Jason X

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror, I'm Lee.

0:25 Chris I'm Chris.

0:26 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee And we are here this evening to talk about the disputable masterpiece.

0:33 Adam Yeah.

0:35 Lee I love this film, so we'll see where this goes.

0:39 Lee 2001's Jason X, the tenth of the Friday the 13th movies.

0:45 Chris And is it the it's the second we've seen?

0:48 Chris No, or did we see two?

0:50 Lee Did we do Freddy versus?

0:51 Adam We saw the original. No, we didn't.

0:53 Lee No.

0:54 Chris But I thought we saw the remake.

0:56 Adam You saw the remake, but I wasn't on that episode.

0:59 Chris that was. No.

1:40 Adam Drew was on that episode, but I could I can't remember why I couldn't make it so you guys and Drew who did that one.

1:47 Adam So this is the first like this is certainly the first time with me that we've done a Friday the 13th movie on on here, yeah.

1:55 Lee Woo!

1:56 Lee And what classic episode to start with.

1:59 Lee There will be spoilers, but I don't know how much you can spoil of this.

2:04 Lee And there will be swearing, I believe.

2:08 Lee Yes, so without further ado.

2:12 Lee Chris, you made some noises before we started recording that you were you think this is not the smartest of movies, is that correct?

2:22 Chris All I'm going to say is Jason X in space, no one can hear you scream because they're too busy laughing.

2:27 Adam Yeah.

2:28 Lee See, this is what made me like, I think of this as a horror comedy.

2:32 Lee But on IMDb, it says it's an action, horror, sci-fi.

2:37 Lee And I'm like, it's definitely a comedy.

2:39 Chris Yeah.

2:40 Chris It has it has those in a in a arguably very superficial way.

2:46 Adam It it aspires It looks like sci-fi.

2:50 Lee It does have nanobots though, actually.

2:52 Adam Well, that's one that's one thing I was going to have to ask you to but yeah, before before getting too sidetracked with.

3:00 Chris Just too, yeah.

3:01 Adam Yeah.

3:01 Adam nanobots, Chris.

3:05 Adam Where are we, because it seems to be AI is all the rage these days, I haven't been threatened by nanobots.

3:10 Chris Yeah.

3:10 Chris I'll tell you what, right, the thing that has shown us that.

3:15 Adam Have they just given up on them?

3:16 Chris Well, no, but no, right, but it's one of those, how long it seems like things are away, they get talked about, probably they always get talked about like 20, maybe 30 years too early and people like it's coming around the corner, right?

3:25 Chris But we've had that with AI for ages, but then all of a sudden, it took almost every expert by surprise this year, the fact that we went from being.

3:33 Lee Yeah.

3:33 Chris The some AI systems that were amazing, like deep blue, deep mind, Alpha Go, Alpha Zero, all of those were like, wow, that's amazing.

3:42 Chris But that's in the hands of professionals, all of a sudden, we've got unbelievable AI in the hands of complete morons like us, you know.

3:45 Chris So like who knows where it's going to go.

3:49 Chris So nanobots could happen tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.

3:51 Adam Fair enough.

3:52 Lee Deep Blue and it speaks to you, they should have called it Deep Throat, they were definitely missing the trick there.

3:56 Adam

3:58 Adam I think they would have.

4:01 Adam I think they might have highlighted a certain element that would have.

4:08 Lee Less people would be Googling it, well they wouldn't be finding what they're looking for anyway.

4:12 Adam

4:12 Chris Yeah.

4:13 Chris I'm getting to the point where ChatGPT is replacing almost all other tools that I use for different various jobs and it does them all.

4:18 Chris And it does it in such a friendly way.

4:21 Chris It's like, oh, if everybody spoke to me like that, I'd come away smiling at the end of every day.

4:26 Adam Yeah.

4:27 Adam But the other thing where I think that we got to qualify, it reminds you of sci-fi.

4:32 Chris

4:33 Adam What this reminds me of is the Sci-Fi Channel about the sort of around about the 2000 sort of time, late nineties, 2000.

4:41 Lee Yeah.

4:41 Adam And watching maybe 15 to 20 minutes of something that looks like Jason X.

4:47 Chris Yeah.

4:48 Adam Waiting for another program to come on on a different channel.

4:52 Lee Yeah.

4:52 Lee Always.

4:54 Adam It definitely feels in that sort of trail of the various 90s Star Treks and sort of Babylon Fives and stuff like that.

5:02 Lee There was a show called something scape that was just a a dreadful show.

5:07 Adam Farscape.

5:08 Lee Farscape, yeah.

5:09 Chris But actually watched it.

5:10 Lee Exactly.

5:10 Lee I I but no, but like Adam said.

5:12 Adam Farscape was genuinely good.

5:13 Chris Was it, okay.

5:14 Lee I saw it good.

5:15 Lee Yeah.

5:16 Chris I actually did miss several of those, really.

5:20 Adam Farscape from what I is pretty much how people sort of thought of as Firefly.

5:27 Chris

5:27 Chris Okay. Yeah, well Firefly was great.

5:29 Lee Love Firefly.

5:31 Adam Yeah, and I think Farscape was that only with added Muppets.

5:34 Adam So it's sort of.

5:36 Adam But

5:37 Adam But yeah, this weirdly enough, a big first thing that I hadn't even realized, obviously, this is called Jason X, it's the 10th Friday the 13th movie.

5:48 Adam Apparently, at the time they made it, they didn't have the rights to use the name Friday the 13th.

5:54 Adam Because this was made by New Line Cinema who were doing all the Friday the 13th.

5:58 Adam But Paramount realized they owned the name.

6:01 Chris

6:02 Adam So that's why.

6:03 Adam That's why this is Jason X and not Friday the 13th 10, Jason X, or something like that.

6:08 Chris It seems kind of strange they can own a name, but not the entire franchise.

6:15 Lee Yeah, not the whole.

6:16 Lee Yeah.

6:17 Adam Yeah, but it's like with Evil Dead 2, the reason they do a they refilm a recap of Evil Dead at the start of Evil Dead 2, rather than use clips, because they couldn't afford to get the clips from the first movie.

6:29 Adam It's a fucking weird rights nightmare sort of thing.

6:35 Adam But also that's why the the ninth film is Jason goes to hell the final Friday, so they'd actually lost the rights to use Friday the 13th at that point.

6:45 Adam So the ninth and tenth movie aren't called Friday the 13th.

6:49 Adam So.

6:50 Adam Yeah, that was just a fascinating factoid.

6:53 Lee I was devastated at the fact this has only got a 4.4 on IMDb because I genuinely enjoyed it.

6:59 Lee I know.

6:59 Chris Is it is it wait wait wait, so here here that's brought me onto my, this could be controversial because.

7:05 Lee Oh.

7:06 Chris You'll find out, right.

7:08 Chris I'm going to say this is the Alien Resurrection of Friday the 13th.

7:13 Chris Right.

7:14 Chris Now, knowing both of you hate Alien Resurrection, and I love it.

7:17 Adam I don't hate Alien Resurrection, I just can't be asked.

7:20 Chris But but it's got every like this this is Alien Resurrection is like the thinking man's version of this.

7:25 Chris And.

7:27 Chris Oh, not not not a very big thinking man.

7:31 Chris But.

7:32 Chris It's it's when, you know, you want to have some philosophy, some actual sci-fi.

7:37 Chris But it like they've even got the the Android head in this.

7:43 Chris They've got they're getting sucked out of a little hole in the spaceship.

7:47 Adam They do everything, they've got space Marines, yeah, you know, it's aliens.

7:52 Chris But with machetes.

7:53 Adam Yeah.

7:54 Adam There's a character called Dallas.

7:57 Adam And yeah, it's.

8:00 Lee Speaking of machetes, that still makes me laugh every time I watch this.

8:03 Lee Is how in that very opening scene, he's hanging in a room, a completely empty warehouse with nothing in it.

8:09 Lee He somehow manages to kill the guard and walk out with a big rusty machete, like he'd somehow just found it in that room.

8:14 Lee It was like, what the fucking hell did you get hold of that from?

8:17 Lee I mean, you can't be Jason without it, but.

8:19 Chris But so is it is it that the reason it's got 4.4?

8:24 Chris Is it that people didn't like the the change from what is more serious generally as far as I know all Friday 13th?

8:35 Chris But but they're also you're not too worried about the plot making perfect sense in Friday 13th, are you, generally?

8:42 Adam I I I think it's.

8:44 Adam Probably I think it is one of those films that probably doesn't have I don't know, but I feel it probably has a bad rap amongst fans.

8:51 Chris Yeah, well that's yeah.

8:52 Adam Do you know what I mean?

8:53 Adam I'm sure there's people out there who are like, you know this like hulking undead hockey mask wearing serial murderer with mother issues.

9:06 Chris I mean, that does seem to let it.

9:07 Adam It's very unrealistic now we've put him in space.

9:10 Lee Yeah.

9:11 Adam And it's.

9:11 Chris Exactly.

9:12 Adam Seriously, it's the fucking Doctor Who argument a lot of the time.

9:16 Adam When people give you the Doctor Who.

9:18 Chris Wait, don't forget always mix up Sherlock.

9:19 Adam Well that's just a he's a fucking practically immortal person who can change their entire appearance and a fucking phone booth bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

9:29 Chris Yeah, how much does it need to.

9:30 Adam If that fundamental premise doesn't give you the can't be fucked to mess around.

9:34 Chris Yeah.

9:36 Adam And I but I do think I wonder if it's one of those ones where it's the real hardcore fans were just like, oh, this is stupid, gone too far.

9:44 Chris Yeah.

9:45 Adam Yeah, you you see it in any fan base, you see it, you know what I mean, you see it with Star Wars, you see it with anything.

9:53 Adam There are particularly the real hardcore fans, when there's like a big change or something that could, I think there's also an embarrassment factor sometimes with fans.

10:02 Adam Where it's almost like, oh, don't show people this, because I've been saying fucking Jason's the best fucking thing since sliced teenagers.

10:17 Chris It's actually.

10:18 Lee Machete sliced rolls, yeah.

10:22 Adam Yeah.

10:23 Adam And now you've seen him in the space, I'm going to be a laughing stock at the next like meeting of people who watch horror.

10:29 Chris Did did right, but did they get through.

10:33 Chris To the sleeping bag scene?

10:36 Lee Yes.

10:37 Lee I'm so glad.

10:38 Chris Yeah.

10:39 Chris Because.

10:40 Chris If if right, it was at that point I was like, no, right, I'm I'm happy with this.

10:43 Chris This is this is fine.

10:44 Chris I wasn't I may not have been 100% sure before, you've got me now.

10:48 Adam It it distinctly knows.

10:50 Chris Yeah, it's self-aware.

10:53 Adam I think there's a few people involved who were doing their best to make the best they could.

10:58 Adam Because like I say, this would look like a competent sci-fi on the Sci-Fi channel from the 90s.

11:02 Lee Yeah.

11:03 Adam Do you know what I mean?

11:04 Adam It's not great.

11:06 Chris Yeah.

11:07 Adam But it's up to the standards of say, I don't know, Babylon 5 or one of the Star Treks or something like that just to a greater or lesser extent.

11:17 Adam But.

11:18 Adam Yeah, I think there are also they were kind of like, this come on, this is fucking daft, we know we've got to put the jokes in.

11:25 Lee That comedy timing though of the, you know, he's on the holo deck and it's like, hey, do you want a beer, would you like to smoke some pot, how about premarital sex, we love premarital sex.

11:34 Lee And he literally looks straight down the camera, it cuts away and then cuts back to him beating one of them to death with the other one inside a sleeping.

11:41 Lee Like.

11:42 Adam Yeah.

11:42 Lee It's just genius, it makes me laugh out loud.

11:44 Lee Every time and I I love it.

11:47 Lee It is a it is a big step from the original, so as you say Adam, I can see why the.

11:51 Lee The hardcore.

11:52 Chris It's not like it had been going in that direction.

11:55 Chris So.

11:56 Lee No, it wasn't.

11:57 Adam No, it wasn't.

11:58 Chris Yeah.

11:59 Chris Okay.

11:59 Chris So we'd had nine of roughly the same you expect this every time and then all of a sudden it was this.

12:05 Adam Yeah.

12:06 Adam Well, because also basically they brought this out.

12:12 Adam Because Freddy versus Jason sort of got stuck in development.

12:16 Chris Oh, okay.

12:17 Adam And so they'd done the last Friday the 13th before this.

12:21 Adam It was it was Jason goes to hell and it ends with him in hell and Freddy's glove comes out and grabs the mask.

12:25 Chris Oh, right.

12:26 Adam Like the hockey mask or whatever.

12:28 Adam Is that right?

12:29 Lee I've got to admit, I've still never seen nine.

12:31 Chris right.

12:32 Lee I don't know how I've seen all of the others at least half a dozen times each, I've somehow never seen nine.

12:38 Chris Is it like you go, I'm going to watch nine, but I'm so close to 10, I'm just going to watch 10?

12:43 Lee I'm just going to.

12:44 Lee Yeah.

12:45 Lee Again.

12:45 Adam Yeah.

12:46 Adam But yeah, so it's kind of set up to be Freddy versus Jason is the next film in the because that's the thing.

12:54 Adam This continuity, this is still when it's this comes from a time as well when no one was doing.

13:02 Adam Like the Halloween reboot sort of thing.

13:06 Adam Where it's like, we've not rebooted it, but we're now saying that all the sequels are invalid, we're doing what is supposedly the first sequel to the original.

13:14 Adam Rather than and missing out all the gaps.

13:17 Adam So this was distinctly this is still the same Jason from the very end of the very first Friday the 13th movie.

13:25 Chris

13:25 Adam And continuing on.

13:27 Adam To his adventures in space.

13:33 Adam And yeah, I'd imagine there probably wasn't a problem with that.

13:36 Adam But so they wanted to put this out because they just wanted to keep the character, you know, in the public domain, so people wouldn't so Freddy versus Jason would still be like a big deal when it came out.

13:49 Chris

13:50 Adam And they ended up doing it they ended up coming up with if we do it in the future, it doesn't fuck up any continuity.

13:56 Chris There is that.

13:57 Chris I suppose.

13:57 Adam And technically, and this is not hopefully not a spoiler for people, but without too much of a giveaway.

14:03 Adam At the end of Freddy versus Jason, Jason is back on Earth, he's not in hell, which is where nine ends.

14:10 Adam So technically, it still fits that timeline and everything.

14:16 Adam

14:17 Chris So some thought was put to it.

14:19 Adam Yeah, to oh no, I think that was entirely accidental.

14:23 Adam But it was but the best bit was, I was reading where is it, they said, these are these are the ideas, basically they were like, right, what are we going to do for the next film?

14:32 Adam And they would just do like a checklist of like, and stuff like.

14:36 Adam Jason in the hood, Jason in the snow.

14:39 Adam Jason on Safari, and my particular favorite, Jason at NASCAR.

14:44 Lee He knows the audience.

14:47 Adam So, you know, Jason.

14:49 Lee They knew the audience.

14:50 Adam Jason in space, I suppose is no more on that list, you know.

14:55 Adam I think that would be yeah, and obviously it.

15:00 Adam Fucking died at the box office and then apparently made three times its money back on DVD.

15:06 Lee Yeah, I'm not surprised.

15:08 Adam Because you've got this isn't something that's going to be a big theatrical release, but fuck me is it going to be watched on video and DVD.

15:15 Chris And at many parties you could see yeah, what we're going to put on, yeah, perfect.

15:19 Lee I mean it still I'm keen to know Chris what you thought of what I still say I think is the best kill in a movie ever, my favorite, which is when he gets off the table and pushes that woman's head into the into the liquid nitrogen.

15:37 Chris Like yeah, yeah.

15:39 Chris No, yeah.

15:40 Lee Yeah, so it freezes solid and then just smashes it off the counter like a watermelon.

15:45 Lee It's just beautiful, I love it.

15:48 Chris There is that.

15:49 Adam That's the thing.

15:51 Adam That's the thing is that it's heart, it still has the thing of it's just what variety of interesting ways does Jason killer batch of annoying.

15:56 Chris It's absolutely got some stand out scenes.

16:02 Lee Yeah.

16:03 Chris Yeah.

16:04 Adam And that

16:05 Lee And also.

16:08 Adam I must confess, the only trouble I have with this film is I do lose interest a bit after David Cronenberg dies.

16:13 Lee Yeah.

16:13 Adam And admittedly, that's very early in the film, but I cannot I cannot stress enough.

16:20 Adam It's got fucking David Cronenberg in it, which immediately just elevates.

16:24 Adam Just, you know, from the man who really is the best thing about Night Breed.

16:29 Lee Yeah, yeah.

16:30 Adam Like in terms of characters, you know, and he's just so good and it's just and the director of this film was a special effects guy.

16:36 Adam Who worked on loads of Cronenberg films, James Isaac.

16:40 Adam And so David Cronenberg did it as a favor, but on the proviso that he would be killed on screen, apparently, he just that's what he wanted.

16:48 Lee Who wouldn't want to be killed by Jason, especially when it's played by Kane Hodder, like the real Jason, that's the way you want to go, isn't it?

16:57 Lee Yeah, the score for this as well really stuck out for me watching it back this time, it sounds like Hellraiser.

17:04 Adam It does sound like Hellraiser.

17:05 Adam There's definitely they've ripped off the like the resurrection the theme when he when Frank comes out of the floorboards.

17:13 Lee Yeah.

17:14 Adam That is utterly ripped off on any of the Jason coming back from the dead sort of bits, whether it's with the with the nanotech technology or when he gets off the table initially and stuff.

17:26 Adam

17:26 Adam But also, it has to be said, the end the music right, not not the very end, like the end titles.

17:32 Adam But the music at the end was just like, and this is the music that I hate in so many sci-fi things.

17:39 Adam Like.

17:41 Adam Because it's just that big orchestral sound.

17:44 Adam I'm just like, oh, piss off.

17:45 Adam So like, you know, it's in space, do something do something weird, come on.

17:48 Lee It was 2001, I'm just surprised they didn't put Rob Zombie all over it if I'm honest.

17:52 Lee I mean, it's got that feel.

17:54 Adam Yeah, but was what was was Robert Zombie doing was he doing his Halloweens at that point, I must have been later than that.

18:02 Lee oh, yeah, no, I no, I don't think he was.

18:05 Lee I think this is pre-Halloween, but definitely obviously post House of 1000 Corpses.

18:09 Adam Yeah.

18:10 Adam Yeah.

18:11 Adam But then weirdly enough, the the Friday the 13th films never had that sort of thing.

18:16 Adam Of a.

18:17 Adam I don't recall them having like none of those films ever were in the, that was much more of a 90s thing where you'd have like, and here's hundreds of fashionable bands on this one soundtrack.

18:27 Lee Yeah.

18:28 Lee I should fact check that House of 1000 Corpses, I could be wrong, but yeah.

18:36 Adam I think they did.

18:38 Lee But yeah, I just and it is you're quite right, Chris, it is a very big jump from what we used to for nine movies to suddenly drop into this.

18:48 Lee But I think it's I think it needed reinventing because it was getting old.

18:52 Lee And it has it did keep for me, as you said Adam, that like, it's just interesting ways to kill a group of idiots.

18:59 Lee And and that's what these films have always been.

19:01 Chris Really is, yeah.

19:02 Lee It maintains that, but it injects a load of comedy into it.

19:06 Lee Because that's that's the thing, although the hardcore fans will take these seriously.

19:13 Lee They are films to have on in the background when you're drinking with your mates.

19:17 Lee So like they're not.

19:19 Adam They are a communal they're a communal sort of horror film, definitely.

19:23 Lee Yeah, and I don't class them as particularly high, but I and I do laugh when I watch the originals because of the the excite, you know, the the interesting ways they do the kills and stuff.

19:32 Lee I do find myself laughing at that.

19:33 Lee So to make a jump to making it more of a horror comedy doesn't seem a million miles away to me.

19:40 Lee Yeah, and they just handled it really well, I say, I genuinely find myself laughing out there, it's not a groanfest all the way, there are some bits that are pretty much like that, but but it's got enough genuine comedy in it that I can enjoy it as a comedy film, really.

19:57 Adam I think yeah, because I I I there's no way you could take this seriously and and fortunately, I think the film is aware of that, so it's added in the lines and stuff like that.

20:07 Adam Although the line that gets me the most is just her, are you stoned?

20:11 Lee Yeah.

20:12 Adam Yeah.

20:13 Adam When when he's like, oh, you know, when he's going to do the noble, no sacrifice, no, we're not sacrificing you guys as well.

20:19 Adam And it's like, fuck that, I'm going to take.

20:20 Lee Yeah.

20:21 Lee Oh.

20:22 Adam It was it was actually it was interesting watching watching it with Claire, because she's not seen any other Friday the 13th stuff.

20:30 Adam And.

20:31 Chris Has she seen has she seen many slashers?

20:36 Adam only what we've done on here, so Halloween.

20:40 Adam

20:41 Chris Okay, I wasn't sure how many years she's followed.

20:44 Adam Scream, you know, it's not really, because I don't really watch a lot of slasher film.

20:51 Chris No, yeah.

20:51 Adam

20:52 Adam But yeah, so this was kind of her first Jason Voorhees you know, Friday the 13th.

21:00 Adam And.

21:01 Adam It was interesting to watch someone be like, oh, fucking hell, these characters are fucking idiots.

21:06 Chris Yeah.

21:07 Adam Everyone's fucking annoying.

21:08 Adam And it's like.

21:09 Adam And then, well, I'm on Jason's side.

21:11 Adam And it's like, that's the point.

21:13 Lee Yes, that's that's always the case.

21:15 Adam It's always the case.

21:17 Adam You just like that person is so fucking annoying when he's Jason going to kill them.

21:21 Lee Yeah.

21:22 Adam And you know, and and how inventively or how cruelly will he do that?

21:29 Adam And that's, you know, I think it delivers in that sense.

21:32 Lee And it does, I do think it's a good although obviously it's a strange place to start with the character, I do think it's a good introduction to him.

21:42 Lee And and it does always make me want to go back and watch my favorite Friday movies again.

21:46 Chris So that's interesting.

21:47 Chris Right.

21:47 Chris Yeah, it.

21:49 Chris I would I would happily watch another one now.

21:53 Chris It's sort of funny, it must be the comedy aspect, it's like it didn't feel like it was too much, whereas I kind of think if I watch a straightforward slasher, I'm like, yeah, I'm done, I don't need to watch another slasher for a little while.

22:03 Adam See again, it starts at the series starts off very much in that serious vibe.

22:10 Adam And it's like all of those great 80s franchises, Hellraiser is probably the only one that remained either serious or po-faced depending on the quality of the film.

22:22 Adam But the rest of them all sort of like Nightmare Elm Street clearly.

22:27 Adam You you already had Freddy as a sort of charismatic figure, but it then becomes his one liners, his sort of playing up as the sort of big figure of the films and stuff like that.

22:38 Adam Like that.

22:39 Adam Yeah.

22:42 Adam And similarly with I mean, it's like I mean, by the time you get to like Jason takes Manhattan, which is fucking great.

22:53 Adam And I know I know that Bobby of not for everyone is a massive fan of that one.

22:57 Adam But you know, it's just the joy of like seeing him kick over a fucking stereo of an annoying bunch of street punks.

23:07 Chris Yeah.

23:07 Lee Hunter killer is off in a single room.

23:12 Adam Yeah.

23:14 Lee Oh, God, now I want to go and watch that when we finish.

23:16 Lee Fed, but I've got a feeling that's coming out tonight.

23:20 Adam Yeah.

23:22 Lee yeah, it it is it's a good fun movie.

23:27 Lee And that's why when Adam said, oh, should we cover it, I was like, that is perfect.

23:32 Lee Because it's.

23:33 Lee As you say, we haven't done a lot of slashers because Adam and myself, although we quite enjoy them and don't dislike them as a sub genre.

23:42 Lee Yeah, it's not generally.

23:44 Chris There's often still something else that would go above.

23:46 Lee Yeah.

23:47 Adam Yeah.

23:47 Adam Or or or like in this case, we tend to prefer where it's gone into different areas or something like that.

23:55 Adam Where it sort of like like this circumstance where it is literally sort of.

24:00 Adam You know, from my point of view, it was like, oh, at least you're doing something, you know, you're trying something new.

24:07 Adam With it.

24:08 Adam You know, because it does it does come to a point where especially when it's.

24:11 Adam You know, a haunted area as in Crystal Lake, just don't go here.

24:19 Adam You know, it becomes really obvious what's happening, because there's a fucking trail of bodies.

24:24 Adam You know, so at that point, just don't bother.

24:25 Adam Because actually I think that's actually, there's it weirdly enough, the one thing I think is missing is that I think there's a fascinating film.

24:32 Adam With Dr. Rowan and David Cronenberg of the idea that the military want to capture Jason because, well, he's a fucking undead murder machine that permanently comes back from the dead.

24:42 Adam Yeah, the military are oddly interested, you know.

24:47 Chris Yeah.

24:48 Lee Oh.

24:48 Adam You know, that really ticks a lot of R&D boxes for them.

24:53 Adam And I think that that's quite a good concept to start with.

24:57 Adam That, you know, that they've turned it into a research like Crystal Lake research facility because it's like, no, something's going on here.

25:06 Adam And really, I think we should step in at this point, but also see how much money or murder we can make out of it.

25:12 Chris

25:13 Adam You know.

25:14 Adam In that sense, again, it's got the Aliens thing.

25:18 Chris Well, yeah, yeah.

25:19 Adam You know, because there is like the professor Professor Lowe in this is basically Burke.

25:24 Chris

25:25 Adam And you know, and the Sarge is basically Apone from Aliens and it's just yeah, there's a lot of similarities and crossover.

25:34 Chris Yeah.

25:35 Adam

25:36 Adam But again, in a weird way, Aliens is playing it straight and this isn't, and it probably benefits for that.

25:44 Chris

25:47 Lee Yeah, it's funny, I'd forgotten just how sort of chunky the CGI and stuff in this.

25:52 Lee It like the the ships and stuff and that big space station explosion just looks.

25:57 Adam Yeah, they're not great.

25:59 Lee Off a sci-fi channel.

26:01 Adam But that's the thing is it's it's comparable to a lot of stuff that was out at the time because this was all this was all done in Canada.

26:08 Adam And all pretty much all sci-fi was filmed in Vancouver at that point anyway, like the X-Files was.

26:13 Adam Because it was just cheaper to film.

26:18 Adam So you had an effects budget essentially because you weren't, you know, you weren't paying as much in in other ways.

26:25 Chris I mean I suppose that it doesn't take away from it because of the style of film it is.

26:30 Adam No, no.

26:31 Adam Not at all.

26:31 Adam I would I would argue when this came out, this looked as comparable to stuff that people were putting out there as you know, as more not not more more serious fair.

26:44 Adam Do you know what I mean?

26:45 Adam As you.

26:45 Adam It wasn't.

26:47 Adam Hey, look, because I mean, let's face it, if your concept is Jason in space.

26:52 Adam You're probably already, you know, in in a certain sense of humor.

26:59 Chris Mindset.

27:00 Adam Yeah.

27:00 Adam You know.

27:01 Adam You're already but you know, I don't think this looks like a lot of this doesn't look different to a lot of far more sort of.

27:08 Adam Well, actually, we're going to look at the nature of humanity through sci-fi.

27:14 Adam Even though everyone's come for the aliens, don't say that we've come for, honestly, they've come for the talking in rooms.

27:19 Adam No.

27:20 Adam No, they haven't, they've come for aliens.

27:22 Lee I think you're right, I think it's I think what it is, is this film still feels but I mean it's 22 years old at this point.

27:30 Lee But it doesn't feel it with the.

27:32 Lee So I think that's why the effects look so ropy.

27:34 Lee As you say, like it's probably no better than Event Horizon or whatever to some degree.

27:38 Lee But because that feels like an oldish film and this to me still feels fairly recent.

27:44 Chris Yeah, that's interesting.

27:44 Lee It feels like it should be.

27:46 Lee But again, I think it's just because it was like all the films do it now, it's like, oh yeah, we do two or three and then we'll do something completely mental and batshit with it.

27:56 Lee Whereas this did it so much longer ago, but it still seems like a fairly new concept to take a massive franchise and totally lose the plot with it, really.

28:02 Adam Because what I mean, basically is the end of the franchise.

28:08 Adam Because you only had like Freddy versus Jason and the remake or reboot, whichever it is, I'm not sure.

28:15 Adam I think I think it's a it's a reboot, isn't it?

28:16 Adam The.

28:17 Lee Yeah, yeah, 2013 one, yeah.

28:18 Adam Yeah.

28:19 Adam And

28:20 Adam But yeah, it sort of.

28:27 Adam I I yeah, I think it's just it it feels.

28:31 Adam It feels weird in that sense, but there's not been much since, so it still remains the latest Friday the 13th movie, technically.

28:40 Adam Even though it is over 20 years old now.

28:43 Adam And

28:46 Lee I mean.

28:47 Adam But also when when I was looking it up, most of the cast are pretty much all their stuff is.

28:53 Adam Sci-Fi Channel stuff.

28:57 Adam Like like Rowan and the woman who plays the KN, the Android.

29:05 Adam They were both in Andromeda straight after this, which was like, which ran for like 300 odd episodes on Sci-Fi channel.

29:10 Lee Wow.

29:10 Adam And you and and oddly enough, Alexa Doig, who played Rowan, was actually an Android in Andromeda.

29:18 Adam So they sort of swapped roles.

29:20 Lee

29:21 Adam Pretty much.

29:22 Adam But

29:24 Adam But yeah, there's

29:25 Adam Also, apparently at one point they they were going to have Jason's mum turn up in the the VR bit.

29:35 Adam but the actress who play plays it didn't just turned it down, I think she probably just like, Jason in space, Christ.

29:42 Lee Yeah.

29:43 Adam You know.

29:43 Adam So she so she bowed out.

29:45 Adam One thing I got watching this though, because obviously there's a very filthy rich and cat flap.

29:49 Adam Element in that Jason is an enormous Derek.

29:53 Lee Yes.

29:54 Adam Because it's I've put in a I've put in an action a terrifying killing machine, or to put it another way, I've found a big bastard with no brain.

30:01 Chris Yeah.

30:02 Adam Yeah.

30:02 Chris Yeah.

30:03 Adam And that's pretty much Jason.

30:05 Adam You know, and it did make me think.

30:07 Adam You could and they do it in this film, is how easy it would be, do you think you could get away with Bugs Bunny in Jason?

30:12 Lee Yeah.

30:13 Adam Yeah.

30:13 Lee Yeah.

30:14 Adam You know what I mean?

30:15 Adam Like Candy for Mongo.

30:16 Lee Yeah.

30:17 Lee Yeah.

30:17 Adam Yeah.

30:18 Adam You know what I mean?

30:18 Adam Like Jason's a very sort of like, you know, he's a very single-minded guy.

30:23 Adam Let's put it that way.

30:25 Adam And, you know, I think if you just weirded at him, you know, suddenly you've got him in a barber's chair and doing his hair and stuff like that.

30:32 Adam Like Bug's Bunny would.

30:33 Adam You know, I think you'd throw him out like fucking completely.

30:37 Adam And that's pretty much what they do to him in this.

30:39 Lee Yeah, yeah.

30:40 Adam With the holo deck thing.

30:41 Lee With the holo deck.

30:42 Adam Sort of thing.

30:42 Adam You know.

30:43 Adam Yeah.

30:43 Adam I did like that as well.

30:45 Adam Is that there's just all the stuff about, oh, yeah, obviously we've got a holo deck.

30:50 Adam Obviously, we've got nanobots.

30:51 Adam And we've got this, that.

30:52 Adam And it's like.

30:53 Adam Can't you just beam us off?

30:54 Adam Beam.

30:55 Lee Yeah.

30:56 Lee Yeah, like you'd totally mental for even to suggest.

30:58 Adam What?

31:00 Adam You you would be disappointed that you'd got that far into the future and they found out what you haven't got teleports.

31:06 Adam Fuck sake.

31:07 Lee Yeah.

31:08 Adam Yeah.

31:08 Adam Yeah.

31:08 Adam Yeah.

31:09 Adam Yeah.

31:09 Adam Yeah.

31:10 Adam Yeah.

31:10 Adam Yeah.

31:11 Adam Yeah.

31:12 Adam But yeah, James.

31:13 Adam yeah, James Isaac who did it.

31:16 Adam He died in 2012.

31:18 Chris

31:18 Lee Oh no.

31:19 Adam Yeah,

31:20 Adam At 51.

31:22 Adam

31:23 Adam But he directed House 3, Skinwalkers.

31:27 Chris Okay.

31:27 Adam And a film called Pighunt that I never heard of.

31:32 Adam But it's a sci-fi action horror with a minor role for Les Claypool.

31:38 Lee I think I have got that on my shelf, I believe I've seen it.

31:44 Adam Right, okay.

31:45 Lee I think I saw it.

31:46 Lee I was going to say, I saw it quite a while ago.

31:48 Lee I think again, someone said there's a horror film with Les Claypool in it, so I tracked it down.

31:52 Lee

31:53 Lee But yeah, it was forgettable enough that I can't even remember him being in it.

31:56 Lee Or or anything about it, apart from seeing it on the shelf.

31:59 Adam When they say minor role, I'm like, well, they didn't even call it a cameo.

32:03 Lee Yeah.

32:04 Adam You know.

32:05 Adam

32:06 Adam And but he also but he did the special effects for Return of the Jedi or worked special effects on Return of the Jedi, Gremlins, House 2, House 3, Deep Star Six, a Rap the Phobia.

32:15 Adam Look Who's Talking Too.

32:17 Adam And for with David Cronenberg, he did he was part of the effects team on The Fly, Naked Lunch and eXistenZ.

32:24 Chris

32:25 Adam And, you know, and again.

32:28 Adam There's a lot of good icky gore in this.

32:32 Adam It's the more the CGI that lets it down, the actual sort of gore and stuff like that.

32:36 Adam I think actually works particularly well.

32:39 Lee Yeah.

32:41 Lee The body sliding down that massive coring drill bit that's on the machine.

32:47 Lee It looks fantastic, it looks so good.

32:50 Adam And again, that's what you know.

32:53 Adam That's essentially what you, despite what anyone says, that's what you come to Friday the 13th for, is just the the whackiness of the kills or the not the whacking it, but like the inventiveness of the kills.

33:02 Lee Yeah.

33:03 Adam And it's like.

33:04 Adam Because that is that is almost on a par with when they have to unscrew the guy in Doctor Who Fives.

33:10 Lee Yeah, yeah.

33:12 Lee Yeah, that was what it reminded me of, the whole time that scene was on, I was like, this from I've seen this some, this means something.

33:17 Lee And that was all it was, it was Doctor Who Fives.

33:18 Adam Yeah.

33:21 Lee but yeah, I just it's just it's a really fun film.

33:24 Lee And I know it obviously gets a lot of hate on IMDb.

33:29 Lee I mean, it's a 4.4 on IMDb, I was like, oh, maybe nobody has rated it, no, it's got 60,000 runs and it's got 4.4, so people really hate it.

33:37 Lee I think it's a great time, I think it's a really good fun and it kills as well, you know, hour and a half, you're in and out and it doesn't overstay its welcome or drag its heels anywhere.

33:46 Chris Yeah.

33:47 Chris Yeah, the pacing is good.

33:48 Adam You you get on with it.

33:50 Adam You're in the future within 10 minutes.

33:53 Lee Yeah.

33:53 Adam You know, that's you know.

33:56 Adam They don't even have to have Jason smash up another Jason.

33:59 Adam And then throws his machete into the air and it transitions to a falling orbital satellite.

34:05 Adam And then someone else and so forth.

34:09 Adam But yeah.

34:11 Lee I did like that final scare at the end as well, when the ship explodes and he goes, oh, he's coming.

34:17 Lee And you see him just flying through space still with his machete over his head, because he doesn't have to breathe, because we know he's a.

34:25 Adam No.

34:25 Lee Strangely superhuman being and he's just flying through space towards a spaceship carrying a machete.

34:29 Lee and then the.

34:30 Lee Sarge just takes him out.

34:32 Adam

34:32 Lee Yeah.

34:33 Adam Yeah.

34:34 Adam He's like the the the dealer.

34:35 Adam Though, that really seedy guy, he's in loads of Cronenberg films as well.

34:39 Adam But I I do love him, but equally, I did think it was like.

34:43 Adam Voorhees, that's not Voorhees, is it?

34:47 Adam I'm like.

34:48 Adam It's a bit of a leap after 200 year like 400 years.

34:51 Lee I don't even get what that guy was doing in it.

34:55 Lee They could have not had that and just been like, oh, we've Googled it and we've found out who this dude is, wow, that could be worth something to someone.

35:00 Lee I don't know what that guy was doing making some random bloke up, had anything to do with.

35:04 Chris Was he like a friend?

35:05 Lee Yeah.

35:05 Lee Could have been.

35:06 Chris A role.

35:07 Lee That's true.

35:08 Adam That's true, yeah, because he's like I say, he's a.

35:10 Adam He's in a lot of Cronenberg stuff, so it might have just been like.

35:15 Adam Oh, do you want to come in and do that?

35:16 Adam David, David's doing a day.

35:18 Lee Yeah.

35:19 Adam Yeah.

35:19 Adam Yeah.

35:19 Adam Yeah.

35:20 Adam Yeah.

35:20 Adam Yeah.

35:21 Adam Yeah.

35:21 Adam Yeah.

35:22 Chris so right.

35:23 Chris So have I been completely dim, he got killed.

35:26 Chris Before he got resurrected, reconstructed.

35:28 Chris Right, but so so why was he dead then?

35:31 Chris I mean, he was splattered a bit.

35:33 Lee Yeah, I think they just like destroyed him to such a point that there wasn't enough left to come back, but the nanobots managed to adjust him.

35:38 Chris Yeah.

35:39 Chris But that's it so so, you know, and this is where obviously we may not need to delve into this, but he's supernatural, but we don't we never find out what keeps him alive past that point where he could potentially die.

35:47 Lee Well, he was.

35:48 Adam With it.

35:48 Lee Yeah, he was dead in the fifth one, in the fifth one, and then in the sixth one.

35:53 Lee

35:54 Lee Someone digs up his grave.

35:55 Lee Yeah.

35:56 Chris

35:56 Lee Not to spoil it.

35:58 Lee

35:59 Lee Because he tact them, he digs up the grave so that he can stab him through the heart with a spike from the fence post.

36:04 Lee It then gets struck by lightning and brings him back to life.

36:06 Chris Okay.

36:07 Lee Okay.

36:07 Chris Frankenstein.

36:08 Lee Reference.

36:08 Lee Yeah.

36:08 Adam Yeah.

36:09 Adam Yeah.

36:10 Adam Because that's the thing is, I I think it's.

36:13 Adam I I don't again, I don't really know the rules.

36:17 Adam I think it's like it's like a zombie.

36:19 Adam You know what I mean, it keeps coming.

36:22 Chris Yeah.

36:22 Adam But I suppose you could just chop a zombie to absolute pieces.

36:26 Chris Yeah.

36:26 Adam And then it doesn't really matter if they're still coming.

36:28 Lee They're a liquid at that point, how much damage can they do really?

36:31 Chris Yeah.

36:31 Chris And but then and so he comes back and he's Uber, which that's relatively unnecessary.

36:38 Chris Because he's already pretty Uber.

36:39 Chris But I guess that was another.

36:41 Adam We know what we're doing.

36:42 Adam You know, you can book him.

36:44 Lee Yeah.

36:44 Lee Yeah.

36:45 Lee Yeah.

36:45 Lee Yeah.

36:45 Lee Yeah.

36:45 Lee Yeah.

36:46 Lee Yeah.

36:46 Lee Yeah.

36:46 Lee Yeah.

36:47 Lee Yeah.

36:47 Lee Yeah.

36:48 Lee Yeah.

36:49 Lee Yeah, you're back to.

36:50 Lee Calling a big bastard with no brains again.

36:52 Adam Yeah.

36:52 Chris No, I've just I've just looked, I was looking up House of 1000 Corpses which was 2003.

36:57 Chris But I saw this Jason X-mas, which was a series.

37:01 Lee I have no idea what that.

37:02 Lee I will look it up.

37:03 Adam Oh.

37:03 Adam Oh.

37:04 Adam Oh.

37:04 Adam Oh.

37:05 Chris It was 2014-2017 mini-series.

37:07 Lee Oh, yeah, I'm definitely going to find out what that is.

37:09 Chris Yeah.

37:10 Chris It doesn't say a lot, but it does have a picture of him on the cover, so yeah, we'll find out.

37:16 Lee Excellent.

37:17 Lee right, so for our next episode, we are continuing our Jump the Shark season.

37:23 Lee and we will still be in space because we are going for Leprechaun in Space as our next.

37:24 Chris Oh.

37:25 Lee Oh.

37:26 Lee Episode,

37:28 Lee Yeah, again, I'm quite keen to see after you after seeing the first one, Chris.

37:33 Chris Yeah.

37:33 Lee How you get on with jumping to Leprechaun in Space.

37:36 Chris No, it was a while ago.

37:36 Chris Now, which.

37:37 Chris That's seems kind of crazy.

37:39 Chris But yeah, I mean that's got to be.

37:41 Chris No.

37:41 Adam It'll be the same for me because I've never seen, I've I've only seen Leprechaun when we watched.

37:44 Lee Oh, you've only seen Leprechaun.

37:45 Adam Okay.

37:45 Lee Oh wow.

37:46 Adam Oh.

37:46 Adam Okay.

37:46 Lee Oh, wow.

37:47 Lee Have you not seen Leprechaun in Space?

37:48 Adam No.

37:48 Lee Oh.

37:49 Lee Oh.

37:50 Lee Oh, so much.

37:51 Chris Exciting stuff.

37:52 Lee I to be fair, I think I've only seen it twice, but yeah, I'm quite looking forward to seeing it again.

37:57 Lee So, yeah.

37:59 Lee Tells you everything you need to know.

38:00 Lee Right.

38:01 Lee Thanks ever so much for listening, everybody, go and check out Jason X if you're looking for comedy and not for a hardcore slasher movie.

38:09 Lee Go and listen to the not for everyone podcast.

38:11 Lee And we will see you all in a fortnight's time for Leprechaun in Space.

38:15 Lee Thanks very much, good night.

38:17 Chris Good night.

38:18 Adam Good night.