Guys at parties like it

0:23 Adam Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Adam.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:28 Adam And tonight we will be looking at the brand new film Guys at Parties like it from directors Colton David Coat and Mika Coat.

0:38 Adam There's no leave this evening, he is otherwise engaged. I'm not going to imply that he is hanging around the bins at Tesco's waiting for cheap dinners, but you know, if if you want to picture him that way you can do.

0:50 Adam But no, unfortunately, as mentioned on our last episode, Lee Lee's otherwise engaged, so it's just going to be myself and Mr. Christopher.

0:59 Adam And

1:00 Adam yeah, so we're going to as I say we'll be looking at guys at parties like it. It is a as I say, very new film.

1:06 Adam So what we'll be doing is we will talk about the film in more general terms and then we will give you an indication when there is going to be spoilers coming up or if we decide to move into more spoiler territory as we're discussing it.

1:20 Adam so

1:26 Chris Let's let's try not to forget that.

1:28 Adam Yeah, Oh, yeah, no, that's oh, yeah, and the other one is so there will be spoilers, but we will tell you and there will be swear, well there probably will be swearing, but Lee's not here so again, there might not be swearing.

1:40 Adam We hope not to disappoint in fact, bugger. There we go, so swearing is involved.

1:44 Chris Let's covered.

1:45 Adam Yeah, we're we're covered.

1:47 Adam Shit.

1:47 Adam There we go.

1:47 Adam He's done it.

1:48 Adam So there is swearing and there may be more swearing, if that's what you tuned in for.

1:53 Adam That may be all you're getting, but who knows?

1:55 Adam So stick to the end, see what happens.

1:57 Adam There could be a final sod, who knows.

2:00 Adam But there we go.

2:02 Adam So

2:07 Adam yes, so, guys at parties like it,

2:10 Chris So can we can we can we just start with the title?

2:13 Chris Because when I first read the title, it it hinted at something, I don't know if it's my inability to to like somehow the grammar confused me.

2:22 Chris And I was like, well, I kind of think I have an idea what it might be about.

2:29 Chris There's probably part is, there's probably guys and they could be things that some guys like to do at some parties.

2:34 Chris But yeah, aside from that, it didn't give away a whole lot.

2:40 Adam No.

2:40 Adam I mean, I, I mean, I along with along with when I saw the trailer, it became clear that it was guy the guys who who are at these parties who like this thing aren't very nice guys.

2:54 Chris Not really, no.

2:56 Adam That became that became sort of pretty clear to to begin with.

3:00 Chris Especially some of them and ultimately pretty much all of them.

3:05 Adam Yes.

3:06 Chris Even if it can be shown, you know, sometimes it can appear like there may be wiggle room, but no, they're definitely all bad.

3:17 Adam Yeah, I think I think it's I think it's degrees of it's degrees of awfulness, but it's all awfulness.

3:24 Chris Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it's not as obvious, but it's still there.

3:28 Adam Yeah.

3:29 Adam And I think I think interestingly enough, I think this is something that I mean, I mean to give so to give people an idea.

3:37 Adam So the plot is that basically there is a fraternity party.

3:42 Adam At a college and it becomes clear that there are pledges.

3:47 Adam Who are coming into the fraternity and they have been given a time limit to lose their virginity.

3:52 Adam Otherwise, and it's implied that they will lose it in a in a different way than they might want to lose their virginity.

3:59 Adam And basically one one guy who's there targets a particular woman, well a particular particular woman who's there.

4:09 Adam Who has mostly mostly on sort of hearsay that she may be.

4:14 Chris Yeah.

4:15 Adam You know, for want of a better expression that she may be easy.

4:21 Chris

4:22 Adam You know,

4:23 Adam not not terminology I would want to use myself, but I'm assuming the terminology that the people involved would be using.

4:32 Adam Like the characters certainly.

4:34 Chris Certainly, yeah, if if not something even even worse than that.

4:38 Adam Yeah.

4:39 Adam And it's one of those, I think that's, I mean that was one of the things that I found with the film is that the the I mean utterly sort of I mean basically, yeah, all the antagonists of the film, which is essentially the fraternity, the the the group the group of men who are running this, including the pledges who are by by any means necessary apparently, they have to lose their virginity.

4:57 Adam And you know, whether whether the woman is conscious, willing or whatever, you know, is is irrespective.

5:05 Chris Secondary certainly to that.

5:08 Adam And I think that and I mean, unfortunately, I think it is something that is a pretty, you know, it's a pretty obvious real world problem.

5:22 Adam You know, I think that the amount that you've seen in the news, particularly this sort of this level of sort of.

5:33 Adam I mean, for want of a better expression, privileged certainly mainly white entitled men or boys in this in the college.

5:46 Adam But you do see a lot of horror stories.

5:47 Adam You know, real life horror stories about this sort of thing and particularly the one thing that always happens with those stories is that they never seem to actually pay any.

5:54 Adam There're never appears to be any justice or any consequence for them.

6:02 Adam I mean, there was the really horrible I can't I can't even remember the guy's name, but there was a particular example of a guy who had raped a woman whilst she was unconscious.

6:12 Adam And basically he was he got it it went to court but basically he got away with it on the basis that it might ruin his future.

6:19 Chris Yeah.

6:20 Adam To which the only natural and decent response is fuck him and fuck his future.

6:25 Adam You know,

6:26 Adam because he's obviously a fucking hideous creature.

6:29 Adam and unfortunately, far far more often this seems to be a thing where, you know, it's got away with, boys will be boys, oh, you've got to expect, you know, when people are regarding sexual assault as high jinks, you know.

6:41 Adam Because I mean, that's one of the things that came across in it is that there was that there's a line in it where they say, oh, it's not Porky's.

6:47 Chris Yes, yeah.

6:49 Adam Like basically there's the cuz there is cuz there's the guy.

6:52 Chris Wasn't that was that that was the the girl speaking to this guy, the the leader.

6:56 Adam Yeah, cuz cuz there's Brad, who is the pledge, who is trying to lose his virginity by any means necessary, who is trying to

7:02 Adam well, who is trying to rape Mary, basically.

7:04 Adam Or

7:05 Chris Well, yeah, or you know, we tricking not to get into too many spoilers.

7:08 Chris If we discuss the details of of Brad and his character and his evolution, cuz it's it's

7:17 Chris there's a sense early on that there's something a bit you you could say wrong with him.

7:24 Chris But he doesn't seem like the worst at this point.

7:28 Chris Whereas his brother, or or his the guy who essentially adopted him as a brother.

7:34 Adam Yes.

7:35 Adam Who who is the who's the head of the fraternity.

7:37 Chris Becomes clear just how twisted and you know, psychopathic, particularly towards all of the women.

7:45 Chris Possibly even towards most of the men he is.

7:48 Chris So that yes, that was Tony.

7:49 Chris So Tony and Brad essentially the main characters.

7:52 Adam They yes, and I but when yeah, when the line.

7:55 Adam Cuz it's oh when when they say to like when when they say to him, oh it's it's not Porky's.

8:03 Adam I did kind of think.

8:04 Adam Oh, that's he was Trixie.

8:05 Chris That was Trixie, yeah, yeah.

8:06 Adam says to says to Tony, oh it's not, you know, it's not, it's not Porky's.

8:12 Adam And I think that that was kind of like the thing of, you know, it's now got to be recognized that things that you used to be considered.

8:19 Adam Like, oh, it's a it's a

8:21 Chris It's just kind of fun.

8:24 Adam And and no, it's, you know, it's basically isn't drinking and sexual assault fun.

8:31 Chris Yeah.

8:32 Adam And you know, hope I mean, I would you think would hopefully move past certainly in terms of you know,

8:34 Chris Is that is that actually a thing?

8:37 Chris So I never saw Porky's or anything like it.

8:39 Chris But is that essentially, I mean, I got the impression that it's a comedy.

8:43 Chris It's not a horror, though.

8:44 Adam Oh no, no, it's just it's just a straight.

8:45 Adam It's just a straight ahead comedy, but I think that but again, it's that sort of thing where.

8:51 Adam Even when we've gone back and watched, you know, you go back and watch stuff and there is a really fucked attitude.

8:59 Chris It's clearly from, yeah.

9:01 Adam What what is appropriate for what is appropriate and what is considered, you know.

9:07 Adam Appropriate for entertainment, but also just appropriate in terms of behavior.

9:12 Adam It's like when you go back and like any, pretty much any 80s movie which involves a guy trying to get a girl really fucking comes off stalkerish or weird or creepy today.

9:23 Chris Yeah.

9:23 Chris I mean, it seems amazing, doesn't it when you see them now and you think how how did that ever seem like the right way to be.

9:32 Adam But the trouble is it's it clearly still is or it clearly still is with with some people.

9:39 Chris So I mean, they chose, you know, a frat and pledges and and but so, you know, I've known of sort of frat culture for, you know, forever.

9:46 Chris But, I'd never knew how closely the way films depicted it, like how realistic is that.

9:53 Chris And and of course, this this film is not exactly realistic in in superficially.

9:59 Chris I don't suppose anything like this has ever actually happened on these parties.

10:04 Chris But but then the serious elements of it clearly are, so it's Yeah.

10:07 Adam And I I think I think that's the thing is there's there's sort of points of it that are escudative.

10:13 Adam But I can see a lot of I can see a lot of reality in it.

10:18 Chris

10:19 Adam And it's really it's sort of the it's more the the fact that it's, you know, what these

10:28 Adam I'm going to call them arseholes, what these arseholes have planned.

10:34 Adam Starts getting more and more out of hand, it's not going the way they think it's going to go.

10:40 Adam And, you know,

10:43 Chris They're they're willing to

10:45 Adam They are being questioned or they are being fought against or they are being.

10:52 Adam Do you know what I mean?

10:53 Chris And they don't like that power being taken from them.

10:56 Adam Yeah, that actually seems to be that that is what brings out the real the real nastiness of them.

11:03 Adam And I think it's I mean there's there's a point where again, they managed to call a the police are called.

11:11 Chris

11:12 Adam But the policeman turns up and it's very much, oh, I used to go to this frat and boys will be boys.

11:18 Adam Yeah.

11:19 Adam You know, all lads together and it's like nothing, you know, no consequence comes of that.

11:25 Adam And it's and it is to be to be honest, it's it's a film that.

11:31 Adam Because I mean, that's the thing is I think American, we we don't have in England, we don't have fraternities and sororities.

11:37 Chris No.

11:38 Adam College or university or anything like that, so it's very much an American cultural thing.

11:44 Adam And I know that sort of like the I suppose the closest.

11:48 Chris The closest to things like that would be like the Bullingdon club that I've heard of.

11:53 Adam Yes.

11:53 Chris So I think in some, some you might get it, but yeah, definitely not as a culture throughout all universities.

11:57 Adam Yeah, it's not a thing where we have houses and sort of, you know, there's and it does and it's also a thing that there's a weird sort of.

12:04 Adam Like you say, there's like a weird history with it where, you know, these fraternities go on for years.

12:11 Adam And then it's like, oh, you're an old Delta house or you're an old whatever, you know.

12:17 Adam And it's sort of again, it becomes a bit like that sort of it's like any form of club or secretive organization.

12:25 Adam Where it's like everyone ends up, you know, it becomes an easy path through life.

12:30 Adam If you get

12:31 Chris Yeah.

12:31 Adam You know, if if you can sort of wangle that you're sort of like, oh, you know, that's

12:37 Adam It'll get you ahead in business, it's like, oh, you yeah, I went to that I went I was part of that or I was part of that fraternity or whatever like that.

12:43 Chris Suddenly you're trusted, no matter what and yeah.

12:46 Adam I mean like you say, over here it's much more it's much more just sort of like, did you go to what what we call public school, which America could call private school.

12:55 Adam Yeah.

12:55 Adam but yeah.

12:57 Adam But I mean, so essentially it's but I know that sort of sort of reading about it, they were saying that this sort of like parts of this came from like the director's own experience of being at college and stuff like that.

13:05 Chris Okay.

13:06 Adam And you and at that point you're just like, you poor bastard.

13:12 Chris Well, yeah, because.

13:13 Adam You know, I cannot I cannot reiterate over the sort of course of seeing sort of college life in most circumstances.

13:24 Adam And not even sort of stuff as extreme as this, but it does seem extremely just an oppressive thing to be in the center of.

13:32 Chris Absolutely.

13:33 Adam And I I think actually one of the things is is that is that I think there's a distance.

13:38 Adam I mean, you know, we're both.

13:41 Adam We both old.

13:42 Chris So.

13:43 Adam Yeah.

13:44 Adam So you in a in a weird way, looking back at that thing when you're sort of like in your teenage years where it's like these things are the most important thing.

13:52 Chris Yeah.

13:53 Adam Like I've got to get in this club, I've got to lose my virginity or whatever like that.

13:57 Adam And

13:58 Chris Yeah, so it's so hard to think back.

14:01 Adam Really to what.

14:02 Adam It's hard to put back into that thing where it's like, I almost feel that in a way that sort of made it slightly less successful to begin with.

14:08 Adam Because watching a sort of youth-based film now, you do you are sort of like, yeah, I am detached from that.

14:13 Adam You know,

14:15 Adam Yeah.

14:16 Adam So I think that's the thing is it's just I mean there was a because that's the thing is I think it's a film that has some.

14:24 Adam Well, I mean, basically you're not given anyone in particular to like.

14:30 Chris No, yeah, Yeah.

14:32 Chris They all they all do seem somewhat flawed and again, I kind of thought to myself, that is probably me being older.

14:38 Chris And looking at youths and thinking, yeah, you you're lacking some amount of experience here.

14:43 Chris No matter who you are, it's all a bit chaotic and a bit like a little bit aggro with each other.

14:49 Chris They're all, you know,

14:50 Adam Yeah.

14:51 Adam And and that's not to say I mean, you you I mean, obviously, you you side with Mary.

14:54 Adam Because of Yeah.

14:56 Chris Absolutely, yeah.

14:58 Adam And and again, it's definitely not a, you know, there's there's no sort of there's no sort of there's no sort of victimhood in it.

15:05 Adam That should be, do you know what I mean?

15:08 Adam There's it's not you know, that no no one does anything.

15:12 Adam Apart from the guys there who are actively doing bad things, no one does anything to.

15:16 Adam It's not that sort of like you get with slasher films where it's like, oh, someone has sex and they're dead or whatever like that.

15:22 Adam You know,

15:23 Adam it's it's very much you'd, you know, no, Mary goes to a party, has a drink, has a good time.

15:29 Adam Why, you know, that doesn't necessarily mean that she's now a target for.

15:34 Chris Yeah.

15:35 Adam You know, what what happens.

15:37 Chris What happens.

15:37 Chris I suppose in that sense like it felt in that regard it felt realistic.

15:41 Chris And I thought the dialogue throughout and the acting also seemed like very plausible, you know.

15:47 Adam Yeah, I mean that's that that's the thing, is I think that and again, I don't know whether it's I don't know whether again it might be my age.

15:53 Adam But there was sort of lines of dialogue where I'm like, maybe this is how people talk.

15:59 Chris Yeah.

15:59 Adam I don't know, you know, if it was if it was sort of plausible or not, but it's sort of but basically, yes.

16:04 Adam I think that there was, you know, there were a lot of I mean, I found one thing I found really interesting.

16:11 Adam Is I found, I found the character of Trixie really interesting because she basically doesn't like Mary.

16:17 Adam Gives her a load of shit.

16:19 Chris Yeah.

16:19 Adam But is also on her side.

16:22 Chris I know.

16:23 Adam But almost almost like, I want to be on her side, but not to her face.

16:27 Adam I'm going to be a shit to her to her face.

16:29 Chris But to everyone else, I will clearly, yeah.

16:32 Adam Yeah.

16:33 Adam Which again felt very that felt very like sort of being young and being at you know.

16:39 Adam You know, it's that sort of natural level of like back biting and sort of people just sort of.

16:44 Adam Like having a pop at each other, but it's sort of.

16:48 Adam On a fundamental level, no, actually you you, you know, there's.

16:53 Adam I don't like her, but that's not that doesn't mean that this is open season for bad things to happen to her or whatever like that.

16:57 Adam You know.

16:58 Chris Yeah.

16:58 Adam Absolutely.

16:59 Adam So

17:01 Adam Yeah.

17:02 Adam And I mean, I think more more than anything.

17:03 Adam I mean, that was the thing is I don't know, I don't know if I would watch it again because I think that there is it's it's the horrible thing of spending time with some horrible people.

17:12 Chris Yeah.

17:13 Adam You know,

17:14 Adam And as, I mean, we won't go too deeply into it before we set off any spoiler alarms or anything else like that.

17:22 Adam But basically the tables do turn.

17:26 Chris

17:27 Adam But almost to my reckoning, it was like the tables haven't turned soon enough.

17:32 Chris No, you don't.

17:34 Adam You know,

17:35 Chris It's it's not entirely obvious.

17:37 Adam No.

17:38 Chris Exactly how it's going to unfold.

17:39 Adam Yeah.

17:40 Adam Which which I mean again, I think is probably more naturalistic for something that essentially you watch it play out.

17:49 Adam Almost in real time, it's basically the the length of the of the party.

17:53 Chris Yeah.

17:54 Chris No, it is.

17:54 Adam Yeah.

17:54 Adam It's not.

17:55 Adam Yeah, it is.

17:56 Adam Could be, yeah.

17:57 Adam It's not, you know, you, you know, there's a lot of for want of a better description.

18:03 Adam There's a lot of rape revenge movies, particularly from the seventies and stuff like that, but they're usually sort of like someone someone is assaulted.

18:12 Chris Yeah, so and then.

18:14 Adam And then it over a period of weeks they track down people and take their revenge or they.

18:18 Adam Whereas this is much more this occurs in an evening.

18:24 Chris Yeah.

18:25 Chris Yeah, it's interesting.

18:26 Chris I didn't thought of that.

18:27 Chris I mean, it's it's really clear, yeah, once you say it.

18:29 Chris It's yeah, it's kind of an interesting choice.

18:31 Adam Yeah.

18:32 Adam So.

18:33 Adam Yeah.

18:33 Adam And I think that's the.

18:35 Adam And there's yeah, it's it's sort of like.

18:41 Adam You know, there was there is an element of, oh, just hanging around with awful people, you know.

18:47 Chris Yeah.

18:47 Chris As as but and, you know, maybe a bit of a spoiler, the ending is satisfying.

18:54 Adam Oh, I think that's.

18:55 Adam Well, not only that, but also I think that's I mean, we like I say, we're we'll.

18:57 Adam I was just going to.

18:59 Chris I was I was just.

19:00 Adam I was just going to carry out aside from some of the innocent people.

19:02 Adam Throughout, who it's, you know, it's a bit upsetting that they don't make it.

19:08 Adam There is that there's the thing there's a lot of oddly, there's a lot of collateral damage that sort of is what makes it bigger.

19:14 Chris You do need that.

19:15 Chris Yeah, absolutely.

19:16 Adam Makes it sort of like it's it beyond the plausible, not not for it's implausible, but you know what I mean.

19:22 Adam It sort of it's at that point that things actually start getting.

19:24 Adam And the I mean, the one thing I have to say is it looks brilliant.

19:29 Chris Right, so yeah.

19:30 Chris Absolutely.

19:32 Chris Yeah.

19:32 Chris Yeah.

19:33 Adam And.

19:34 Adam I there's I there's bits where there's people under the influence of drugs, whether they wanted to be or not.

19:44 Chris Yes.

19:45 Adam Yeah.

19:46 Adam And those scenes are shot exceptionally well, I think they that really gives that sort of hallucinatory.

19:52 Chris Sort of surreal sort of.

19:56 Adam Sort of, you know, head buzzy.

19:57 Chris Lost.

19:58 Adam Confused head state and one bit I really liked is there's a bit where they have.

20:02 Adam Essentially, it's like someone having a flashback, but rather than having flashbacks, you see phone footage of things that have been mentioned in the film.

20:09 Chris Yeah.

20:10 Adam Or sort of people talking about, oh, well, that happened when you did that or whatever like that.

20:14 Chris That did work well because of the style difference it did make it even more kind of raw and like, yeah.

20:18 Adam And I think also, I think that that is something that is more that is so thoroughly modern.

20:22 Adam Because it's like, no, there's you nowadays, I presume people aren't relying on their memories.

20:29 Adam They are relying on.

20:30 Chris They actually have recorded, yeah.

20:31 Adam They have footage, you know, everyone's got essentially everyone's got.

20:33 Chris Yeah.

20:34 Adam Yeah, and I think that that was a really effective way of doing it.

20:40 Adam Because you had sort of like these mentions of it and those are and they are shot as.

20:45 Adam People shoot in real life on a video, they're not, they don't they're not sort of, you know, the rest of it is cinematic, it has, you know, it has a look and a style and everything.

20:54 Adam Whereas those were just literally handheld phone at a party or some an event or whatever like that.

21:00 Adam And I thought that was a real that really I just thought that was a really smart.

21:03 Chris I think it yeah, it worked so well.

21:04 Adam Way of doing it.

21:05 Adam Yeah.

21:06 Chris And and and highlighted just how great the cinematography was for the rest of the film.

21:10 Adam Yes, yes, yeah.

21:12 Adam It's sort of like yeah.

21:14 Adam Because because believe me, I have seen plenty of films literally filmed on an iPhone.

21:19 Adam And you know.

21:20 Adam And they do somewhat lack a certain level of a certain level of production.

21:25 Chris And polish, yeah.

21:27 Adam Should we say?

21:28 Adam So, I mean, certainly from that point of view, you know.

21:32 Adam As as a production, I think that, you know, this is sort of like completely.

21:37 Adam and part of that.

21:38 Chris The pacing, the pacing was very good.

21:42 Chris You know, the action scenes mixed with the dialogue, it seemed to work very well for me.

21:47 Chris It didn't it didn't feel too long either.

21:51 Chris Like it didn't feel like there was a lot of filler in there.

21:53 Chris It it flowed well, I thought.

21:55 Adam I think so well, I think there's also

22:00 Adam I think that it I think it has because the weird thing was.

22:04 Adam Is I think there were certain towards the end certain bits didn't seem to sort of.

22:12 Adam Well, they they were paid off, but they were paid off almost as an afterthought.

22:16 Chris

22:16 Adam And I kind of get it because you know what the main thrust of the story is and the main sort of where it's going.

22:22 Adam But there were a few sort of like characters who you had seen who had a certain level of importance within the story, who were then essentially on.

22:34 Adam What happened to them was like on CCTV in the background rather than, you know.

22:39 Chris Yeah.

22:40 Adam And yeah, I think it was so maybe that maybe that was.

22:45 Adam But again, probably like you say.

22:48 Adam It would have affected the pacing if you'd have gone back, especially at that point.

22:53 Chris There was quite a lot of characters to to cover.

22:55 Chris So yeah.

22:56 Chris It probably did make sense.

22:58 Adam But also like you say at that point you are the the thing is the thing is getting to the point that you really want to be at, you know.

23:06 Adam and certainly from an effects point of view.

23:12 Adam I believe it's

23:16 Adam I believe it was Daniel Adams like effects like doing the sort of makeup effects and everything else like that.

23:21 Adam The the sort of the gore and the you know, any any thing any sort of like injuries and so on and so forth were.

23:31 Adam I mean, really good, but also to to the point of you know, where you're like.

23:36 Adam You know.

23:36 Adam It genuinely will make you wince.

23:40 Chris Which I mean, it doesn't look.

23:41 Chris I mean, I don't know what the budget is.

23:42 Chris But it didn't look budget, it did look, you know, yeah, very good.

23:48 Adam Oh, no, absolutely, I think this is sort of, you know, it's not it's again, I think, you know, I think that they're working on what is a relatively small budget.

23:55 Chris Yeah.

23:56 Adam But it's all on the screen.

23:58 Adam You know, it looks.

24:00 Adam It looks and.

24:01 Adam I mean, the the music as well.

24:03 Adam I really enjoyed.

24:04 Adam I thought that that there was some

24:09 Adam Like great actually like atmospheric stuff as well as stuff at the party, you know.

24:13 Chris It did look yeah, it really worked.

24:15 Adam Yeah.

24:15 Chris It did really fit.

24:17 Chris Yeah, absolutely, you know, it looks like thought has gone into this to make it.

24:21 Chris It like what it's meant to be, it seems to do excellently.

24:26 Chris I could see, you know.

24:27 Chris I'd be tempted to watch it again, I could almost see it as a decent film to show my kids when they're older as a a different take on some of this stuff.

24:36 Chris Once they start to need to learn about this.

24:38 Chris It's not a bad sort of additional viewpoint on, you know.

24:44 Chris Certainly, it's like it's dark enough, but it is also somewhat entertaining enough.

24:52 Adam Well, I think I think it's that thing.

24:54 Chris Even if I'm not that keen on the actual.

24:55 Adam You know, the people.

24:56 Adam Themselves.

24:57 Adam Well, I think it's that thing where it's.

25:00 Adam You kind of, it's a bit like they used to say, it's like they said about with, train spotting.

25:09 Chris yeah.

25:10 Adam Where it's like, you know, you can't you had to kind of show there's an up element to the lifestyle.

25:15 Adam Because if it was just the grimness of being a heroin addict.

25:18 Chris Yeah.

25:19 Adam And similarly, you know, there's got to be something other to this, but I do think it's not just a documentary, it's got to be like, yeah, there's got to be sort of bits and pieces that sort of work in that sense.

25:28 Adam Now,

25:29 Adam so as I say, this was very kindly AJ AJ Mattioli sent us the link to watch this.

25:37 Chris Yeah.

25:38 Chris Thanks, AJ.

25:38 Adam Yeah.

25:38 Adam Really appreciate that.

25:40 Adam AJ.

25:41 Adam Now, AJ actually worked on Blood Knight.

25:43 Adam The legend of Mary Hatchet.

25:44 Adam Which we did.

25:46 Chris yes.

25:46 Adam

25:47 Adam back in 20.

25:48 Adam 22.

25:50 Adam And so that's when AJ originally reached out to us and said, oh, I I worked on that as like, I I think it's like part of the production, like production designer.

25:56 Chris Yeah.

25:57 Adam Yeah.

25:58 Adam And,

26:00 Adam yeah, and has gone on to now form,

26:05 Adam Mattioli Productions, which is what this is this is from.

26:08 Adam And, just from from AJ's website, so we are a transowned and queer operated film production distribution company. We serve the LGBTQIA plus community by sharing our stories through groundbreaking globally distributed content, representation matters.

26:22 Adam And also queer liberation, not rainbow capitalism, so yeah.

26:26 Adam It's just.

26:27 Adam Fucking fantastic.

26:27 Adam But,

26:29 Adam But yeah, so AJ has.

26:32 Adam AJ's also directed, and I would be interested to see because,

26:41 Adam I believe AJ's done a film called,

26:44 Adam Killer Unicorn.

26:45 Chris

26:46 Adam And, it's basically,

26:51 Adam It's a slasher movie, but it's someone in a unicorn mask who's bumping off drag queens.

26:55 Adam Okay, which is definitely.

26:56 Adam Which I think is definitely much more on the comedic level than say this is.

27:02 Adam Because.

27:03 Adam This has a level of extremity, you know.

27:08 Adam And I I think that's the thing is.

27:10 Adam Is at the end of the day, it's not subject matter that I'm as entertainment.

27:16 Adam I don't know that I would go back and.

27:19 Chris

27:19 Adam Watch it from that point of view.

27:22 Chris Yeah.

27:23 Adam But like you say, if you were going to use it, certainly if you're going to use it as a warning.

27:27 Chris Yeah, so I I see it's a very valuable.

27:29 Chris I I do like, you know, I I know not everyone is, but I'm quite a fan of using horror with social commentary for me.

27:35 Chris It does really work well.

27:36 Chris yeah, especially when it's done.

27:39 Chris You know, there's different ways of doing it, but yeah, for me, I do like that payoff.

27:45 Chris And it does seem to work.

27:47 Adam Well, I think that, I mean, I think we've managed to skirt around without spoiler it.

27:52 Adam Spoiler anything.

27:53 Adam So.

27:54 Chris Too much.

27:55 Adam So it's available on to be.

27:57 Adam Is it tubi or tubi?

27:59 Adam I don't know.

28:00 Chris

28:01 Adam I'm I've only ever seen it written down.

28:03 Adam So I'm going to say tubi.

28:04 Chris Tubi.

28:04 Chris Yeah, yeah, it's funny saying tubi sounds a bit funny, but

28:08 Adam Yeah.

28:08 Chris I don't know that is that that is how I think of it.

28:09 Chris In my head when I see it, so.

28:10 Chris Yeah.

28:11 Adam Yeah.

28:11 Adam So it's available there I believe it's also streaming in certain other places as well.

28:16 Adam But it is free to see on Tubi, so, you know, that's that's where you can check it out.

28:21 Adam

28:22 Adam but I I mean, I think that as I say, I mean, I think that there is I mean, hopefully by the time if you were to be showing this to the kids.

28:29 Adam Hopefully it'll be as a historical document of this is what this is what.

28:33 Adam This is how.

28:35 Adam We had this is what we had to get rid of.

28:39 Chris Yeah.

28:40 Adam This is these are attitudes and frankly people and mood and sort of, you know.

28:46 Chris And thanks to films like this.

28:48 Adam You know.

28:49 Adam Yeah, this had to be.

28:50 Adam This had to say, you know, this had to be part of no, we're stopping this is stopping.

28:56 Adam And, you know, everyone has their part to play in that.

29:00 Chris Yeah.

29:01 Chris And yeah, like I mean, certainly this this has made me.

29:05 Adam I think you're going to test you're going to test every time and I'm going to get it wrong every time.

29:07 Adam And that's.

29:08 Adam how it's going to be.

29:09 Chris I know.

29:09 Adam I'm just.

29:10 Adam To be honest, I was just.

29:11 Adam I was just to be honest, I was just working up to you just saying goodbye and then I was like, I've just bottled him in a weird corner here of like introducing him saying goodbye, which is just mental.

29:17 Adam So,

29:19 Adam more professional.

29:19 Adam He knows that.

29:19 Chris Yeah, he he's good at that sort of stuff.

29:21 Adam Yeah.

29:22 Chris Right.

29:23 Adam Thanks, everyone.

29:23 Chris Take care.

29:24 Adam All right.