Gremlins 2

Name: Gremlins 2: The New Batch
Director: Joe Dante
Released: 1990
Cast: Zach Galligan, Phoebe Cates, John Glover, Robert J. Prosky, Robert Picardo

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Lee Good evening and welcome to horror.

Lee I'm Lee.

Chris I'm Chris.

Adam I'm Adam.

Lee And we're here for our what's becoming our regular Up Yours to Christmas, which is we've stopped doing Christmas films at Christmas time.

Adam We've done most of the ones that Gremlins including the original of this, I still maintain you can claim Gremlins 2 as a Christmas film on the basis that the Gremlins are Christmas monsters as defined by their first appearance being a Christmas film.

Chris I can go for that.

Lee Yeah, I'm fine with that.

Lee yes, so we are here for 1990's Gremlins 2.

Adam The New Batch.

Lee Yes.

Lee I assume everybody's seen this before, obviously.

Chris Yes.

Lee Yes.

Lee I I've got to say, this is one of those films that I always think, I don't know, it just it never comes off my shelf and then every time I do watch it, I'm like, oh yeah, it's actually better than the first one, it surprises me every time.

Adam I think because this is this seems to be a thing online, I think the the common consensus is that it's not great and I think mostly it's I think it's because it doesn't take the first film seriously.

Lee Yeah.

Adam And sort of almost and it's a it's actually a thing within its own fictitious world apparently that the film Gremlins actually exists.

Lee And yeah.

Lee It is it.

Adam I think a lot of people just sort of didn't like that sort of meta-ness or sort of.

Chris Was it was it ahead of its time?

Lee Yes, 100%.

Adam Yeah, I think so.

Adam Yeah, because it's just a it's it's I don't the nearest equivalent is kind of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Where the first film and not to say that Gremlins is like it's not a heavy duty horror, but it's that's the same sort of transition between the two or like Evil Dead and Evil Dead 2.

Chris The is the same distance between.

Adam You know, it's that same sort of thing of it's like no, no, we just we I mean this is this is just a Looney Tunes film.

Lee Yeah, which they which they know and reference which I do like, they're like they do they are well aware.

Chris That's it.

Lee Yeah, I I just find it's such a great I saw this when it first came out at the cinema.

Lee And it was great on the big screen, but yeah, it's just it's one of those films that doesn't come off the shelf anywhere near as frequently as it should.

Chris It should.

Lee I it's straight into the action, that's the thing, the first film does all the setup, so it has the beauty of just dropping straight in and you get Gremlins straight away, no sodding about, within 10 minutes, it's all kicking off and you know what the rules are.

Lee You know John Aston as soon as he turns up and starts digging around with the water fountain, you know it's all going to turn to shit.

Chris I even like how they joke about well what if you go through different time zones and what if you feed them but they have a bit of food because that's the kind of thing that I bet, you know, loads of people saying what surely.

Chris How do you know when it's past 12 exactly?

Adam That's what Joe Dante said was that that bit was it was all the questions that kids had asked him after seeing the first one.

Chris Yeah, cause asked me all those and I was like yeah.

Chris You know, and then and then the way they do it is very funny that that it's kicking off there.

Adam Well I love I love the fact that there is there is also an element of sort of like not necessarily the kids who asked it, but certainly the grownups who asked it, it was just like look just shut up and enjoy the movie or we'll sit Gremlin on you.

Chris It's perfect.

Adam And yeah.

Adam I think there's oh one thing then, so I saw it on Pirate but it had the bit where the film breaks down.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Because obviously it had the cinema version of it, which I'm assuming we all saw the one where Hulk Hogan turns up.

Chris Yeah, yeah.

Adam Yeah, and I found out that the or the video version of it, they changed that, so it was a different thing, it's not got Hulk Hogan in it.

Adam And basically the video looks like the video choose up and you've got static he's on he's on the Blu-ray as an extra I think on the DVD as well.

Chris All right, as if it's.

Adam But

Chris It's more like your TV's gone wrong.

Adam Yeah, so it's like so it's like the video has just chewed up.

Chris Yeah, yeah.

Adam And then it goes into a John Wayne Western, but they've sort of put the Gremlins in there too like John Wayne telling them to get off his land and they're behind a cow laughing at him in cowboy hats.

Adam But apparently this was one of the things where like the producers were all sort of like saying to Joe Dante no you can't do that cinema bit because people will think it's gone wrong in the cinema.

Adam And basically Joe Dante proved to them he did like he showed us he did a screening and he was like, look no one thought for a second that's what had happened as soon as the Gremlins popped up.

Chris Was really.

Chris Oh, I'd love it if they did, but yeah.

Adam It's sort of but but apparently the weirdest part is is so they never got any complaints about it in the cinema, but they the videotape did kept getting returned because people thought it had despite the fact that you're then watching Gremlin the Western.

Chris What at that point.

Chris Yeah.

Adam You know what I mean, you surely know the but apparently.

Adam I think no one got past when it sort of just chewed up and the static went.

Adam And then saw a bit of a cowboy film and it's like oh well there's been a mastering fault, we'll send the tape back.

Adam So they didn't have loads of returns on that.

Adam But and I know this is a weird thing and I feel like I'm hijacking a great fucking film here.

Adam But I have been sitting on this bit of information for ages.

Chris And Ooh.

Adam Basically, I was in you know a a thinking state one night and I I was suddenly went Hulk Hogan's always looked the same and Hulk Hogan's still around, but Hulk Hogan's always looked about 60.

Lee Yeah.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And so so I then looked up how old Hulk Hogan was and then obviously this was coming up, so I wanted to wait to give you this revelation.

Adam Hulk Hogan prepare to feel better about yourselves, lads, Hulk Hogan is 36.He's 36.

Chris In the.

Lee Wow.

Adam This.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And it's like, you know.

Adam I mean incredibly, you know, a genuine athlete and someone who is, you know, capable of things that I could not do.

Chris Oh, I wouldn't mock him if he was, you know, just a few feet away.

Adam But 36 he do not look.

Chris God in life.

Adam And yeah, sorry, I just I know it sounds mental and like I say, shut up and just it sits, but yeah, I've been waiting to tell you guys that he's 36 because of how fucking absurd it feels.

Lee Wow.

Adam But the reason they got to do it all is Joe Dante said basically Gremlins was a big success as we know it was the fourth most successful film when we were looking at Gremlins came out same year as Ghostbusters.

Chris Yeah.

Adam so it was a big success, they immediately wanted a sequel, Joe Dante was really not interested and was like is a story I've done it, it's it's done I don't want to rehash it or anything like that.

Chris It's done, yeah.

Adam So he just for making money basically.

Adam And so Warner Brothers shopped it around a lot and tried to get other directors in and everything.

Adam And that process was going on for ages, obviously, and eventually they went back to Joe Dante and he just said, yeah, I'll do it if I have complete creative control.

Chris That's the way to do it.

Adam So everything he wanted goes in this film.

Chris Which.

Chris Yeah, everything goes.

Adam Yeah, literally, it's just sort of like he just was given cart blank and three times the budget of the original with basically.

Adam And it's like, yeah, just go and make what you want.

Adam And yeah.

Chris I really had forgotten just how satirical and self-referential it was.

Chris It has been a long time since I've seen it, in my head it was a similar sort of comedy to the first one and.

Lee I mean I so in the run up to it before we actually watched the film, we went on YouTube, Lady Jennifer and I and watched the original theatrical trailer followed by the Key and Peel sketch just to get us in the mood.

Chris Oh, yeah.

Adam Right from.

Adam Yeah.

Lee but it is like it really like I laughed out loud more at this than I have at anything in ages, like it is very silly and over the top and it is there is so much crammed into it.

Lee But it all works.

Chris It does, yeah.

Lee Like.

Chris The characters are perfect together.

Lee Yeah, the Brainy Gremlin and the Female Gremlin and oh the Phantom of the Opera Gremlin, like it just made me roar, it's such a funny film.

Chris What's the what's the goofy one and the like is he basically a crime boss, he's clever but just a bit dull.

Adam Those two are called oh what is it, Lenny and George as in of Mice and Men.

Chris All right.

Chris Oh.

Adam So yeah, so you have got one who's like a sort of little sort of criminal and who knows what's going on.

Chris Who knows what's going on?

Adam Yeah, the sort of smart one and his muscle basically, his you know.

Adam and and I think the one with the rolling eyes is called Daffy.

Chris

Adam Or something like that, but or that might be too near Daffy Duck, I don't know.

Chris He's.

Adam but yeah and Mohawk.

Adam But yeah, it's it's nice that you get those little ones.

Adam And what we were actually when this was coming up, me and Clare were talking about whether we felt we could show Ted Gremlins this Christmas.

Adam And actually, I think Ted would be fine with Gremlins apart from the fact that he has absolutely no attention span.

Adam You know, he is it's fucked unless he's getting, you know, right, immediately this is delivering.

Chris Yeah.

Adam So we are thinking plot-wise, it's not like, you know, he needs to know the ins and outs of every relationship or you know, the dramatic twists and turns of the first film or anything else like that, you know, but why is that character doing that, despite the fact they seem like this?

Chris Yeah.

Adam You know, or any of that is going to affect him.

Adam So we just thought we're going to show him this one.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Because I think it will just appeal to him more.

Adam It will the immediate fact that you've got Daffy Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck at the start.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You know, that would hook him in anyway because he's been enjoying Looney Tunes.

Adam And it actually would set it up right because it's like right what you're going to get is.

Chris Is pretty much.

Adam Wise cracks and slapstick, violent slapstick and it's you know.

Lee And Christopher Lee, I can't believe I still can't believe they got Christopher Lee to be in this.

Chris I'd forgotten he like so when I first saw him again, I was like, oh yeah, it is in this and then at first it's like, oh, he only has a small role.

Chris And he does, but actually he's kind of perfect for it.

Chris I mean, it's not obviously his biggest acting role ever, right?

Chris But he's such a, you know, devilish sort of mastermind weird science like just got that dark.

Adam It's playing creepy.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Yeah.

Adam He just absolutely.

Chris The way he's offering them what's what's offering them diseases.

Adam Yeah, I can get you diseases you'd like that, wouldn't you?

Lee I've got to say there's a new documentary about Christopher Lee just come out on Sky Arts, I think it is, the Life and Deaths.

Adam Oh yeah.

Lee Do yourself a favor, watch it it's really good.

Lee At the point at which he gets nighted, turn it off.

Chris Of course.

Lee It's an hour and a half and it's really nice and it's lots of people telling personal story.

Lee Joe Dante and Peter Jackson and everybody do talking heads.

Lee It's really nice.

Lee Wow.

Lee And we all know that he can be a bit he could be a bit of a dick from time to time.

Lee But literally, the closing scene is that it's him doing a news thing after he's been knighted and then just totally tearing into the poor young girl who's just interviewed him, yeah, so like it's really nice all the way through and then at the end it's just like and just to close it all off is him being a bit of a prick and it's like oh, that's such a shame.

Chris Wow.

Chris I mean to be to be fair, I really want to see that bit now.

Chris But.

Chris Yeah, that that sounds good.

Adam I mean that's the thing it's like it's like those flashes you see from interviews when it's like.

Adam And I said to them, go back to the text and there was nothing of scope in the script and I said very well, I just won't say anything then, that's why I was silent and film.

Adam And you like fucking hell, Chris.

Lee Yeah, no, that's that's nothing compared to what he does to this poor little this poor young girl who's interviewing him for the news, but but yeah, go and watch that for yourself.

Lee I'd forgotten how many actors this shares with the Burbs.

Lee I'm assuming that both share the same time.

Lee There's three actors from the Burbs in this.

Lee Two of them in.

Adam It was about 86, 87, it's pretty this, definitely.

Lee Yeah.

Adam It's between that's between Gremlins and this.

Lee Oh, really, oh, god.

Adam Yeah, I'm sure it is.

Adam Yeah, because the Burbs is definitely 80s.

Adam So yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Adam but no, you have got loads in there.

Adam And in tiny fucking roles as well.

Lee Yeah.

Adam It is just again, probably where it's like Joe Dante's like, oh, I've got complete control, so it's like, right, I'm going to get Gomez Adams in for you know, for a minute tops.

Lee First.

Lee Yeah.

Adam I mean, obviously John Aston's fucking amazing.

Adam So I don't know.

Adam He's the one I always forgets in here.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Because I always remember I always remember Christopher Lee is because of how well he does it.

Adam And it does make me wonder because there was that story about him and Peter Cushion getting chucked out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon for laughing too much.

Adam So I'm assuming that Christopher Lee gets Looney Tunes.

Lee Yeah.

Adam And gets, you know, so he's pitching this exactly right.

Adam He's, you know, it's I mean it seems obvious to say, but it's like, you know, he's playing it dead straight because it's that's what Christopher Lee does.

Adam But, you know, he knows that he's not.

Chris Yeah.

Adam And he's perfect as it.

Lee And John Glover as well, like I only know John Glover from two roles, which is this and Scrooge where effectively he plays the same character in both.

Chris Yeah.

Lee He just nails it, he's just got that like very arrogant, completely oblivious to the scope of everything that's going on around him, just down to a tee, I think he's just excellent.

Adam It's interesting because it's because it's fucking clear who he is.

Lee Yeah.

Adam But in that way that was that more how he was seen then is like this in a more benevolent light.

Lee Yeah.

Adam As it were of this sort of like oh he's like this, but then I think John Glover said that he made the decision to because it was written evil.

Chris

Chris Yeah.

Adam And it's sort of yeah, it's sort of it certainly comes over better than that character should particularly these days.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You know, I mean it's sort of yeah.

Adam Because when he's I mean basically he's Trump and Ted Turner because he liked colorized movies.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You know, and Grandpa Fred saying about yeah, he only likes movies in color and I've seen this film a lot thinking about it.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Yeah, I mean.

Lee again, just to go back because it is something that I I don't remember noticing in my previous viewings, but I definitely got this time.

Lee We talked about it when we talked about the first Gremlins film and we said about how it's completely slapstick and comedy, but then it has that really sad moment when Phoebe Kates talks about her dad getting, you know, dying in the chimney.

Lee And when they did it in this one where someone mentioned Lincoln, she immediately, yeah, and you can see like Zack Galligan in the background just like rolling his eyes and oh shit, here she goes.

Chris Yeah.

Lee She's going to bring the whole thing down again like and it's it's that meta self-referential stuff that we now love that's become such a massive thing after scream, but they were doing it like you know, five years before and it's it just works so well.

Adam I think that's the thing is, I think that's why I didn't work.

Adam I think that like in terms of success.

Adam Because you know, oh yeah, you know we were saying about it was like the fourth biggest film of 84.

Chris

Adam I think this was like the 30 I did write it down, I think it's like the 31st.

Lee What?

Adam Or something is, yeah, 31.

Adam Like most successful film of 1990.

Adam Now.

Chris

Adam It's sort of it's sort of around the same time as Batman, which I think just took all the cultural air and like but Joe Dante basically was like, yeah, it was too long, you know, because obviously by this point he'd he'd already said no I don't want to do a sequel.

Lee Yeah.

Adam They came back and said do you want to do a sequel for triple the budget, can I do it can I do everything I like without you interfering, yes, okay.

Adam Yeah.

Adam It was named twice.

Lee Yeah, they do New York, New York, yeah.

Lee And they do New York, New York at the end in the lobby and stuff.

Lee

Lee Yeah, it I'd forgotten just how New York-centric it is.

Lee And I love it for that.

Lee I mean it's fantastic.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Again, it's just I think also it was it's just like oh no, it's the right sort of thing to do.

Adam Because you had like small town for Gremlins.

Chris

Adam So no, we now want to you don't want them to do it in the same setting, you want to see what chaos they can cause in a city.

Chris Let's go big.

Chris

Adam You know, with sort of huge buildings and stuff that they can get into.

Adam And I love that as well, I love the the like the I love the fact that the clamp building is obviously shit.

Chris I was thinking that.

Adam He's almost like the Gremlins are drawn to its inefficiency, it's like really we could really make a fucking disaster out of this.

Adam We really could.

Chris It was nearly WWF.

Adam Yeah.

Lee And I love the announcement as well that the the announcement over the channel at the very beginning that just goes on in the background, it just says owner of this car registration, please remove it because it's dirty and old.

Chris Yeah.

Lee And it is they just want everything to be clean and pristine and they don't want anything with any character anywhere near the building.

Adam I think that's the thing is it's the gags are on every level, it's the characters, it's the situations and it's those little touches like that, those sort of little sort of just so so many.

Chris So so many.

Adam It's like airplane, almost.

Chris Yeah, yeah, no, it is, yeah, that's definitely.

Adam It's that particular like the walk through the lobby, I suppose they're a disaster film, a Gremlins film is technically a disaster film, it's like this is the towering inferno, but it was because little ass was got in.

Lee Yeah.

Adam I I cannot, I cannot overstate my ludicrous affection for the Gremlins, just just them as a chaotic mass are oh, they're just so splendidly heartwarming, this of just just everything.

Adam And you've got like you say, you've got new ones in this like you've got figures.

Adam Yeah.

Adam Characters almost like there's more than it's more than just a hold and spark.

Lee Yeah.

Adam You and no, Stripe, sorry.

Adam in this and then you've got yeah.

Adam But you've got a few more of those but also just the general sort of futsal chaos of the Gremlins really tickles me in this film.

Adam It's just yeah.

Adam Much like my favorite bit that's all my favorite bits in the original is like the bit where they're in the barn and stuff like that, you know.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Yeah, and this film is just that for an hour and a half effectively, they're all just and they do, they all have their own little personal.

Lee I mean, obviously, the Brainy Gremlin is the is the one that you remember.

Chris He's great.

Adam Yeah.

Lee yeah, and the female Gremlin as I mentioned before, I love the gargoyle one as well.

Chris Yeah.

Lee Like it just oh, it's just it's so so well written and so well done.

Lee And it does that's why the Key and Peel sketch works because if you describe it to someone, it's an awful mess and it's ludicrous, but when you watch it, it's utterly hilarious.

Chris Perfectly, yeah.

Adam I've never I've never from that sketch, I've never understood where they stood on Gremlins 2, whether it's a whether it's a genuine attack or just, you know, because.

Chris I I thought it I thought it wasn't, I thought it was again, you know, like yeah, stating clearly, it is ridiculous.

Adam That's what I mean, I think I think it because to know it that well.

Chris Yeah.

Adam But but I think that's the thing with it's sort of it's intelligent and silly.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Because the dialogue is funny, like the brain Gremlin gets some amazing bits, you know, where it's like what is it where we're advising all our clients to put their money in the can foods and shotguns.

Chris Yeah.

Adam Yeah, yeah.

Adam I think I actually posted that on here the night like the night lockdown started because it was just Yeah, but just this sort of yeah, just this lovely wave of scaliness that sort of.

Adam Silly not stupid.

Lee Yes.

Lee No, that's exactly it that's exactly why it works.

Adam I am not taking any credit for that, that was just been flashed to me by by my scientific advisor and my good lady wife, who are one of the same.

Lee Yeah.

Adam And yeah, she's just flashed that up.

Adam Silly not stupid.

Lee No, that's exactly right.

Lee Yeah.

Adam And it is.

Chris Very good.

Adam So.

Adam Well, well done, mate.

Adam We'll this is just going to this we'll just let her do it, I think.

Adam We we're unnecessary at this point.

Lee The music in this as well, I think.

Chris Yeah.

Lee It's.

Chris It's just it's just been going around my head since watching it.

Lee The.

Lee As soon.

Lee As the theme tune came on, Jennifer went, why is this not my ringtone never said this is my ringtone and it's perfect.

Adam It sums them up so well.

Lee Yeah.

Adam Especially because you get that sort of like wontsy Broadway bit in the middle of it.

Adam Is sort of.

Adam So.

Adam So you've got the the main of the main bit of it and then that sort of yeah.

Adam But.

Lee And the other.

Adam Jerry Goldsmith's in this.

Adam Jerry.

Adam Goldsmith's one of the guy, he's the old guy with white hair who's at the yogurt stand.

Lee That.

Lee So.

Adam Because.

Adam Literally I mean I think that's the thing is like you were saying like you've got in the Burbs, you've got did you spot Dr. Klopec?

Lee Yes, yes, I did.

Adam He's the guy having a fag who gets sacked on CCTV, he never actually appears on a proper camera in the.

Chris Is it?

Chris Yeah.

Adam And and the security guard is oh, what's his name, you know the Yeah, so he's you know, he's the neighbor from the Burbs and it's like they're all neighbors fucking.

Lee That why I don't know.

Lee Yes.

Lee

Lee Sorry, and the other music is what so I love the fact it's got faith no more surprise you're dead on here.

Lee Yeah.

Lee and South of Heaven, I believe it is definitely a slayer track.

Lee I think it.

Adam Oh, no, it's Angel of Death.

Lee Oh, it's Angel of Death.

Adam It's that middle bit of Angel of Death.

Adam You know, the the one that public enemy sampled for she watched channel zero.

Adam It's that and Barry Adamson did as well.

Adam Sorry.

Adam I just I've been I've been having a fight with myself because I've been doing the I've been putting music on the posts on Instagram.

Adam I was pondering this the other day is because obviously we've done Gremlins.

Adam We did it years ago and

Adam In fact it was episode 63.

Adam So.

Lee Oh, God.

Adam Oh, excuse me.

Lee When we were much younger.

Chris Yeah.

Adam The Burbs was episode 59.

Adam So that's the last time we've done any Joe Dante so, you know, sorry, Joe, I love his films so much, I can't believe we haven't done but I think that was the thing, I think because we love them, we splashed out really early on a lot of his stuff.

Lee Oh, sorry.

Adam Yeah, that's true.

Adam Yeah, we did much much like much much like we did with John Carpenter, but not to the fucking ludicrous extent that we'd basically we were basically a John Carpenter podcast.

Lee Yeah.

Lee So it's like every film, oh it's John Carter this week, what a fucking surprise.

Adam But there we go.

Adam But no no offense to Mr. Carter because he is a fucking god.

Lee Yeah, exactly.

Lee I mean, it's it's it's it's it's been well placed that love that we've poured upon him.

Adam I think also Joe Joe Dante's not just a horror director though.

Chris

Chris Yeah, I just saw he did inner space.

Adam I didn't realize.

Adam Yeah, the only other thing I think we could do Piranha or The Howling.

Lee Yeah, we need to do the howling.

Lee Howl is fucking good.

Lee We do need to do the Howling, that is a fantastic and again, half the fucking car in it.

Adam He.

Chris Chris, have you seen the Howling?

Chris I haven't, no.

Lee Oh.

Lee Bless.

Adam Well for a start, Robert Picardo's in this, you know the the head of services, Foster, the guy from from Star Trek.

Chris

Adam The doctor from no, Voyejer.

Adam And

Chris

Adam Yeah, yeah, no, he's in the howling and that's weird but but yeah.

Chris Yeah, wait, I he was the the second in command, wasn't he in this.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Have you just.

Chris I totally did not realize that.

Lee Have you.

Adam Oh, sorry.

Chris Is it Yeah, once you said it, I was like, yeah, the doctor, yeah, that's him.

Adam Yeah, Robert Picardo.

Chris Yeah.

Adam But you I mean there's loads.

Adam Because obviously you get like you get most of well, you get four from the first film back.

Lee You know.

Chris Yeah, because that's why Dick Miller is the other one.

Adam Dick Miller.

Lee Yeah, Dick Miller is the other one, yeah.

Adam Again, weirdly enough, we've I think we've only covered Dick Miller in Joe Dante films.

Chris Yeah.

Adam So, you know, I think we need to we do need to sort of investigate where we're going wrong there because he was in loads of stuff.

Lee Every time I see him, I think, I need to add Bucket of Blood to my watch list again, because I've only seen it once and every time I forget and I really do need to go back and rewatch that.

Adam Also, he's in the original Little Shop of Horrors.

Chris

Lee Yes, he is.

Lee Yeah.

Lee Now, that's a good film as well.

Lee That's another one.

Adam That is a bloody good film.

Lee

Adam But the also apparently in the I was going to say in the novel, Dr. Carter has a, which is Christopher Lee's character, does have a first name.

Lee Oh.

Adam He's Cushing.

Lee

Adam Cushing Cartaker, so yeah, I mean.

Adam Oh, dear.

Adam Yeah.

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