and less cynical in its outlook, presumably part of efforts to aim it more for the kids who had unexpectedly embraced the original. For those of us young enough, it still holds an affectionate place in our hearts as we finally got more “proper” Ghostbusters, but, as far as the studio was concerned, this failed to catch the lightning a second time, and any further talk of sequels were shelved for nearly thirty years. Whist not a patch on the original, but with interesting moments, good gags, exemplary effects and great additions to an already perfect cast, “Ghostbusters II” doesn’t deserve the poor reputation it’s had over the years. Watch (or re-watch) to avoid spoilers and join us.
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Famous lines
- "You're next, Bubbles." — Dr. Peter Venkman
- "Mood slime." — Dr. Peter Venkman
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Lee Good evening, and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee And we are here with spoilers and swearing for our New Year's Eve episode, well, our New Year's episode, should I say.
Adam Yeah.
Lee we are covering 1989's Ghostbusters 2.
Adam isn't it weird that it doesn't have an extra bit to that?
Lee Yeah, it it doesn't.
Adam You feel?
Chris That should be.
Adam Gremlins 2, the new batch.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Terminator 2, judgment day.
Adam Ghostbusters 2.
Chris He-Man.
Adam Yeah.
Chris They should have they should have actually put that on there.
Adam I, I dispute the fact that kids in 1989.
Chris I was wondering that. Yeah.
Adam Or expecting him to turn up as well.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Which is fucking weirder, frankly.
Lee I'm wondering if it is the thing of kids stuff, you know, sort of goes through phases so quickly.
Lee I'm wondering if, you know, when this was first been drafted or whatever.
Chris It could have, yeah.
Lee It could have been relevant at the time and then the three years or whatever it takes for the film to be completed and come out, everyone's like, who?
Chris But that that almost makes it better, like it's just the references and the jokes they put in here are just so, you know.
Adam If it had been, if it had been true to 1989, though, they genuinely, those kids should have been, "Oh, I thought it was going to be Batman."
Chris Yeah.
Adam It's the same year that Tim Burton's Batman comes out and sort of does all the same things that Ghostbusters did, where you've got like, like Prince doing the fucking soundtrack, and the bat symbol was everywhere, it was on T-shirts, it was on mugs, everything, fucking thing had those on them.
Adam And, yeah, and it's like, almost like it did the same thing that Ghostbusters did in 1984, but also had toys wisely, so they and knew they were doing a franchise, so they were kind of already kind of geared up to doing another one soon.
Chris Yeah.
Adam whereas, yeah.
Lee You mentioned in Prince, controversial take, I'm going to come right out and say it.
Lee I prefer the Bobby Brown song on Ghostbusters 2 to the Ray Parker Jr. song on Ghostbusters.
Adam Wow.
Adam I am, no, I that is that is a fair comment.
Adam You know Bobby Brown's in it, didn't you?
Lee Yes, yes, very.
Lee He's in it for 14 seconds and still manages to look straight down the barrel of the camera. What an absolute professional.
Adam He was,
Adam because he's the when Chris, he's, he is, it's when they go to the mayor's office. Bobby Brown is the guy who lets them in on the door, who says, "Can you get a can my kid brother buy a proton pack?" or whatever.
Chris Yeah.
Adam and that and that's the whole reason he did the song is if he could be in the film.
Chris That's true enough.
Adam but, but also rather clever, clever negotiation, that was also they did the soundtrack album on his label.
Chris Oh.
Lee Yes. Very smart.
Lee This film is riddled with cameos, it's got to be said.
Adam
Lee So him, obviously, Cheech Marin is working at the dock for possibly the most sinister shot of the film.
Adam Oh, the Titanic coming back is amazing.
Lee Oh, it's so creepy.
Lee It's it's the bit that always sticks in my mind because it was the that and Janosh as the nanny.
Lee Those two images are so creepy that that always sticks in my mind as the kind of focus of the movie.
Chris So that's funny, right? They are, but I realized the ones that stick in my mind, and in fact, the only scenes that I could remember was the head of Vigo coming out of the painting, which when I saw that, I was like, what? It's crazy. And, and, Winston and the train going through him, and it just somehow made me feel like, oh yeah, train going through here. I was like, that's a new idea, you know.
Adam That that's that's a beautiful little joke as well, with just the sorry I missed it.
Chris Yeah.
Adam just Ernie Hudson just does that fantastically.
Adam But that, because I think the creepiest bit for me, and the one that why it sticks in my head, is where they've caused a blackout and Janos turns up at Dana's apartment.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And it's just when he walks off and his eyes glow.
Lee Oh, God, yeah. That was.
Adam But they're like talk things.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And and I I was looking at it on the Blu-ray and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's drawn on essentially. I don't think that's like a a I don't think that's a physical effect. I might be wrong, but it looks kind of like it is or it may be enhanced like.
Adam But it's just so good, and I've always thought that was that was something that should be in a genuinely frightening film.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know, rather, but, you know, it's,
Adam But I think also that there was when, we did because we talked about, I'm sure we've talked about it when we did like the Exorcist and stuff, but like Max von Sido being the voice of Vigo was just like, oh, fuck, yeah, of course it is.
Lee Yeah.
Adam But I'd never known that it was him all the time, you know, obviously, I saw this when it came out and watch it not as often as I've watched Ghostbusters, but usually in tandem if I've watched Ghostbusters, I'll stick on Ghostbusters 2.
Chris So, I totally did not remember this being like anywhere near as good as I thought it was watching it again now.
Chris And I understood way more in it than the last time I saw it, which possibly was in 1989 at the cinema. I don't think, I don't remember watching it again since.
Chris I really didn't remember so much of it.
Chris And there are so many entertaining scenes and yeah, and like, and they do, they work so well together again.
Adam It's it's a bit like, I think, in my head, it's almost like it was the equivalent of watching the DVD extras on something.
Chris
Adam You know, like the like the outtakes or you know when you you know when you go through like the the cut scenes on a disk.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And you're just like, oh, they should have kept that in, that's fucking brilliant.
Adam Or whatever like that.
Adam That kind of is how I think of it in my head. I watch it in that same sort of why where it's like, it's more Ghostbusters.
Adam Literally that's it. It's just.
Chris But I was sort of expecting like the jokes to be a bit like, oh yeah, well, they've sort of done that, but somewhere for me, it's just really, I mean, I might be interested in a particularly good mood today, but yeah, it just works so well.
Chris Like, you know, even Egon at the start, the test he's doing, and Peter and his relationship with Dana, and just how he's still the same, he's still sleazy, but he's sort of nice and he's improving again, and it's like, yeah, I definitely found it very fun.
Lee I I I think for me, Peter McNichol as Janosh.
Lee Just absolute. I don't know how much of that obviously is like improvised, but just like his very first line when he walks through, he walks past that girl and just goes, "Everything you're doing is bad."
Chris I want you to know that. Yeah.
Adam Yeah, he's he's an absolute, he's a fantastic addition to the cast.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Because you've already because like we said, everyone's great and everyone comes back, which is good as well. You haven't got anyone who's not.
Adam Winston somehow looks younger.
Lee Yes. I noticed that as well.
Adam So, yeah, Ernie Hudson, the fucking Benjamin Button of supernatural comedy. Who's aging backwards.
Chris But I totally did not remember Lewis, Rick Morannis having such a big role and towards the end, I've decided he's like a sexy badass Michael Gove.
Adam Oh, blimey, Chris, you are a mess psychologically, my friend. To even put those words together.
Chris I know.
Adam Although he's
Adam I mean, I was surprised this time. I've got to say, I know you said, Adam, that you always watched it two in tandem.
Lee I probably watch Ghostbusters every two or three years.
Lee Ghostbusters 2, I never watch because in my head, it's always a bit shit.
Lee So I just don't. And then when I watched it again today, I was like, it's probably the second time I've seen it in the last decade.
Lee And I'm like, yeah, no, it isn't actually. I it's a it's a good solid movie. I don't know why in my head.
Chris You know, yeah.
Adam I I think when it came, I think the trouble is, I think it's one of those things, when it came out, it just got a really bad rep.
Chris And it's hard to then, you know.
Adam Not.
Adam Objectively, it's not as good as the original.
Chris Yeah.
Adam But it is, and considering some sequels that we've seen, not Ghostbusters, because I've not seen the others, but, you know, other franchises and things were just come back and it's like, this is definitely not the worst second film that I've seen, you know, it's
Lee It isn't Troll 2.
Lee So I mean it's, you know, it's got that going for it.
Lee But yeah, I I was I was surprised how much I enjoyed it and I do think it is going to become more regular.
Lee yeah, because it it has, it's got, like you say, it's got all the characters you love in it, doing exactly the same as they did in the first film.
Lee It's got the same great comedy. It's got those creepy.
Lee That bit when the painting of Vigo changes.
Lee And it's just his head.
Lee above the the archway.
Lee It looks so sinister.
Lee Considering it's a river of pink slime, which is a ludicrous camppy idea.
Lee They somehow managed to make it look sinister, which is incredible.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's it's weird as well because, a lot of it, like the slime stuff, I'm pretty sure.
Adam because in between the films, you had the real Ghostbusters.
Adam like the cartoon series.
Adam And you had figures with that.
Adam And obviously it was like, there's Ghostbusters figures, right?
Adam We've got to get those.
Adam But the slime that came with it was always like, fucking cranberry, like,
Chris Oh, no, right.
Adam like tin cranberry sort of jelly, you know, it just it was that color.
Adam Which was weird because the first film, it's slimer is the slimer.
Adam And so green and so on and so forth.
Adam And yeah, it's just
Adam it seems to be that they were like, we've got a fucking shitload of this pink slime now.
Adam Should we put it in the film?
Lee And it just looks really good with the purple running.
Lee I'm wondering if that's why I've got an as mild obsession with pink and purple going to give her, hence why I'd rather pink and purple car.
Lee I'm wondering if that's what it is.
Lee It it like it's literally, because it looks great when it's in that river.
Lee and the effects in this hold up as well.
Lee the bit when Janosh gets shot by the eyes of Vigo from the painting.
Chris Yeah.
Adam I love that bit.
Lee
Lee his acting's fantastic.
Lee But those effects still look really good for 1988.
Chris Yeah.
Adam
Chris Yeah, definitely.
Adam Did I was also for not for the first time, but I think the first time it's actually occurred to me that, Janos really it's a very Peter Laurie performance.
Lee Yeah.
Chris
Adam It's that same sort of just it just riot, you know, just he's he would I'm assuming he would has he been Renfield?
Lee Oh, God.
Lee He should be.
Chris I'm sure.
Adam I'm I'm actually now questioning that because I think I might have actually seen that he did, but he.
Lee Yeah, he would play that perfect.
Lee That is what that is.
Adam Yeah.
Adam It's, oh no, I don't think he has.
Adam No, no, just me making that up.
Adam But yeah, he would be right for Renfield. Oh, and the matrice D of the restaurant.
Adam You don't necessarily you wouldn't have necessarily noticed, but it's Johnny Ecard from Dracula AD 1972.
Lee Wow. No, I didn't spot.
Lee I'll tell you what I did spot this time again seeing it on Blu-ray.
Lee Now, it isn't on IMDB or in the I don't think it was in the credits, I didn't watch the credits, not been like.
Lee but I flicked it back twice, and I am pretty sure that again, it could just be someone who looks an awful lot like him or I need to change my glasses.
Lee The scene where they take them to the asylum and they walk in.
Chris Yeah.
Lee And it's the, it's Kurt Fuller and he's got two cops with him. I'm fairly sure one of those is Walter Peck.
Adam No, no, it's not it's not Peck. No, he's not in it, I'm afraid.
Chris No.
Lee He looks exactly like when you see and he again, he looks like he's trying not to be seen too much by the camera. And I was like, I'm sure that's it.
Lee And I even skipped it back and watched it and I was like, I'm 85% sure that is him.
Adam No, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's not because it didn't come up.
Adam one that I thought you might have been was because for some reason, the two people because Venkman having that paranormal sort of show.
Adam talk show.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Absolutely fucking perfect. For what they've gone into since the failure of Ghostbusters.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Ray runs a book shop.
Adam Yes, obviously.
Adam Egon has gone back to science. Yes, because he's an actual genuine fucking science kid.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And, and Venkman is a bullshit artist on television, you know. He would have his own podcast. He's just.
Adam So.
Adam I think that's perfect.
Adam But the two the two people who are on there, the lady who predicts that it's,
Adam the world ends on Valentine's Day 2016.
Lee Yeah.
Adam that's Nancy from Sid and Nancy, it's Chloe Webb.
Lee I, you know what, I knew I recognized her from something, but I couldn't work out what it was.
Lee It's because she looked so, so different, but yeah.
Adam Yeah, she's not dressed as Nancy.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Oh. And the psychiatrist they're talking to is Bill Murray's brother, who's in like Scrooged and Saturday night live and loads of,
Adam well, loads of stuff with Bill Murray, strangely enough.
Adam But that's the first time I'd ever known that, and as soon as he appeared, it was like, yeah, that's clearly Bill Murray's brother.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Because it's just him on a on a different form, like different shape, but it's still Bill Murray.
Adam But.
Adam I again that I mean, I think at the time people were sort of like, oh well, Batman won the kids and lots of people said, oh, it goes over the same sort of story beats and things like that.
Adam And but yeah, I think that's what's led to its poor rep that no one ever because at the time everyone was quite it was it sort of was pretty negative immediately about it.
Adam And I think that's probably why it sort of it happened.
Adam But they,
Adam but obviously it was like, so what we 89, so it was well, it says at the start five years later.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And but like I was saying earlier, this wasn't Ghostbusters was such a surprise hit, like we said on that episode. And out of nowhere just went stratospheric.
Adam And so they were like, right, we need to do a sequel.
Adam And then,
Chris They just took a bit.
Adam Well, it took five years because immediately because like I said, if you plan like nowadays when they plan sequels, you contract people to it.
Lee Yeah.
Adam This was a standalone movie.
Adam Everyone in it was big, they were going off and doing other things.
Adam So not only was it having to get them all to agree to come back.
Adam And then work to a point where all of them were scheduled at the same time to be available.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Plus writing a script from scratch because there was no there was nothing in development because it was like.
Chris I wasn't sure if if I had the impression that they weren't all in it quite as much overall.
Adam Well, apparently the early cut, the early sort of, cut of it, they found that like Ivan Reitman, the director, obviously returned from the first film. He was he found it kind of, that he'd sort of focused a bit too much on Dana and Venkman rather than the Ghostbusters as a unit.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And but also that's why they put in bits like them going down into the subway with the faces and,
Adam
Adam like when the I think they filmed a lot after they'd finished filming, they were doing reshoots and they did that whole bit where the, photographs set light.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So that it would again have like, oh, you know, it in a weird way, they were like, shit, we haven't actually put any danger moments or exciting moments in it.
Adam that people were kind of expecting from the first one. after the how the first one works.
Adam and it was like, cuz it's weird, it kind of has to re-establish itself again and it's like, no, we know ghosts work and ghosts exist.
Adam The first thing that Claire said when we were watching it was, oh, because by now Ghostbusters would be a franchise.
Adam Because clearly ghosts exist and you can make money off this, so they would have been the franchise that they were originally going to sort of see.
Adam That that said, but or other people would be doing it because they obviously got sued to oblivion.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Yeah, I and I do again, it it is that.
Lee It does almost ring true with that thing of when you watch it and they're, you know, the kid says to him, my dad says you're all fake and it's all a bunch of nonsense.
Lee And you can almost imagine that because people are so, people admittedly like myself are so on the fence that no matter how much proof you show them, you go, yeah, someone's fucking me. This isn't this isn't really what it appears to be.
Lee So, I found that a bit jarring at first.
Lee But actually, I was like, yeah, that's the, you know.
Lee If you live in New York, but happened to be indoors for the, you know, three hours that it that whole of New York fell to pieces.
Lee You would be like, I didn't see it myself, so I'm not necessarily.
Chris I'm not. Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Chris I did wonder about that the, whether it was a good choice to have the emotions sort of causing giving the ghosts power. I didn't know if that was starting to hit towards Midichlorian kind of a,
Chris but actually, I decided for the film that it is, totally fine and I actually quite liked it.
Adam I think you, the good thing is, is Dan Aykroyd is genuinely obsessed with all this stuff. So you know you're in a fairly good space in terms of,
Adam for want of a better word, realism in your supernatural, you know, a grounding in your supernatural, as it were.
Adam And, yeah, I think so there are because apparently the first version of it was going to be they wanted to go international.
Adam So they were like and again, this is like Dan Aykroyd just like huge budget in his head.
Adam just imagination untethered.
Adam And he was like, right, we'll do, we'll make it international and it was like Dana gets kidnapped and enters a fairy circle in Scotland that leads to a subterranean world.
Adam And they use the old pneumatic tube system under New York, which gets mentioned in this, to walk all the way to Scotland.
Adam over the course of like three days or whatever like that. And yeah, just a lot of stuff they weren't going to put in.
Adam and then they were like, stick to New York. That worked well. And giant monster at the end.
Lee So we just want something that's a giant.
Lee What's a giant in New York?
Lee There you go.
Lee Statue of Liberty done.
Lee Sorted.
Adam Cuz that cuz they said it was weirdly enough, they wanted to do it. They wanted to do it underground because then it would be the opposite of so you end your first movie on a skyscraper and you end the next one in the bowels of the earth, as it were.
Adam So,
Adam but but again, yeah, I I just don't think.
Adam everyone was like, right, realistically, what are you talking about? Man.
Adam You know.
Adam So, you can't fault his,
Adam you can't fault his ambition.
Adam Also, the kid who says that, he's another cameo, the kid who says that, the Ghostbusters, my dad says, you guys are full of shit.
Adam he's Jason Reitman, who is director of Ghostbusters afterlife.
Chris Oh.
Lee Oh.
Chris Oh.
Lee Pretty good.
Adam And who is the director of Ghostbusters afterlife.
Adam he's also,
Adam he's also in twins, the, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny De Vito.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Really?
Adam As is Chloe Webb, who is then, who is the a woman who's, predicting the future.
Lee
Adam Sorry.
Adam It's just occurred to me, that did, I was quite quite pleased with myself.
Adam And apparently the original version was kind of like Dana and Venkman were together and Oscar was their kid.
Adam And I think like again, that was like they rejected that cuz it was like.
Chris Yeah. I thought this kind of worked.
Chris the way you would expect because he probably wasn't ready to be.
Adam It feels far more realistic that she was, you know, that she'd have gone off and gave him a chance.
Adam They would not, yeah, they gave him a chance and certainly not, you know, having a kid with him chance.
Adam So,
Adam you know, it was.
Adam Apparently.
Adam Oscar's father is meant to be the cello guy from the first film.
Adam Yeah.
Adam but I I mean that's neither here nor there.
Adam You know, we weren't clamoring for that explanation all these years, were we?
Adam So.
Lee No, it wasn't the one thing that I needed to know about Ghostbusters.
Lee Like, for example, how they positively charged the slime that was never really explained.
Lee They just went, oh, we positively charged some.
Lee You go, okay, great.
Lee Then why don't you positively charge them at all?
Lee Well,
Lee you know,
Adam Well, they gave you an indication that they might be using it sexually.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So we which you would have thought would have helped because obviously, you know, you have to have something a bit a bit wrong in a Ghostbusters film.
Adam you know, that's that's appropriate that's but skip over it.
Adam Just.
Adam So.
Adam But there's a lot with,
Adam and the weird thing was is so Ted loves Ghostbusters.
Adam I watched Ghostbusters like and because we thought, oh, he'll like Ghostbusters.
Adam because it's, you know, there wasn't despite what I've just said, there wasn't anything in it.
Adam And this was how old was Ted when he first saw it for?
Adam Four or five.
Adam Four or five.
Adam I think.
Chris Well, apparently all this went over my head when I was older than that. So.
Adam But so we watched the first one and he liked it.
Adam But this is the one he really liked.
Lee Oh, really?
Adam This is the one that he really took to.
Adam So, maybe they were doing something right.
Adam cuz obviously it's this is where they'd cut out like.
Adam At one point, definitely Dan Aykroyd is smoking. Cuz he's got a fucking cigar out of his mouth.
Adam Like Hannibal from the eighties.
Chris I was gonna say, yeah.
Adam No one smokes in it again.
Adam because it was like, oh no, we're doing it for kids now, so we can't have this.
Chris Yeah, that's funny. Yeah.
Adam So it's sort of, you know, it's it's actually a bit less, weirdly, it's a bit less cynical in its world view.
Adam or a bit less grown up in its world view, you know, but especially for a film about basically everyone in this town hates each other so much.
Adam It's manifested a way for a undead fucking tyrant to return through a painting.
Adam That's how bad things have got.
Lee And it does make you wonder, I mean, obviously, I've been at New York a couple of times, but only in the last, you know, 10 or 12 years.
Lee But yeah, this and again, the as we said with Jason Takes Manhattan, the fact that someone like that can just walk through murdering their way through New York.
Lee and they're just like, we're too busy with other shit.
Lee Like this is not a top priority.
Lee You just wonder.
Lee I know it was awful in the eighties, but yeah.
Lee I guess this does kind of just show you how I mean, I know it's it's a film and it's it's gamed up.
Lee But yeah, it does make you wonder just how bad New York was in the eighties, really.
Chris Yeah.
Adam But it was all right, all you needed to do was force a national monument up the road, smash through the, very fine stained glass roof of a of a uptown art gallery.
Adam And they were cheering their asses off.
Lee It is a good sing along, just puts everything right, supposedly.
Lee I mean, so I wouldn't agree with that, but you know.
Chris It gets most people's moods raised.
Adam I I then like going back to what you were saying Lee, that's the weird thing as well.
Adam I should absolutely despise the song on our own, like the Bobby Brown song.
Adam I but no, it still has an odd thrilling effect.
Adam in the sort of yeah, I associate it with Ghostbusters, that's exciting.
Adam I was the right age that that still worked.
Adam That's why I think another thing that we sort of don't sort of hate on the movie as much as some do.
Adam You know, so.
Lee Well, I mean, I'm not. I unsurprisingly, I am not the biggest fan of 90s R&B.
Lee But that song,
Lee that song works for me, and I think even without the film.
Lee because that's the thing, the Ray Parker Jr. one is a very cheesy song and if it wasn't for the film,
Lee nobody will give it the time of day.
Lee But this song,
Lee just works.
Lee I I just I can see this.
Lee obviously, the lyrics are all about the Ghostbusters. But if you change the lyrics and had this song,
Lee it would just work at that time period and it would still be a number one.
Adam I mean, fucking hell Bobby Brown at the time was fucking shitting number ones.
Adam That's that's inappropriate, is it?
Adam Shit in number one.
Adam Yeah, cuz you shit number two, but yeah, he's he's.
Adam Yes, so he's pissing out number one at the time.
Lee I did do a little experiment last night though. so we had some family over for a a day, an all day Christmas thing.
Lee and when they left, Jennifer had a glass of wine or two and decided it was time for her to dance around and wanted me to DJ.
Lee So I was putting music on for her to dance to, and I put that song on, yeah, and she literally just went, nah, fuck off.
Lee So it clearly doesn't work for everyone.
Lee She hates R&B.
Lee Decided so,
Lee yeah.
Lee She was not having that at all.
Chris Maybe.
Chris she needs to watch this a few more times.
Lee Yeah,
Lee well, maybe.
Adam My favorite thing about it is though is it did remind me that at the time me and Sarah used to refer to him as Bobby, you know it Brown.
Adam Because he is in every fucking song he did.
Adam There's also an magical video you can see of him on it's him performing live like on a TV show and he clearly drops his drugs halfway through his pocket.
Adam And Barry, I'm gonna say, very professionally doesn't miss beat, picks him up, but as part of his moves.
Lee Yeah.
Adam It's quite quite impressive, you know, so.
Lee Nice.
Lee I'm glad to hear that it's all all right because for some reason, I had it in my mind, he might have been one of those people who's now been,
Lee you know, would we would now say he's been canceled. But I wasn't sure if he'd done something historically.
Lee So I was like, I was a little bit worried about saying, I think that's a really great song and I think he's really good for someone to then come along and say, you can't say that, I think he's done something terrible.
Lee Cuz everybody's done something terrible.
Lee So in my mind I was like, has he?
Lee I don't know.
Chris Probably has.
Lee I mean, doing stuff,
Lee maybe.
Lee But again, I don't know.
Adam He was with Whitney, he was married to Whitney Houston. They did go on tele talking about. I can't remember which way around was it?
Adam Was it him picking her bum or him picking her bum?
Adam Basically one the struggles of drug addiction that they were sort of like a bit constipated and had to loose each other up or something with anyway.
Adam but they are both deceased now.
Lee Really?
Adam I think so.
Adam I mean Whitney Houston certainly is.
Lee Oh, yeah, I'm aware of Whitney Houston, so.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But there we go. I I I feel I've lacked in my Bobby Brown knowledge there.
Lee Oh, that's a shame.
Adam I will I will offer the, I will offer the other thing though to say that.
Adam Although the Ray Parker Jr. song, Run DMC, fuck that right up where they try and redo it.
Adam It's just fucking, I love Run DMC, but please lads, no.
Adam This is shit. It's just not not good.
Lee you have prematurely killed him off.
Lee According to IMDb, he is still going at 55.
Adam Oh, he's still going.
Adam Okay.
Adam Oh, fair enough.
Lee So, Bobby.
Adam But there we go.
Adam So that's that's Bobby, you know it Brown.
Adam The the star of the show.
Lee You think he could live this long with, all the fun he's been having.
Adam There was, I was the other thing as well.
Adam Yeah, apparently, yeah, because a lot of saying because the script changed so much, apparently Bill Murray basically said you we made a film under false pretenses because the script was changed so much by the time they finished doing it.
Lee You've got I can imagine.
Lee Dan Aykroyd being like that.
Lee Like I can imagine him being the person who's there the morning before shooting up at 4:00 in the morning just rewriting stuff with no.
Adam Oh, absolutely.
Adam I think but then I think I think they all were like it, but it worked on the first one.
Adam And this one they were I think they were just Yeah, I think it was weirdly utterly unprepared.
Adam Which is kind of sweet in a way that it's like a sequel, hey?
Lee You what?
Adam And then obviously, you know, absolutely adorable because it's like it is the proof that the first film was,
Adam we're making a film and it's got a full stop.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And then.
Adam And you can see why now it is like that sort of thing.
Adam where it's probably one of the reasons why now it is that thing of right, you contracted with 10 films. If you don't turn up for him, we get your liver.
Lee Yeah.
Adam You know that sort of contract, you know.
Lee Yeah, I mean.
Adam Do you like having knees?
Adam Do you like having knees in your legs?
Adam You will appear in those six films in the next five years, mate.
Lee As you say, they were all in their heyday at this point. So, yeah, I can see why scheduling would have been an absolute nightmare.
Lee Cuz yeah, you I mean, you look through that cast list, yeah, it it's just they were all at their prime doing all their best stuff.
Lee So it must have been awful trying to pull it out of the bag short notice and try and get everyone together.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But then sort of it's just, also, the weird thing is, do you remember the dark suits on the poster that they don't wear in the film?
Adam They're in like little bits of it, but apparently there was they said, right, we've redesigned the costume.
Adam And then I would just went, nah, they're bit shit.
Adam We'll stick to the ones we know, thanks.
Lee Oh, no, I didn't remember that.
Adam But yeah, if you look at all the posters, they're all in like dark overalls and you see them in them a couple of times.
Adam Ted's actually got Playmobil figures of I think Egon and, Winston in the dark suits.
Chris Yeah, cuz you kind of see it. You think they're improving. Makes them look a bit more elite.
Lee Yeah, you're right. On the cover, they're wearing, yeah, like black versions of the overalls.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But they, yeah.
Adam They I think they just went like, no. But they're they're going to photoshoot and publicity stuff and things.
Lee It can't have been that bad. I'd never noticed before.
Lee So it can't be that bad. It must be all right.
Lee But yeah, he's one of those things, when you point it out, he suddenly go, oh, yeah, look at that.
Adam And you get the influence of the real Ghostbusters because obviously Janine gets her makeover to look more like Janine in the real Ghostbusters.
Adam So, and apparently after this, then Lewis was added to the real Ghostbusters.
Lee Oh.
Adam
Adam but yeah, so that's that's Bobby, you know it Brown.
Adam The the star of the show.
Chris So this looks like this has been mostly Dan Aykroyd's.
Chris like the stuff that he's worked on, really, isn't it?
Chris It's Ghostbusters since.
Adam Oh, yeah, there's a well, I mean, because he's, I mean, he, he actually, I mean, he's even in, is it Casper? He's in Casper the friendly ghost as right. At one point.
Lee Never seen it.
Adam No, no.
Lee Surprisingly enough.
Adam I've read about it. I'm surprised that you've never seen it.
Adam But there we go.
Chris Yeah, I sort of imagined he'd been in a lot of films around that time.
Chris But and he he had done more, but yeah, certainly since then it does seem like he's focused on Ghostbusters.
Adam I mean, I mean, in fairness.
Adam it's either that or the Blues Brothers and one of them's dead. So, I mean, he's, you know.
Adam Harold Ray only died relatively recently for them to still be doing Ghostbusters films.
Adam But yeah.
Lee See, now this is something I want to come back to. If I remember this correctly that you haven't seen the Blues Brothers, Chris.
Chris I haven't, no.
Chris Well, that's why I think even weirder because because like I'm, yeah.
Chris I feel like I saw loads of films of Dan Aykroyd in, but maybe I just watched Ghostbusters over and over.
Chris That could have been the explanation, really.
Chris I haven't seen Coneheads.
Chris I haven't seen Blues Brothers.
Lee I haven't seen Coneheads, to be fair.
Adam I haven't seen Coneheads.
Adam There we go.
Adam What professional this has been.
Lee But I love Great Outdoors and,
Lee he was in Spy Like Us with Chevy Chase, I believe.
Adam Trading Places.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Oh, Trading Places. Oh, again,
Lee him and Eddie Murphy when they were at their peak, yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And and that was obviously because Eddie Murphy was originally offered the Winston Roll. So that, you know, so they did work together eventually.
Adam But yeah, I mean, obviously nothing but trouble. That's got to actually got to be mentioned, isn't it?
Lee And I not mentioned as it deserves.
Adam Yeah. Twilight's another movie. Is it he's in loads of stuff.
Adam but he is probably at this point, he's the least active.
Adam And then right. And then obviously you get like Groundhog day, which is Harold Ramis directing and writing.
Lee So.
Lee Fantastic movie, absolutely brilliant.
Lee Groundhog day, obviously.
Lee Right, yes.
Lee So, thanks very much for listening everybody. Happy New Year from everybody here.
Chris Happy New Year.
Lee and we will be back in a Fortnight's time.
Lee we will be doing a what we've been watching because we're expecting, well, because we haven't done one in ages, we're going to have loads of stuff to talk about. But obviously, I'm guessing we're want to going to going to want to go quite in depth into this year's ghost story for Christmas.
Lee particularly me, as it is one of my favorite stories. I have read it, I have read the Essex Witch Museum book that uses it as its kind of, setting, which was excellent. and I've listened to at least half a dozen radio adaptations of it. I love Man's size in Marble. So I'm very keen to see what Mark Gatiss is going to do with it.
Adam And I am keen to see it because I have done none of those. I have I did not I was not familiar with the story at all. So I am really looking forward to it on that basis, because I thought, because when when I mentioned it and you were like, it's amazing. I was like, right, I'm in.
Adam You have you you have very good ghost story taste, sir. Thank you. It's a very simple story, but it's because it's quite simple, it gives it so much scope, which is why all the radio adaptations and stuff, so all the old radio plays in the 30s and 40s did it because it had so much scope for that very different.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Absolutely.
Lee yeah, and it's just a brilliant story. So, yeah,
Lee I cannot wait for that tomorrow, actually, as we're recording now. So, 24 hours to go. Woohoo.
Lee Right. Thanks very much for listening everybody, and happy New Year.
Lee Good night.
Chris Good night.
Adam Good night and happy New Year.
