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Welcome To Horror Presents: “We Have Been Watching Meets The Wolf Man”. It’s time once more, faithful listener, for the team to discuss the varied audio/visual treats that have been assailing our frontal cortexes. In this episode we discuss “Wendell & Wild”, “The Witcher”, “Werewolf by Night”, “Hellraiser 2022”, “Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities” and “Night of Demons 2”, while Adam tells of his encounter with author, dreamweaver plus actor Garth Marenghi at the launch of his new book “TerrorTome”, and we briefly touch on “The Cornetto Trilogy”. Beware of spoilers and swearing and join us!
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Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Lee and we are here again for a catch up of what we've been watching in the last six weeks, which is going to be a real trial of remembrance because it's been six or seven weeks since I watched some of it, so I've very possibly forgotten all and every detail.
Lee Very quick pace of housekeeping before we roll into that.
Lee good friend of the show Lord Al has been unwell recently, he's had some health issues. but he is we're glad to say on the mend and has been getting good news.
Chris Excellent.
Lee So so we just wanted to send our solidarity and he watched Evil Dead Rise out today, which made me very happy.
Chris Yes.
Adam Get well soon, Alex.
Lee Yeah, absolutely.
Lee I would also fuck Paul Weller.
Lee But we'll we can pass on that one.
Chris Fuck Paul Weller?
Lee Yeah.
Chris Oh, okay.
Lee Yeah, just just because he's got a shit haircut, I hate his music, and he said in an interview the other day.
Lee I don't follow the news, but I log into Yahoo for my emails, and so you always get the the the stories, yeah.
Lee yeah, and he called Robert Smith a fat fuck and said he wanted to slap him, so
Adam Oh yeah, that's fuck you, Paul Weller.
Adam He also stinks of potatoes.
Lee Oh, does he?
Adam Yeah, Claire met Claire saw him in a gallery once standing his pompous mock mod ass in front of a fucking painting and not shifting, then she realized it was Paul Weller, but apparently it smelled like a green grocer, you know, a proper earthy potato smell.
Lee That's interesting.
Adam Yes.
Lee A bit like all of his fans who you can definitely always find at any Weatherspoons on any day before two o'clock in the afternoon.
Adam Laughter
Lee That's enough for rubbing Paul Weller.
Lee so.
Lee we are going to run as we always do, round in a circle of who's been watching what.
Lee So, let's start today with Adam.
Lee You can kick us off.
Adam With Adam.
Adam Yes.
Adam first thing I'm going to mention is mostly because it's always nice to have a bit of horror you can watch with the family.
Adam Netflix have got.
Lee Oh, we're going to have spoilers.
Lee Hey?
Adam Oh, yes.
Chris Spoilers and swearing, especially about that cunt Paul Weller.
Lee Laughter
Chris Lucky you got that in there.
Lee But that.
Chris Laughter
Adam Won't want to make anyone except Paul Weller.
Lee Laughter
Adam yes, sorry.
Adam yeah, always nice to be able to watch horror with your family and there is on Netflix a film called Wendall and Wild.
Lee Yes.
Lee I'm so keen to see this but I on a drunken night out with a friend said I wouldn't watch it until he came over and we watched it together and we haven't had a chance to sit down yet, so it's burning a hole in my Netflix account.
Adam Well, it's very good.
Adam It's the guy, it's directed by Henry Selick who did Nightmare Before Christmas and Coraline.
Chris Oh.
Adam And it's very much in that same sort especially Coraline in that sort of dark vein.
Adam I mean, technically it's for 12 year olds, Teddy's four.
Adam But he's quite robust and he's quite happy with the concept of reanimated corpses, demons and ghosts being farted out of a giant devil's bum.
Lee Nice.
Adam So and I tell you what, fucking soundtrack's incredible as well.
Adam It's got like fucking got the specials, X-Ray Specs, Death, Living Color, it's just really, really fucking good.
Adam But basically, it's technically it's Jordan Peele's latest film.
Chris Yeah.
Adam because he wrote it with Henry Selick and Wendall and Wild are two demons played by him and Keegan Michael Key.
Adam So essentially you get the key and feel like that, which is fucking brilliant.
Chris That's good.
Adam and yeah, it's just a very good weird little tale of these two demons whose who are connected to a hell maiden, that's what the mythology of it is.
Adam but this particular hell maiden is a girl who's parents died, it's very Roll Dahl in that sense.
Adam in that it starts off with parents dying in a car.
Adam So that's yeah, you know, you know, it has that sort of proper Roll Dahl feeling as it were.
Adam and then sort of she goes on to have a troubled life and she returns home to go to a girl's school as part of a sort of program like second help second chance program of like young offenders sort of thing.
Adam but yeah, she ends up going to this school and but Wendall and Wild contact her through the power of the fact they're tripping balls on their demon dad's hair restoring cream.
Adam at the at the start of it by the way, they live on the demon's head and are slowly adding plugs into his hair where he's worried that he's going bald.
Adam So he's getting them to rejuvenate his hair, but yeah, they contact her and say they'll resurrect her parents.
Adam And so she calls them up but then there's a load of other sort of incidents that happens local within within like the local community and you've got.
Adam some like as well as K and P, you've got James Hong, you know, David Lo Pan, he's he's in there, Ving Rhames, Maxine Peek and David Haywood who basically play Trump in a Boris Johnson wig and Liz Truss.
Adam That is seriously, when you watch it, that's just what the puppets look like.
Adam And I know that animation takes ages to make, so I don't feel that the Liz Trust side of it is deliberate.
Adam But it just happens to fucking be spot on.
Adam but yeah, and Angela Bassett and it's got some great music, it's got it's that nicely twisted sort of Coraline Nightmare Before Christmas kind of feel to it and and yeah, Teddy loves it and he's been liking the music as well, which is always fucking good.
Adam So yeah, that's that's that's definitely my first up and I won't go too far with it because I know if you want to watch it, Lee.
Adam Chris, I would also say it probably be worthwhile introducing the littluns as well, because I mean if they liked Coraline or anything like that, yeah, very much in that vine.
Adam It's really good.
Chris Excellent.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Fantastic, I should look forward to that.
Lee Chris, what have you been watching?
Chris I've been watching The Witcher.
Chris Which.
Lee yeah.
Chris Is a it's a based on books by a Polish author called Andre Sapkowski, I didn't realize that.
Chris but it's also based on computer game, which I've never played.
Chris I have seen someone play it for about 20 minutes and I thought it looked pretty good.
Chris There's a lot of magic and effects and lots of different creatures.
Chris And so since watching it I've I've understood a bit more.
Chris it's essentially a world full of your normal kind of fantasy people and monsters.
Chris But then you've also got there was something called a conjunction of spheres which brought in other creatures of myth like vampires and werewolves.
Chris but then also some creatures from Slavic myth, I think.
Chris
Chris Yeah, now.
Chris So I've seen the first series.
Chris And it it did remind me a little bit of The Mandalorian.
Chris In that the Witcher essentially who's he's kind of a superhuman, so they're made from it's like genetic mutation along with some sort of magic and so it kind of gives them superhuman powers.
Chris But he's kind of going around helping people in the world, fighting monsters, that seems to be the main thing.
Chris so yeah, he's kind of a a mercenary who doesn't seem to care about anything or anyone.
Chris And except when he starts to fall in love with someone seemingly.
Chris
Chris So.
Chris So yeah, it's it's like it's it's a good.
Chris Good mix of comedy, some dark bits, some of the the episodes are a bit darker than others.
Lee Very Game of Thrones.
Chris So well, yeah, yeah, it's interesting that.
Chris So I suppose you would you would be tempted to compare it to that.
Chris there are differences, I would say and
Chris It's it's I think it's more simple than Game of Thrones at the moment, although there's an amount to learn, but I guess yeah, with just the first season they couldn't fit too much in.
Chris but yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing I love.
Chris supernatural, fantasy, magic, fighting.
Lee I vaguely remember when I watched it, I brought it up in a in a what we've been watching segment.
Lee and I did rubbish it for the fact that the two main characters have got normal names with a letter changed out of them and it felt like some of the laziest writing I've ever known.
Lee
Lee Yeah, of course there is Yennefer and Geralt.
Chris Gerald.
Chris Gerald.
Adam That's it.
Lee It's just.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I I didn't hate it, but I when season two came up, I was like, it's definitely at the bottom of a long if we get another lockdown and I end up in furlo again, I would have watched it, but as I didn't, I was never going to dedicate time to.
Chris So, so I suppose I I I'm I'm definitely motivated to watch computer game based.
Chris Things saying that I've never watched any Resident Evil films.
Chris But.
Lee I've seen them all, I own them all in fact on Blu-ray.
Adam Laughter
Chris But I would be tempted to, but I just yeah, I kind of like it when they managed to make something that is you know, it's at least watchable.
Chris But I don't know, for me it it definitely worked, I did I did find it was entertaining, funny and I quite like the characters.
Chris but then I think as well it's the second thing I've seen with Henry Cavill.
Lee Yeah.
Chris And I really like him as an actor.
Chris I think he looks great and yeah, he just he does entertain me a lot.
Chris And so in fact, I did see in Nola Holmes, oh yes, the second one.
Lee Yeah.
Lee I haven't seen it yet, but it's on that is on my list.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Yeah, so I'm definitely going to watch that as well.
Chris So I I mean, I don't know, what else is he in?
Chris Have you seen him in?
Lee He's Superman, isn't it?
Adam He's Superman, isn't he?
Adam Yeah.
Chris Okay, I've not seen those.
Adam Does he have a mustache in The Witcher?
Lee I think he's like stub he's got like a stubble beard most of the time because he's rugged.
Chris But not a mustache.
Lee No.
Adam Because I think it was Justice League they had to pay a fortune to digitize out his mustache.
Chris All right.
Adam Because he needs it for another role or something, but they'd sort of there was like some conflict over it.
Adam And yeah, basically sort of, you know, a quarter of the budget, the CGI budget on that film was removing his mustache.
Lee I the thing the other thing that annoyed me about it was his voice.
Lee He does this really over the top dramatic voice, but having later heard the story behind the voice, I actually quite liked it and kind of took a step back on it, I thought it was really over the top, but apparently it was after they'd started filming or, you know, like he'd never intended to do that voice and then he said backstage when they were sort of fanning about, he did an impression of the voice of the character from the game and everyone went, oh no, that's great, you should do that, so he kind of had to stick with it, despite the fact it was never a character choice that he made.
Lee So yeah, so I kind of forgave him for that, I was like, no, he did stick see it through.
Lee I mean you puts him higher in my estimation.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Yeah, I mean it might be talking about the the mustache.
Chris It looks like he might have one later on, so it could have been from.
Lee Of season two or.
Chris Yeah.
Chris And then well three I think is coming out soon, so I don't know when that was filmed.
Chris But.
Chris But yeah, I don't know, I will I will definitely continue to watch it and I will report back to you know if I still like it.
Lee Excellent.
Chris I did hear that season two is meant to be better than season one.
Lee I might give it another thing is it's I watched it when it first came out.
Lee Which again is like three years ago now, so a bit like Game of Thrones, it's one of those, it's got lots of characters and lots of storylines and plots and I won't remember anything that happened.
Chris Well, yeah, no.
Lee It's just I.
Chris That's true.
Adam Do you think do you think Netflix should change their name to it gets good in the second season?
Chris Well, yeah.
Lee Laughter
Chris Well, although doesn't that happen with them or the the new Lord of the Rings, which I haven't watched yet, I did hear that the first few episodes were not quite great, but then it does seem to have got better towards the end of the first season.
Chris But I don't know if either of you have.
Lee No, I haven't yet.
Chris Okay.
Adam I can't remember who said it, it might it might have just been someone generally online rather than someone you know, like a known.
Adam Personal trustworthy source.
Adam Yeah, but it was basically it was along the lines of if you had a film called Dracula Dracula Surf Demon, you know, the film would be great, but the Netflix series would be you don't see him by the surfboard till episode seven, and then he doesn't actually hit the water till episode 10 as the fucking finale.
Adam And then you've got to wait for series two for any Dracula Surf action.
Lee Sounds about right.
Adam Laughter
Lee so skipping from Netflix to Disney Plus.
Lee I watched this year the Halloween release of Werewolf by Night.
Adam Oh, was that the Marvel?
Lee Yes.
Adam A Jason, isn't it or I can't remember.
Lee So a an awful thing is I can't remember who told me, but there is a character which is in this and I can't tell you anything without spoiling it if you haven't seen it yet.
Lee But there is a character that is in it that is apparently going to be this is like their side, you know, like their stand-alone movie to introduce the character that they're going to become later on in in the actual series.
Lee
Lee I really liked it.
Lee I didn't think I was going to somebody showed me the trailer and I was like, this is the Beast must die, but shit.
Adam Laughter
Lee That was what I thought it was going to be.
Lee And it kind of isn't so they get a load of hunters together.
Lee So the there's like and again, like we were saying, this is I watched this when it came out, which was about a month ago now, so I'm crying hard to remember it.
Lee
Lee the head of this kind of hunters guild has died, and he has a magical stone, and whoever wields this stone has supernatural powers, he has died, so they've got all these hunters together and released a creature and whoever kills the creature will get the stone and become the new head of this hunters assassination guild or whatever.
Lee
Lee It's all in black and white.
Lee It feel it does feel a lot like a sort of an old universal style feel, it's all in black and white apart from the red, so the stone is red and the red of the blood is all in color in the rest of it.
Lee So it's a bit sort of Sin City.
Lee
Adam Or or Schindler's List, but probably not quite not quite the same sort of.
Lee Laughter
Lee but yeah, I thought it was really good.
Lee It it yeah, it it was entertaining enough, there were enough twists and plot turns in it.
Lee It wasn't very long, I seem to remember it only being an hour and a quarter or something.
Lee It's fairly short.
Lee but yeah, it was really good, it had a really good cast.
Lee It had a fantastic actor in it who played like this grizzled old Scotsman, except the actor is from LA, so his Scottish accent may have passed in Hollywood, but it definitely did not here.
Adam Is he a bit groundskeeper Willie?
Lee Yeah.
Lee And it just kept going for a walk every now and again, it was like he kept forgetting he was supposed to be doing it.
Lee But yeah, I mean it didn't detract from it, it was a it was still good and I enjoyed it.
Lee So it's well worth a watch.
Adam Well actually, a dodgy Hollywood interpretation of a British Isles accent feels very universal horror as well.
Lee Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Adam Laughter
Lee but yeah, yeah, it was it was good, it was good fun.
Lee It was like you were saying, it was it all felt very dark, but then they they put in those Marvel comedic moments that sort of lighten it and the very end scene is kind of hilarious.
Lee yeah, so it's it's it's well worth a watch.
Lee It's it was a good Halloween viewing, it was one that we managed to squeeze in on our run up to Halloween and I'm glad I did.
Lee So yeah, if you haven't watched it, it's on Disney Plus, it's well worth your time.
Adam And you don't need any it's not heavily linked Marvel wise it's a if if anything it's a set up for something that will happen later.
Lee Yeah, so it works as a stand-alone thing but it introduces a character who is then going to turn up in the the kind of extend in the the main Marvel movie.
Lee Or somebody was telling me, but say over a month ago, it there's a lot of drinking goes on at Halloween, so yeah, so don't hold me to that, but that's definitely what I've been told.
Lee But yeah, go and check it out, it's well worth your time.
Lee Adam, back to you, my old son.
Adam I think next next one on my list is finally after some panic that it wasn't going to come out over here we got to see the new Hellraiser.
Adam Oh, Hellraiser 2022 or Hulu Hellraiser, whatever you want to use as a.
Adam Because I am getting a fuck of this, it's like stop just calling them the same fucking thing, you pricks.
Adam I know why you're doing it, I know why you're fucking doing it.
Adam Don't talk to me about algorithms, you pricks, but.
Adam yeah, the new Hellraiser from David Bruckner.
Adam Who I was I was trying to remember what else he'd done and one of his thing was The Ritual.
Chris Oh.
Adam Which I you know, cracking fucking film that is.
Chris Quite quite fairly different.
Adam Yes, oh, definitely yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But the and yeah, the I have to say I think it was as as probably the resident Hellraiser obsessive, yeah, it was fucking good.
Chris Yes.
Adam It was a good I'm just going to put it in as finally we've had a decent fucking just story like film out of the the sort of extension of the Hellraiser franchise, which really bottomed out after number four and a lot of people fucking hate that.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So it's you know, that's that's not saying much.
Adam But I think yeah, it was just a good you had interesting stuff in there like sort of that felt true to what we'd seen set up in those original three like in the original sort of trilogy of films.
Adam and some great adaptations of that, like the bit where someone gets taken in the back of a van and it's still that thing of the walls sliding open and the loud from another dimension and they just got pulled away into an extended length of van and then they disappeared and it's like that's just yeah, some sort of cracking bits like that.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Now, does does that happen in the original?
Adam In the origin in the original it's walls tend to move apart, and that's usually sort of but it's usually within buildings and stuff like that.
Adam So it's sort of you know, it in a weird way, it's like oh, is it you try and sort of rationalize it of are these a wall that's adjacent in another dimension or.
Chris
Adam But yeah, when once you've done it like that, I think it's like no, this is that's proper no escape.
Adam It's just yeah.
Chris And so in the later movies there's when they start to extend they get longer.
Adam The the later movies I think the trouble is the later movies, the majority of which do suffer from a guy writes a horror film and then they say we can get this made if you put Pinhead in it and we'll call it Hellraiser and but this actually felt like you were trying to use it basically it started as a Hellraiser movie when someone was writing it.
Adam And I think that's the important thing.
Adam Pretty much after bloodline they're not.
Lee No.
Lee I think you're right, I think after that they were just a horror movie with Pinhead as the kind of protagonist, whereas this felt like it built on that mythology and took the actual essence of the story and expanded it and as you say it included the Leviathan from the second movie and stuff.
Lee And it sort of drew all of that in and gave it a sto because that was never quite explained what Leviathan was or what it had to do with the box, so it kind of put more background into that and yeah, it did, it felt like an extension of the original movie.
Chris So like taking some elements, some of the best elements from a few of the.
Adam Yeah, and and just just treating it as sort of an original yeah, because I think basically what would happen is is that I think a lot of the films that they sort of made like the the sort of later sequels, they were probably films where it was like, you know, at the end of an anthology film where the guy who's been telling you the story turns out to be the devil, which is like half of the pretty much.
Adam I think it was kind of like that and then they just said yeah, but if you make the devil, if you if when he turns around, he hasn't got horns and a goatee, he's got pins all in his head, then we can make it as a Hellraiser movie and it felt kind of whereas this actually was like, oh no, this is exploring you know.
Adam How this propagates itself different and like the fact they added the different elements of we've always known the box as the lament configuration, but then it turns out that that is its one form and it can be another form, which is a different configuration and so on and so forth.
Adam And yeah, I think they just did some interesting stuff in there.
Adam I think the new Pinhead was good, I don't you know, really good.
Lee Yeah.
Adam And because you're not trying to act like Doug Bradley, you're doing something different with it.
Adam And it's sort of.
Adam Yeah, and I liked I liked the bites, I think they've obviously they've moved away from the they've moved away a bit from the black leather thing.
Adam But I mean, nowadays, so many people are pierced and tattooed and compared to 1987 when they made the film, it's you know, when they made the first film, it's not an unusual look anymore.
Adam So they've sort of moved around that and sort of like said, you know, moving into other areas with the center bites that it's.
Adam
Adam But yeah, and they had some interesting bites, which is always the lovely sort of Pokémon collect them all element of Hellraiser as well where you just like, well, I need to know the name of that man.
Adam
Adam Unless it's number three in which case it's like well the one with the pistol you said, yeah, it's called Pistol it.
Lee Laughter
Lee I think the only thing that did irk me slightly and it it is a plot point.
Lee But it it definitely knowing it doesn't spoil the film, so the it it basically turns out that if you manage to use the box correctly, you can ask for something and you will be granted anything you ask for, and the guy who had it previously asked for sensation.
Lee It's a bit fucking abstract.
Lee Like surely you ask for like sensation could be anything, you could just stub your toe and go, that was a sensation.
Lee You went through all that and that was all you got, you know.
Lee Or someone comes up and tickles you, like it's a little you'd want something a bit more, you know, or more they'd give him a bottle of Shazle, it's a cleaning sensation, you know, it's it's quite ridiculous.
Adam Laughter
Lee What a shit wish.
Adam Laughter
Adam Well, not only that, but also it's like fucking hell, mate, if you've been studying all this, you ever heard of Faust?
Adam You everything forzzle, you have to be fucking pretty specific with these fuckers.
Adam Or they will mess with you.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Proper wish master, like it's one hundred and one with his gin stuff, you know, no better but yeah.
Adam Also also I have to say I mean, I I thought that Odessa as on as Riley like the main character was really good.
Adam But right at the start, I thought she was Finn Mcssiles from Stranger Things.
Chris Yes.
Lee Laughter
Chris Yeah.
Adam Cuz cuz again it was just like oh bloody hell this is everywhere.
Chris That is slightly disconcerting.
Lee Oh, but she was outstanding actually.
Lee I was a bit because at first it was one of those I was like, I've got a horrible feeling this is going to be one of those characters who I'm supposed to be rooting for, but I am going to hate.
Lee But actually.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Yeah, she she did kind of despite her many flaws, she actually was quite a good character and you were definitely on her side all the way through.
Adam See, I think that's that's because that's the thing she wasn't made a likable character, but you liked her.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam But they they didn't do anything to sort of in you to the character, you know, she was quite sort of.
Chris I suppose you had some sympathy for her.
Chris She was chaotic.
Adam Oh, you you've got sympathy for her in a weird way, you've got more sympathy for the brother who's trying to you know, who yeah, spoiler alert, yeah, that's that's that for it.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Ain't coming back.
Adam And yeah, it's just but no, I just thought it was like just.
Adam I mean, fuck me if this had been number five back in the day, this would have still been this would have still been shown at the cinema.
Chris Yeah.
Adam So it would have been, yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Chris So now as the resident obsessive, what is it that makes you.
Adam Yeah.
Chris Watch each one.
Chris Is it the hope that.
Adam He's always the hope that they'll be better.
Adam It's it's like it's like if you it's like it's like a band, you know, you're hoping that their next album's not going to be shit.
Adam And sometimes it is and you have to say, well, maybe, maybe we've come to a full stop here, guys.
Adam
Adam And certainly, I mean, there's there's there's a Hellraiser I've still not seen just because I haven't basically, I want to see it, but I want to see it when they show it on the horror channel or something, I'm not fucking.
Chris Yeah, you've done your duty for.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But everything else I've seen and I mean judgment, like was pretty good.
Adam But again, I think that just suffered from a smaller budget and everything else like that.
Adam That they couldn't they couldn't really give you a story because they couldn't afford cannon fodder.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Which is you know, you do need a few people to get.
Adam And actually the one thing I will say is, I mean, I like to say, I still think it's absolutely it's a really strong entry in Hellraiser, but it's interesting that the more you look at it, Clive Barker was probably right that Julia should have been the monster.
Chris
Adam Because.
Adam As it drifts further from that initial story, you know, as fascinating as I am by you know, the the mythology of the Cenobites and Leviathan and everything else like that, Hellraiser, the original Hellraiser works because you've actually got that really fucked up plot in it that has almost nothing to do with the Cenobites.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Okay.
Adam And I think yeah, there's a it's a weird thing but the one thing that they've never sort of managed to replicate is just that sheer pervy kink of the first two films.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam You know.
Adam It's just a bit sort of like,
Chris So is that what's what you kept watching them all.
Adam The purp kit.
Adam I mean.
Adam It's I don't know.
Chris But I'm going to say I'm going to say you watching them all is almost like mirroring the film itself, it's proper sadomasochism.
Adam Oh, believe me, there are times when you sit there and you question your.
Adam What you're doing with your time.
Chris Yeah.
Lee I did yeah, I did the same, I said at one point, I was going to sit down and watch them all, did not.
Lee Yeah, by like the sixth one, I was like, I can't face another two and I soldug on and I was like, that was a massive kick in the balls, like I don't even remember anything about them, I might as well have just not bothered.
Adam There's there's one of the one of the later ones called Deder is kind of okay.
Adam But what you know, in a weird way, I'm annoyed that it's a Hellraiser movie because I'd imagine it had been it was better before they said put Pinhead in it and make a Hellraiser movie.
Adam and similarly, yeah, Hellraiser six, I think that was the proper comic book guy.
Adam Oh, I've wasted my life.
Lee Laughter
Adam I bought that on DVD for an exorbitant price.
Adam And.
Lee Laughter
Adam I was fucking robbed.
Lee At least they're back on track now.
Lee So.
Adam Hopefully, yeah, and hopefully this leads to more as well.
Adam Because I just think yeah, you know, they've got the right people involved.
Lee Definitely.
Lee Yeah, and it's a big enough it's a big enough universe that they've now created, yeah, they could still keep.
Lee I mean, this has been proof that they can still keep adding to the adding to the lore of it and making it interesting without having to, yeah, go on all these weird offshoots that make no sense or.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Chris So that they have safely got their hooks back in you.
Adam Yes.
Adam And I think and it's a nicely sort of they've made them nicely sort of wrong again, because that's the weirdest thing with all the sequences where it becomes like a moral thing.
Adam Where it's like, oh, Pinhead's there to say, hey, it basically becomes it's a wonderful life, hey, look at all the bad things you've done in your life, and it's like Pinhead wouldn't give a fuck, he just wants to tie your dick to your face and fucking something up your bum.
Adam That's.
Adam That's what he.
Adam He's all about, he doesn't care what moral basis, you just done a good segway into my next one.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Hey.
Adam Oh, good.
Chris Laughter
Lee Go on then.
Chris All right.
Lee Laughter
Lee You can't just leave it.
Chris I thought I needed I needed authority to to set me off.
Chris So.
Chris so so talking about the moral element.
Chris I love a moral choice in a story.
Chris especially when it's a a racist immoral white dude getting his comeuppance by a Lovecraftian tentacle weird monster thing.
Adam Yeah.
Chris There you go.
Chris That's basically, tell me that's the the aim of this story and I'll I'll be right there.
Lee Laughter
Adam I I think it pretty much is.
Chris Yeah.
Adam
Adam But no.
Adam I I was.
Chris Getting beat up a bit, halfway through as well.
Adam Yeah.
Adam But I have been.
Adam I've been very impressed.
Adam I mean.
Adam The one thing I will say is I've seen a lot of people talking about it because obviously Guillermo del Toro introduces each segment.
Chris Yes.
Adam Now, any any other anthology series or whatever like that, they'd have said, cool, it's very much in the vein of Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone.
Adam All I've heard people say is, oh, it's very much like Alfred Hitchcock presents and all I can think is, you're thinking a fat bloke has told you this.
Adam That's what you're going with.
Chris Yeah.
Lee Laughter
Adam
Adam But no.
Adam I I was.
Adam I've been very impressed.
Adam I mean.
Adam First I thought it was going to be the Bram Stoker.
Adam Mummy story.
Chris Oh.
Adam and I'm glad it wasn't because I got a whole new story.
Adam That I just really enjoyed.
Adam And
Adam Yeah, no.
Adam I I thought that that one again I thought was really good.
Chris Yes.
Lee Good.
Adam I'll be honest, I think I prefer The Master's of Horror adaptation of Dreams of the Witch House.
Lee That was good.
Adam But.
Adam Because I was sitting there thinking, you know, it's a bit of a funny one to do and then I was like, oh yeah, that was fucking 20 years ago or whatever it was.
Adam That Master's of Horror came out.
Chris Yeah.
Lee So.
Lee I only watched Master's of Horror last year, so yeah, it's still very fresh to me.
Adam You know, it's not as weird.
Adam It's not as weird to suddenly come across.
Chris As it is in your head.
Adam In my head it was five years ago.
Adam Well, I only watched Master's of Horror last year, so yeah, it's still very fresh to me.
Lee But I did think the the visuals of the witch, not to give anything away.
Lee It was absolutely terrifying, like it's it's got to be one of the creepiest things I've seen on TV in a long time.
Adam Yeah.
Adam And I think actually my favorite has the favorite of what I've seen so far.
Adam It's probably been The Autopsy.
Lee Oh.
Lee Okay.
Lee I thought it was more the viewing.
Adam I like the viewing.
Adam And it's Panos.
Adam Cosmatos who did Mandy and beyond the black rainbow.
Chris Oh, yeah.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Whereas that but the viewing was great because it was this is exactly what I want Panos Cosmatos to be doing.
Chris Yes.
Adam And.
Adam
Adam But yeah, no, I I mean obviously I really enjoyed that.
Adam But I I also like I said, I think it was just because The Autopsy was something entirely different for me.
