Late Night With The Devil

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:30 Adam And I'm Adam.

0:32 Lee and we're joined this evening by a special return guest yet again, Lady Jennifer is with us.

0:39 Lady Jennifer because she also likes this film and wanted to be involved. Can't stop returning, it's all good.

0:46 Chris Hello.

0:48 Chris I was just going to jump in and say, Adam looks like he's doing something, but we might have to make some adjustments.

0:56 Chris Because it looks like he's waving his hand around in the air and it, the thing that he's got is slightly blurred out.

1:43 Chris And also I don't think it's transmitting.

1:46 Lady Jennifer Yeah.

1:46 Lee No.

1:47 Lady Jennifer I think I know what it is.

1:49 Lee I can't hear it.

1:50 Adam No.

1:51 Chris But you do, you do look very nice just waving your hand around like that. I think you should do that with the time.

1:56 Adam Well, I don't know why, I don't know why you're not picking it up though. There is my theorem.

2:00 Chris There, there is an option in Zoom for something like original sound. It might be trying to apply a filter.

2:08 Lady Jennifer It thinks it's annoying background noise when it isn't.

2:11 Lee Oh, oh, there we go. We got it.

2:14 Lady Jennifer Do it again.

2:19 Lee No, it's gone again.

2:20 Lady Jennifer No.

2:21 Adam No.

2:21 Lee It's just like that one note.

2:24 Adam fair enough.

2:25 Lady Jennifer The spirits are coming through.

2:27 Lee Yes.

2:28 Adam I love spirits.

2:31 Lee So there will be spoilers, there will be swearing, unfortunately there won't be theraemin.

2:37 Lee but we are here this evening to cover 2023's Late Night With The Devil.

3:25 Adam Yes.

3:26 Lee We haven't done a run down of what the films are about and every time I accidentally listen to one of our episodes, because I never intentionally listen, I always think, we don't do that, so for anyone who hasn't seen the films, they're probably going, I don't, I don't understand.

3:39 Lee So just a very quick run down as I would like to start doing this again.

3:43 Lee so it's the idea is it's found footage from a television broadcast from 1977 of a late night TV show, Halloween special where they bring on a few spooky themed guests and a possessed girl.

4:01 Lee And unsurprisingly.

4:03 Lady Jennifer Yeah, and shit now.

4:06 Adam And shit go down.

4:07 Lee Yes, exactly.

4:10 Lee so Chris, as I believe you're the only one of us who hadn't seen this movie prior to this week.

4:19 Lee What did you make of Late Night With The Devil?

5:02 Chris I think it was a film that knew what it wanted to do.

5:07 Chris It planned it well.

5:10 Chris And you weren't shocked at the end, but throughout you were pleasantly you know, taken on a a nice, somewhat mysterious, journey.

5:28 Chris Yeah, and you get to the end and you're like, yep, you did that well.

5:34 Lady Jennifer Yeah, that's fair.

5:36 Chris all of the characters are great, they all work perfectly.

5:41 Chris It's a great blend of entertaining, sometimes funny, and then sometimes sinister, then sometimes very sinister.

5:53 Lee Yeah, I think that does encapsulate.

5:55 Lee I mean, it's one of the things that particularly stands out for me for this film is just the look and feel of it.

6:42 Lee Like it's got that 1970s.

6:43 Chris It's great style. Yeah.

6:46 Lee Late Night TV show just down to it.

6:49 Chris It could absolutely be.

6:51 Lady Jennifer Yeah.

6:52 Lee From then.

6:53 Lady Jennifer The way they did the cuts, the adverts and the little snippets of like bits back in again, yeah, it's very clever.

6:59 Adam Is that it, it has that same feel as like look around you?

7:04 Lady Jennifer Yes.

7:05 Chris Yes, just so.

7:07 Lady Jennifer Yes.

7:08 Adam Perfect.

7:09 Adam I mean it's a look around you is a totally different thing, but it's just that sort of absolutely sort of perfect like the, the look, the design, the way it's filmed, the warmth, fuzz of the videotape, you know, just everything is.

7:26 Adam It's basically until a certain point, or actually until you go to an advert break and you see the behind the scenes bit, you could probably, you, you could persuade someone it was a bit of archive television.

8:14 Chris Yeah, which that was nice.

8:22 Lee Oh yeah, definitely.

8:23 Adam You know, you could, you could just put it on and, and, and that would be the point that that spell would be broken, but basically, yeah, you could sort of, certainly the first sort of like five minutes of it, you could just people would just assume that it is for real, just something.

8:38 Adam You know, especially over here, because obviously, although we were aware of American talk shows and stuff like that, they would, they weren't sort of imported to us, we had our own ones.

8:48 Adam So, it sort of, yeah.

8:52 Chris It did it even take a bit of a, like it, it built it up, it, it did play as if it was the the TV show for quite a long time at the start.

9:04 Chris So it really did draw you in completely, almost you forget you're watching a horror film.

9:08 Chris Which some, some films we've seen have done that.

9:11 Chris and then what I really liked was the fact that the first guy who seems like he's going to be the main event isn't exactly.

9:21 Lee Yeah.

9:21 Lady Jennifer Hey.

9:22 Lee Hey, Chris, too.

9:23 Lady Jennifer Yeah.

9:23 Lee Yeah, his performer and that's the thing, the other thing I love, the performances in this, obviously David Dastmalchian as the as the host was excellent, but yeah, the psychic who comes out at the beginning who is just a slimy, horrible piece of shit, was it was played perfectly and then of course you've got the skeptic who is just obnoxious, the performances just rang so true, it was amazing.

10:22 Chris Yes, obnoxious.

10:24 Chris Yeah.

10:28 Adam It's it's one of those things where I, I watched this, I actually got shout out to former guest Drew, I went to the cinema with Drew and saw this.

10:39 Lady Jennifer Oh.

10:40 Adam And it was, yeah, just I just afterwards I was just like, fucking fizzing with like, oh, that's like, you know, that he's like James Randi and this one's like, you know, it's.

10:54 Chris I mean, I I think I think he was not actually quite like James Randi. I think James Randi was probably.

10:59 Adam Worse.

10:59 Lee Yeah.

11:00 Chris No, no I imagine him to be nicer than that.

11:03 Adam James Randi, James Randi definitely was would be, was a lot nicer, I would say.

11:09 Adam But I tell you I tell you what, because right, this is the bit that's possibly going to blow your minds if you've not looked into the making of this.

11:57 Adam this was apart from David Dastmalchian, this is like everyone else in the cast Australian and this was made in Melbourne.

12:09 Lee Wow.

12:10 Lady Jennifer Oh.

12:10 Lee Yeah, didn't know that at all.

12:12 Adam No, seriously, like pretty much every, I think pretty much all the other actors are like Australian or Australian based and like there.

12:19 Adam Yeah.

12:20 Adam So, what, you know, just from that point of view it was like, wow, that's just pretty fucking incredible when you said.

12:28 Adam Because, because it was because when I was looking at like the cast list, mostly because I was like, right, I want to see everything that this person's done.

12:34 Lee Yeah.

12:35 Adam You know, and, and, but the majority of them it was sort of stuff that I'd never heard of or they'd been in it much. I, but yeah, they're like sort of, so most of the most of the cast is Australian. it's only David Das Malchen who's the who's the only American actually like with a speaking part basically.

13:36 Adam So, yeah, it's sort of just that is incredible to me as well, because it's just so perfectly.

13:49 Lady Jennifer I think that works, doesn't it? Because they're not well known actors and again, sometimes I think that works better in this sort of show because you want to believe this is just a TV show.

13:59 Adam Oh, absolutely, yeah.

13:59 Lee Yeah, it's got to be and you know, you can't not draw the the the similarities between this and Ghostwatch.

14:07 Adam Yeah.

14:07 Lee which obviously a favorite of all of us.

14:11 Adam I've seen a lot of people saying it saying that online. I think that and I think that's mostly because a lot of people who are now watching Ghostwatch, it is archive television.

14:21 Adam Whereas obviously the essential difference was when Ghostwatch came out, it was, that was the tele that was now.

15:07 Lee Yeah.

15:08 Adam That was the current that looked like current TV, that was why it worked and why it scared shit out of.

15:13 Lady Jennifer But you think, but you think now it still.

15:15 Lady Jennifer Yeah, does it still work going back to it and in fact you said you went to see it with Drew, who is slightly younger than us?

15:21 Lady Jennifer Like, not that we were really around in the 70s, but you know what I mean, did it still work for him?

15:26 Adam Oh, no, it still it still worked for him and I think that's the point is, because I think now it just works it.

15:31 Adam But then that also then led me into some weird idea where it was like, well, if I can get hold of a time machine, I could go back and show this and possibly like mentally scar a nation.

15:44 Lady Jennifer Wow.

15:45 Lady Jennifer And not making money out of it.

15:46 Adam Make them believing that this actually happened.

15:48 Adam Because I mean, you know, if you were to take it back with modern effects, which I mean, there's a fairly modest, you know, it's only towards the end that it really starts getting you know, any any special effects elements come into it particularly.

16:45 Adam but yeah, you could you could just destroy a a fucking nation by just putting that on one night.

16:51 Lady Jennifer Any nation, Adam, particularly that you would destroy?

16:54 Adam Well, it would it would have to be America, certainly, because I think you just wouldn't translate anywhere else, but yeah.

17:00 Lady Jennifer Americans are worse.

17:03 Lee yeah, the other thing I I I really liked that I'd forgotten all about, yeah, was like the link to Bohemian Grove.

17:12 Lee I'd forgotten all about that element of it, because I'd only seen it the once when it first came out.

17:15 Lee And as much as I loved it, because as soon as it came out and me and Adam discussed it and said there's no way we can't do an episode on it.

17:24 Lee I purposefully left it alone and didn't come back until this evening.

17:29 Lee yeah, so I'd forgotten the whole Bohemian Grove bit and the whole,

17:34 Lee Because of course they mention it slightly at the beginning.

17:37 Adam Yes.

17:38 Lee Kept my interest and then it comes back in obviously later as a much bigger bigger element.

18:23 Lady Jennifer The tree is the hint to that, right? Yes.

18:25 Lady Jennifer I thought that was only familiar, but I'm not quite as you know obsessed as you are.

18:29 Adam And the, the owl.

18:30 Lady Jennifer Maybe being female, you know, because, you know, we wouldn't get invited.

18:33 Lee Well.

18:35 Adam Yeah, that's true.

18:36 Adam Women, women and other guests have to be out before nine.

18:39 Lady Jennifer That's it.

18:39 Lady Jennifer Men and women.

18:40 Adam Just in case you saw Richard Nixon piss up a tree.

18:43 Lady Jennifer Yeah.

18:44 Lee It would scar you for life.

18:47 Adam Because that, I mean, that was the thing as well is it was just again, that was another one where I was like, oh, there's, there's like Bohemian Grove in there, there's all these sort of elements and it's kind of like, you find all these real things.

19:01 Adam And then put them together in a way that actually it's sort of like the history that you want from that exciting movie.

19:11 Lee Yeah, absolutely.

19:14 Adam It's it's like, you know, it's it's basically sort of like it's the stories you want to be true of all these things because they'd be far more exciting and everything else like that.

20:04 Adam And.

20:04 Lee Just a load of rich twats going to take drugs and have all G's in the forest where no media are allowed and their wives aren't allowed to go effectively, I think is what it seems to be.

20:15 Adam Well, because I went on a bit of a, I went on a bit of a deep dive and bless Claire was sat next to me watching, through the week.

20:28 Adam But I went back and I watched, like there's I was watching, there's a a really good James Randi like produced documentary on, on YouTube, which was just it was just an episode of a current affairs show.

20:44 Adam But it's him talking about all the people he's exposed and obviously like Yuri Geller and how they set Yuri Geller up on the Johnny Carson show.

20:53 Lee Yeah.

20:54 Adam And there's clips of that up there and I went back and I watched, the Jon Ronson's Secret Rulers of the World where they where where weirdly enough, he goes to Bohemian Grove with fucking Alex Jones.

21:48 Adam You know, freaking frogs are gay.

21:50 Adam But this was before, I mean, I mean this is the thing, at one point they go and here he is, he's only 26.

21:56 Adam Fuck off.

21:57 Lady Jennifer No.

21:57 Lee No.

21:58 Lady Jennifer Old.

21:58 Adam 90 red bollocks.

22:00 Adam But admittedly, this was the 90s, he probably was about 20 odd, but it's just yeah, he's just permanently got that old angry face.

22:07 Adam And but yeah, and and sort of so I was watching that, I watched, because the opening bit, I love the documentary sort of that feel of that opening sequence.

22:19 Adam Where it's just that's like every documentary that I've watched very late at night in an altered state.

22:25 Adam It's just like, yeah, let's talk about the seventies, there we go, right, Vietnam, there we go, Santa, right, okay, Bundy, right, okay, we're getting all in.

22:33 Adam Whereas all these sort of.

22:36 Adam And the,

22:38 Adam Like, so I watched Killing of America.

23:21 Lee I was just about to say it made me feel like watching Killing of America.

23:25 Adam Yeah.

23:26 Adam And actually, if you notice, the title card is the same like font and lettering as Killing of America, so it's like the red, white and blue when you watch Killing of America, you'll see it come up, it's the basically the same as the title card for this.

23:37 Lady Jennifer No.

23:38 Adam But yeah, Killing of America is like.

23:40 Adam So we watched that, so that was a that was a cheerful, that was cheerful.

23:43 Adam but and there's like the a documentary Witchcraft '70, a lot of this stuff's all up on YouTube and it was really sort of, yeah, just wanting to sort of.

23:54 Adam And funnily enough, watching because me and Claire watched it previously like when it first came on Shudder.

24:02 Adam And at that point, but so when we were watching it back, Claire was like, yeah, I did wonder why we were watching Alex Jones walking around fucking Bohemian Grove.

24:13 Adam Because it's.

24:13 Lee Yeah.

24:14 Adam I couldn't because that element because a lot of it's all these elements that are just there, they're little flavors of bits of world building.

25:02 Adam That kind of, they're brilliant because you can go down a rabbit hole with them, but they're also brilliant because you don't have to have that knowledge there.

25:11 Chris Yeah.

25:12 Lady Jennifer To enjoy.

25:14 Lee Yeah, I was going to say that to Chris, obviously not knowing Bohemian Grove and that type of stuff.

25:18 Lady Jennifer He knows he does.

25:19 Chris Doesn't detract.

25:20 Lady Jennifer It's in the know. It's in the know.

25:22 Lady Jennifer You know, he's been this week, don't you?

25:24 Lee He's got an electric car.

25:25 Lady Jennifer Exactly, he's in the know.

25:28 Lady Jennifer Don't you worry.

25:29 Chris The devil is, is after me.

25:32 Lady Jennifer Ha ha ha.

25:33 Lee But yeah.

25:34 Adam Tell him to wait his turn then.

25:36 Lee Ha ha ha.

25:38 Lee But yeah, I assume that you know, even not being steeped in that kind of I suppose because it's only a small trigger to the film so so even if you don't know that stuff, it it doesn't detract from it, you don't feel like you missed anything or it does now. They told him.

25:54 Adam But you get the, but that's the thing you get the gist and then I'll send you my YouTube playlist, Chris, because I've got my.

25:59 Adam because that's the thing is like you like Killing of America and Witchcraft '70 are these things called Mondo documentaries, which sort of they're just basically.

26:50 Adam I mean, so Witchcraft '70 is basically was like an Italian documentary, which was basically sort of like, how many people can we get to get their tits out in the names of weird ceremonies?

27:05 Adam So you've got like Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan in there, which is obviously very much like the Abraxas cult.

27:10 Adam And but then you've got the Abraxas cult setting fire to the place, which is very Waco, like the Waco siege and things like that.

27:19 Adam And it's yeah, there's just sort of all this stuff in there and but yeah, I don't.

27:28 Chris So, so this film's like a good primer to, you know, get into a lot of that.

27:32 Adam Absolutely.

27:33 Lee It is, it is a fun rabbit hole.

27:35 Lee Because although it's 100% real when everyone knows it definitely's not a conspiracy in that, you know, nobody knows it. It definitely really is a thing that exists.

28:24 Lee And it's a secret club.

28:27 Chris Secret, not not so secret.

28:28 Lee But very few people know about.

28:31 Adam What.

28:31 Lee Yes.

28:32 Adam It's, well, it's more the thing that builds up the whole mystique around Bohemian Grove.

28:36 Adam So for anyone who's not aware, Bohemian Grove is basically a area in California where it's an exclusive men's club, like the I think they've had four honorary female members and I think like the last one died in like 1928.

28:55 Lady Jennifer So.

28:56 Adam So, you know, it's been, it's been a, it's been very much closed off.

28:58 Lady Jennifer They killed her. Is that what you're saying?

29:00 Adam No, no, not not that I would not that I would swear to it, but who knows.

29:05 Adam But basically, yeah, so it's this sort of space where and like I say, there's this really good documentary, it was part of a series called Secret Rulers of the World and it's Jon Ronson looking at Bohemian Grove.

29:17 Adam And he talks to not just Alex Jones who infiltrate with a camera and sort of takes it, but he speaks to other people and even like oh Harry Shearer from The Simpsons once went just because he knows someone.

30:11 Adam Because it's not just politicians, it's also actors and musicians.

30:16 Adam And really, it's.

30:17 Chris Anyone who wants success, powerful, rich men.

30:20 Adam Exactly, yeah.

30:20 Adam Well, the amount, I think the weird thing is with it is the amount of, because the thing that brings it up is there's loads of presidents like former and future presidents have been cited there and everything else like that.

30:35 Lady Jennifer But they let Trump in, so they have, that totally ruins it all.

30:38 Adam Probably, probably.

30:40 Lady Jennifer No, no, no.

30:41 Adam But the but the weird thing is I also think that says a lot about how if you've not had a class system for a very, very long time, America is a relatively young place, that they don't understand like we have prime ministers who all went to fucking school together.

30:56 Lee Yeah.

30:57 Adam And it's much the same thing, it's like, yeah, they're all former presidents there, it's not because there's a massive conspiracy, it's because they're all rich fucks who all hang around together.

31:46 Adam And they're probably, you know, they're they're only sort of like three degrees of separation from each other.

31:53 Chris Do they all go to the guest list of people who get to be president?

31:56 Chris Because anyone, anyone who has great success but didn't go to it, all the people that did go to it might be questioning like, hold on.

32:04 Lee Yeah.

32:04 Chris What have they got?

32:06 Lee I mean, it's one of those there's, so it isn't easy to find out who has and has.

32:10 Lee Some people have and have openly said it.

32:13 Lady Jennifer Yeah, their name's on the thing.

32:14 Lee But equally, or there have been people who have been there who definitely have been there who have denied it, and the whole thing is shrouded in secrecy.

32:22 Lee But the thing that we do know is they have a a big ceremony on like the Saturday night, which culminates in a thing they call the Cremation of Care, which is like a 100 foot high wicker owl that they all wear robes and chant around and set fire to at the end of it.

32:39 Adam It's a big owl, it's a no, the Cremation of Care, they burn an effigy, but in front of a big stone owl with speakers in it that can it's a lot of theatrics and a lot of and I'm not denying it, because I do think that yes, it is the place where the fuckers who run the world probably get together and out of the sight of people and make plans that are going to make our lives fucking dreadful.

33:20 Chris Of course.

33:42 Lady Jennifer Well, they're rich.

33:42 Lady Jennifer If there's a lot of rich people, rich people and actors, get them together, what are they going to do, put a show on, surely.

33:47 Adam Exactly.

33:48 Adam This this is what it is, this is like this is a these are all the failures who've had to go into other things who are like sort of, you know, well, actually, I really could have been a great director, but I've ended up having to be the head of this bank.

33:59 Lady Jennifer Ha ha.

34:01 Adam If I'd have been given my opportunity, my Hamlet would have been fucking amazing, so it's just all these but but now he can conscript the Rolling Stones to do the fucking music and get Clint Eastwood to play the ghost.

34:14 Lee Do you know what I mean?

34:14 Chris Clint Eastwood.

34:15 Adam It's like it's all these sort of.

34:17 Lee Clint Eastwood has been and openly. Oh, would he? Oh.

35:02 Lee yeah, I think he was very negative about it from what I remember.

35:05 Adam

35:07 Lee But yeah, so I loved all that.

35:09 Lee Just an aside just because I want to mention it before I forget.

35:13 Lee I appreciate that obviously a lot of people have put a lot of money into this and.

35:17 Lady Jennifer The film or the.

35:18 Lee And want it, the fact that it's a minute and 45 seconds before you get through the fucking idents and the film starts.

35:27 Adam You've been looking at my notes.

35:29 Lee What?

35:30 Lee Oh, it is, so there's a minute and Jennifer missed the time, yeah.

35:32 Lady Jennifer I mean you missed the time, yeah.

35:34 Lee There's a nearly two minutes of pure ident after and you keep thinking on each one, oh, it's the beginning of the film.

35:41 Lee Because everyone is like a huge cinematic epic thing that.

35:45 Adam You're doing the you're doing the Family Guy thing.

35:47 Adam You're just going.

35:48 Lee Yes.

35:48 Chris Right.

35:49 Lee It's yeah.

35:50 Adam But then, but then this is the problem is that films this is a really, really great film, but it clearly needed so many back, backer and everything else to get it just to get it made.

36:42 Adam Whereas, you know, if they'd have gone to Bohemian Grove, they probably could have got three sequels out of it.

36:46 Lady Jennifer Ha ha.

36:47 Lee But I mean it's great that they managed that and I do appreciate that, I do get it, but yeah, the idents are so long.

36:53 Adam I had the time it as well because I just.

36:56 Lady Jennifer You know there's a button called fast forward.

36:58 Lady Jennifer That's been around for a while.

37:00 Lady Jennifer It was on like.

37:00 Adam Not in the not in the cinema there isn't.

37:02 Adam We were.

37:03 Lady Jennifer Yeah, that's when you open your popcorn, nip out for another wee, get another drink.

37:09 Chris Now what I'd like to know is who was the guy, possibly a guy, it might have been a woman, in the skeleton costume?

37:16 Adam Oh, no one knows.

37:17 Lady Jennifer Oh.

37:18 Chris All right.

37:18 Adam Oh.

37:19 Adam That's that one knows where you like something's going to happen.

37:23 Lee What's that?

37:24 Adam He gives a you see that loads of people online are just like, I was just waiting for him to do something, I was waiting during the thing.

37:32 Adam And I think actually that's one of the great things about it is it has a nice subversion to it, because like for example, I thought when it got towards the end, I thought, oh, so Carmichael is the devil and the whole setup had been that the guy who's sitting there pooing everything as a skeptic is the devil.

37:36 Chris Yeah, yeah.

38:28 Lee Yeah.

38:31 Adam You know, because that there's that sequence where he hypnotizes Gus.

38:35 Lee Yeah.

38:36 Adam And you sort of like, right, that's all gone.

38:39 Chris Yeah.

38:40 Adam And I have to say, I mean, everyone's fucking great in this.

38:44 Adam Gus is fucking brilliant, like the the sort of second banana character who's like sort of his announcer and backup guy and warm-up man and everything else like that is just fucking spot on.

39:00 Lady Jennifer He's just got all the good jokes.

39:03 Chris Yeah.

39:04 Lee He just plays awkward so so perfectly and believably and getting, you know, deer in the headlights caught in things that he doesn't he didn't expect him to happen.

39:14 Chris But then when he has his moment, he takes off.

39:17 Lee Yes.

39:18 Lady Jennifer Ha ha.

40:00 Adam But yeah, they're just like I just think everyone's so good in this.

40:05 Chris And Lily as well, she was great.

40:07 Adam Yes, yeah.

40:09 Adam Ingrid Torre.

40:12 Lee Torelli, yeah.

40:13 Lady Jennifer Australian as well.

40:15 Adam Sorry.

40:16 Lady Jennifer Australian as well or.

40:17 Adam Yeah, she's Australian.

40:19 Adam And she actually has won, she won awards for playing Matilda in the musical of Matilda.

40:26 Adam A few years back like on like like Australian, Broadway, yeah.

40:30 Chris Theater, Broadway.

40:33 Adam Whatever the Australian broad wide.

40:35 Chris Ha ha.

40:36 Adam Broadway.

40:38 Adam But yeah, and I think,

40:40 Adam But yeah, the guy who plays Gus, Reece Auteri, he's only got two credits, but he's like a he's like an improv comedian and actor and like does a lot of stage stuff.

40:51 Adam But it's really weird because I got a real Henry Zabrowski vibe from him.

40:55 Lee Do you know I I was watching it today and that point when he was pulling all the worms out, I was like, how did Henry not get this, when he's friends with David Dastmalchian, it's amazing that he wasn't called up to do this and he'd have been in there like a shot, wouldn't he?

41:46 Lee Let's be honest, he'd be in there.

41:49 Lady Jennifer Didn't he go to Australia?

41:50 Adam Quite possibly, yes, gone there to run.

41:53 Adam That's the thing is it was like sort of just reading that and I was like, oh, he's an improv comedian and it's like, oh, right, okay, so this is this is very much a type, you know.

42:02 Lee Yes.

42:03 Lee we were saying about obviously the budget and the fact that it was funded by lots and lots of smaller studios and production teams.

42:11 Lee I I yeah, I loved the effects on this.

42:13 Lee I thought it was like that that final effect, right, we're getting into spoiler territory now if we hadn't already.

42:19 Adam I think we already have.

42:21 Lee Yeah.

42:22 Adam We said we were spoiling at the start, if you've made it this far without watching it, you're fucking mental.

42:27 Adam So.

42:28 Lee That point where Lily's head splits in half and all the light comes out.

42:32 Lee There's just something about the villain of the piece being a a small child with its head splitting in two down the middle, that was horrific.

43:20 Lady Jennifer She's not the villain.

43:22 Lee The demon in her.

43:24 Lee Yeah, it's yeah, it just it's so original and it looked excellent.

43:30 Chris Yeah.

43:32 Adam I had a weird thought about that though, because when they first contact Mr. Wriggles.

43:38 Adam He's very sort of it he seems very he's not aware of where he is and it's kind of like what is going on or whatever like that.

43:45 Lady Jennifer He's just pretending, he's lying.

43:50 Adam Is this all kicked off because he didn't want to be on telly?

43:53 Lee Yeah.

43:54 Chris Do you know what I mean?

43:55 Adam I think.

43:56 Adam Because we already know that, you know, he's already sort of whatever's gone on with Jack Delroy and what he sacrificed to get there or whatever like that doesn't necessarily match up between the two things.

44:08 Adam And it could just be that the demon's like, right, that is it.

44:11 Lee Yeah.

44:12 Adam You know, you put me on telly, right, we're right, your your ratings are going up.

44:16 Chris It is harder to convince the world you don't exist if you're being filmed on a in front of a huge audience and broadcast to millions, yeah.

45:04 Lady Jennifer Hence maybe put it back on Jack Delroy as the you know, perpetrator perhaps at the end.

45:10 Chris Yeah.

45:11 Lee Yeah.

45:13 Adam Actually, I mean that's the thing as well is he is so David Dastmalchian is so it's the right level of sort of charisma, superficial charm, vaguely na sort of present him you see that drop.

45:28 Chris Yeah, like it's.

45:32 Chris You see that.

45:33 Chris Yeah.

45:34 Adam You see that it's still there, because it's kind of like that's what's made him where he is.

45:37 Adam So he's still hey everybody and you know.

45:37 Chris He's trained it.

45:40 Chris It's not the same.

45:41 Adam It's not And especially when he's talking with the producer, who is one of the funniest fucking characters in it.

45:49 Lady Jennifer I just love the producer.

45:50 Adam Because it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, this person really entertains me on screen, I would never want to be, I would never want to work for them because they're a fucking ass up.

45:59 Adam But actually on, you know, just from the outside, this is hilarious, because it's just so just couldn't give a fuck and, you know.

46:49 Adam When he's telling Gus to dial up the smile.

46:52 Lee Yeah.

46:53 Adam And get out there and do your fucking job.

46:55 Lee You know.

46:55 Adam You know.

46:57 Lee Yeah, I I mean, I thought the whole the whole setup of this was great, the way as you say, it started off with that kind of setting the time and what was going on.

47:05 Lee And then moving into Delroy's history and just, you know, not spending too much time on it.

47:11 Lee And and keeping this within the 90 minute runtime is a phenomenal, it's a there's an awful lot goes on in that 90 minutes.

47:20 Lee yeah, and it's just such a and it still leaves so many questions.

47:25 Lee For me, like the whole obviously they so he made a sacrifice in order to be famous, but we don't know whether he was aware that his wife was going to be that like, was he just told there would be a sacrifice and he didn't realize how deep it was going to go and how bad it was going to be and he didn't realize that this was what he was paying and this was how he would receive.

48:25 Lady Jennifer Look at Lee getting his excuses in and ready.

48:27 Lady Jennifer Yeah, I don't think he would have known, I think maybe it would have been just, you know, a really unfortunate thing and you know, he wouldn't have sold his soul then, would he? Or his wife's soul?

48:36 Chris Or yeah, or did he not care?

48:39 Adam Well, this is this is.

48:41 Adam Yeah.

48:42 Adam And actually, I think one of the key bits for me, because there's a I mean there's there's lovely I mean the stuff that first time we watched the stuff that freak player out the most was just those little did that just happen.

48:52 Lady Jennifer Yeah.

48:54 Adam Like when where Lily's voice changes very briefly.

48:56 Adam You know, and stuff like that.

48:59 Adam But like and we've not talked about Laura Golden who plays June the psycholo well parapsychologist.

49:08 Chris Because because there's something going on with her and Jack.

49:11 Adam But.

49:11 Lady Jennifer Oh, yes.

49:12 Adam But that that look that she is like totally wordless, but that look she gives him where it's like when they're saying about, oh, well, can we get Mr. Wriggles to appear on the show and that look she gives him is proper, please don't do this, please help me, you are in control here and you can change that and just the shitty fucking way when he goes, well, you know, the people have spoken and you're like, oh, you shit bag and it's at that point that I'm like, you probably knew full well what's going to happen to your wife.

50:21 Lee Yeah.

50:22 Chris That's yeah, that's it.

50:23 Adam Because because even down to that, they sort of like say, oh, well, the highest rated episode is when she comes on great.

50:29 Adam Yeah, for real.

50:30 Adam And it's almost like that's the prophecy of like, right, you want your ratings to improve, you need to this is how you do it, but this will improve your ratings.

50:38 Adam It's just not, it's the sort of usual sort of trick, Faustian pact where it's like, oh, yeah, we'll get your ratings up, just not in a way that will in any way, shape or form be nice for you.

50:48 Lee Yeah.

50:49 Adam But it will happen.

50:51 Adam And it's sort of, yeah, there is a real and and again, it's just a lovely film to pick over in that sense.

50:58 Adam Not just the influences, but the stuff in there, like I've seen pages online of people just going, but what was going on with the skeleton dude, he was great and stuff like that, you know, it's.

51:49 Lee Well, even having watched it before, when I watched it back this evening, yeah, when you see him in the audience while Chris is going to.

51:59 Lee And I was like, I don't remember what happens with that, but something must happen.

52:02 Chris Something does, yeah.

52:03 Lee Apart from the fact he comes and stands with them all at the end in that mock-up of the Grove, there's, there's no, there is no payoff to that bit.

52:12 Lee But it does give you the impression, yeah, that those people were involved in the ritual, were there for that reason and they because it was a few of the people in costume from the crowd, get to join him in that later vision, but again, that's only a vision, so it might not be anything at all, it could be anything, which.

52:17 Chris Something's there.

52:31 Chris It's like there's like there's a good blend of foreshadowing and red herrings that just leave you yeah, guessing and and wondering throughout.

52:39 Adam See, I and I've I've seen a lot of people saying about it being like found footage film, which it kind of is, but it utterly breaks that at the end where it's like, no, we are now in Jack's private nightmare.

53:31 Chris Yeah.

53:33 Adam You know.

53:34 Adam But then that but then there's a great I think that's great like where Lily's asking is not frightened by the worms coming out of Gus and she's why is Gus being so silly and stuff like that.

53:44 Lady Jennifer She's also thinking, why is Gus being so silly?

53:47 Adam And it's like, you can either read that of, you know, oh, well, she's possessed and it's all happening and she doesn't care or she cuts she's not been mesmerized.

54:02 Adam Like they said there's a few people in the audience who aren't mesmerized who didn't see what we all saw.

54:07 Adam And, you know, there's even little touches like that.

54:11 Adam That you can sort of read in and sort of.

54:12 Adam You know, it's really, yeah, just there's so much in it.

54:17 Lee I think that's.

54:17 Lee I think as to your point, yeah, that's why it stands up so well to repeated viewings because there's things you pick up on the second time, when you know where it's going, that suddenly have a totally different meaning or, you know, you wouldn't have noticed if you didn't see five minutes into the future.

55:10 Lee So it's yeah, it's very cleverly constructed, it's a really, really solid film.

55:15 Lee I I was I didn't want my expectations at the beginning to go too high purely because I've been burnt before with stuff like this, where people are trust say it's great and then the public say it's great.

55:26 Lee And then I get it and go, yeah, I've I've clearly missed that.

55:33 Lady Jennifer They don't trust any of those people or the public.

55:36 Lee Well, the fact that you love it and they're here as well.

55:38 Lee I mean you're a testament.

55:39 Lady Jennifer Yeah, I just I think I love the whole 70s feel of it as well.

55:42 Lady Jennifer But I think, yeah, it's got all those different elements that together like when it starts getting a bit ridiculous like earlier.

55:48 Lady Jennifer I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot how ridiculous it gets.

55:51 Lady Jennifer But somehow that almost doesn't matter, like five minutes later, it pulls it back in again and it gets dark again and you yeah, somehow it just all works.

56:40 Lee Well, again, as you say, it does get ridiculous.

56:42 Lee But then it turns out that actually half of what you saw didn't really happen and was all his vision, so it doesn't seem ridiculous if it's just the vision that he's had.

56:46 Lady Jennifer Yes, exactly.

56:51 Lee Yeah.

56:52 Lady Jennifer Yeah, I'm very clever.

56:53 Lee I thought it's so good.

56:55 Lady Jennifer Are we still Whitely Bree Bree, Whitely?

56:58 Lee No.

56:58 Lady Jennifer We're not getting.

56:59 Lee No.

57:00 Lady Jennifer We should, we should bring her back.

57:01 Adam I'm going to put I'm going to put five five giant face worms up Whitney Street.

57:06 Lady Jennifer Ha ha.

57:07 Lady Jennifer Nice, Adam.

57:08 Lee Yeah, I second that.

57:09 Lady Jennifer Oh, yeah.

57:10 Chris Yeah, well, yeah.

57:11 Chris Yeah, I I just think they they just did they did it all right.

57:14 Chris You know, it's it's it did exactly what it set out to do.

57:19 Adam Well, the the directors of it, two brothers, Cameron and Colin Kane and I'm going to have to check out their other stuff.

57:24 Adam Because this was so fucking good.

57:28 Lady Jennifer Have they done other horror or just other stuff?

57:30 Adam I think they've they've done two films, one's called 100 Bloody Acres and another is called Scare Campaign.

57:38 Lady Jennifer Oh, horror then, yeah.

57:39 Adam I I think they're both certainly horror or horror adjacent, but I yeah, I sort of read the synopsis, they both look like interesting films, so yeah, I'll have to check them out.

58:30 Lee Excellent.

58:31 Lee Right, so, thanks ever so much for listening everybody.

58:34 Lee for definite, yeah, go and watch this if you haven't.

58:41 Lady Jennifer Well, it's actually Halloween is coming up soon.

58:42 Lady Jennifer So.

58:43 Chris Yeah.

58:44 Adam Exactly, it's going to be a Halloween film for me now, I think.

58:48 Lee Oh, I think this is going to be a yearly Halloween for me after last year, 100%.

58:53 Lee so.

58:55 Lee Go and check this out, we will be back in a fortnight's time, we will be covering, this is the first of our behind the scenes.

59:04 Adam Oh.

59:04 Chris Oh, yes.

59:05 Adam Yeah.

59:06 Chris Behind the scenes.

59:06 Lady Jennifer Oh.

59:07 Lee so.

59:08 Lady Jennifer What's that mean?

59:08 Lee You tell me Lee, what does that mean, we covered this film, which is obviously behind the scenes.

59:12 Lee And our next movie in a fortnight's time, we will be back for the much mentioned Shadow of the Vampire.

59:19 Adam Yes.

1:00:01 Adam Which is again, about making a film.

1:00:05 Lee Yes.

1:00:06 Lady Jennifer Oh.

1:00:06 Adam Yeah.

1:00:07 Lee So, so thanks ever so much for listening, go and watch Late Night with the Devil if you haven't already.

1:00:12 Lee And we will see you in a fortnight, thanks very much for listening, good night.

1:00:16 Lady Jennifer Whoa.

1:00:17 Chris Good night.

1:00:18 Adam Good night.

1:00:19 Lady Jennifer Bye then.

1:00:20 Lady Jennifer Serious goodbyes.