The Return of the Living Dead

0:22 Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.

0:25 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Lee And we are here this evening for part one of Punk Rock Horror month.

0:35 Lee Starting with the amazing 1985s the Return of the Living Dead.

0:44 Chris Can I jump straight in and say, before we start.

0:49 Chris Is it a comedy?

0:53 Adam Yes.

0:54 Chris Because because you kept that little secret from me.

0:58 Chris I assume I assumed deliberately. It didn't take it didn't take me too long this time to to figure it out though. It was before, you know, the final 10 minutes.

1:48 Lee Yeah, I I think yeah, I think it's funny how much horror comedy we cover. I think it says a lot about Adam and I that as soon as it need a top list of horror movies, 50% of them are horror comedies.

2:03 Chris But if you also imagine that I'm viewing this directly after watching Night of the Living Dead.

2:12 Adam Yeah.

2:14 Chris And I'm thinking this is a follow on from that.

2:17 Adam Think think of it a bit like Texas chainsaw massacre one and two, or even Evil Dead.

2:26 Chris Yes.

2:27 Adam I suppose.

2:30 Adam because obviously there is the the sort of the basically what happened was is that Night of the Living Dead's written by and obviously directed by George Romero.

2:41 Chris And

3:23 Chris Just to cut you off as well. I did completely cut Lee off before you'd finished even the first sentence.

3:28 Lee Oh no, it's fine. I was literally just rolling into it, but as we've just got into it naturally, let's just Let's go. Let's just keep it going.

3:36 Adam So yeah, so Knight's written by George Romero and John Russo and as part of the agreement that they had, John A. Russo got to keep future rights to Living Dead as a title.

3:54 Adam So all of George Romero's subsequent entries in it are just the dead. So you've got Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, whereas John Russo wrote a novel called Return of the Living Dead.

4:08 Chris

4:09 Adam And then this is sort of based on that.

4:13 Chris Right.

4:14 Adam But yeah, there was a script and then Dan O'Bannon who directed it also sort of quite heavily rewrote it and made it more comedic.

4:24 Chris Okay.

4:26 Lee Love Dan O'Bannon's work.

4:28 Chris

5:08 Chris But but you yes, right, so you've said it's punk horror, right?

5:12 Chris I was kind of thinking this almost feels like it's carrying on camp horror.

5:17 Adam It

5:18 Lee Yeah.

5:20 Adam Well, Punk and Camp Horror.

5:21 Chris Seems like a very good transition could do kind of, yeah. Yeah, a similar space.

5:26 Adam It is, although you think that's a costume, man?

5:29 Chris To wear, yes, yes, very good.

5:32 Lee I love that guy's film, like he just

5:36 Lee Yeah, I I mean everyone walks that line of like an absolute caricature of a person.

5:42 Chris Yeah.

5:43 Lee But yeah, it it's just so watchable still, all of them.

5:48 Lee It is Jennifer's one thing I would like to point out. So just before we started recording, Jennifer was hovering around in the hallway, and Adam and joined you and I was chatting with Chris and I said, oh yeah, we watched it last night.

6:00 Lee Jennifer had never seen it either and watched it for the first time.

6:04 Lee And he said, oh, what did Jennifer make of it?

6:06 Lee And her immediate thing was, well, you need to tell people that just because you're in a graveyard doesn't mean all women get naked.

6:13 Lee That apparently that was Jennifer's takeaway from it is that that was the impression she got.

6:18 Chris That was one detail you could take away, yeah.

6:21 Adam Well, I certainly never get invited to those sort of graveyards.

6:24 Lee I just love that I I'm sure I have noticed it before, but it just really stood out this time. As soon as she did it and they got the road flares out, someone in the background just

6:34 Lee Sharted? I'm sure they did, but they sharted as well.

6:37 Adam Yeah.

6:38 Lee Trash is getting naked again.

6:41 Chris Yeah. Turn the lights on.

6:43 Adam It's clearly a thing that happens.

6:45 Chris But I tell you what stuck with me though, was her her little monologue.

6:49 Chris Leading up to it is like, do you have any fantasies about being killed? And then she went into some detail.

6:56 Lee Yeah, and something happened later on, yeah.

7:02 Adam But Paul Linaea Quigley who obviously we last saw

8:26 Adam pushing lipstick into one of her boobs in Night of the Demon.

8:31 Lee We last saw her run up to Halloween, obviously always.

8:36 Chris Yeah.

8:37 Adam Yeah, that was fucking hell, when was that? That was episode 40. I thought it was more recent than that.

8:43 Lee Yeah, sorry, Leia. You should definitely have been on between then and now, we do apologize.

8:47 Adam But yeah, and but apparently, yeah, so she did the strip and a producer was there who complained you can't put pubic hair on television.

9:01 Chris So

9:02 Adam So she was then taken off, she was then taken off and shaved.

9:03 Chris Done with that.

9:06 Adam And then came back, and then apparently the same producer was going, well, now I can just see everything.

9:11 Lee Laugh.

9:13 Adam And so then she then had to go and have like a sort of like skin pants glued onto her.

9:18 Chris Yeah, yeah.

9:20 Adam It sounds like a pretty fucking rough sort of like shoot for her.

9:27 Adam Especially because I always forget she literally does not put her clothes back on.

9:31 Chris For ages.

9:33 Chris Or or at all, yeah.

9:34 Adam Or at all.

9:35 Chris It is and she's in it, yeah, a few more times.

9:38 Adam Funnily enough, Claire said she thought she wondered why she hadn't seen

9:42 Adam that as a more iconic like Halloween costume or cosplay.

9:48 Adam And I mean, admittedly, you have to be

9:52 Chris Like

9:52 Adam Starkers but like

9:53 Adam in terms of like, you know, because she said, well, you've got like the hair like the wig and everything is all quite an iconic look, so, I could try and pull that off. Yeah.

10:07 Lee Oh, it's like a it's like a big go-goggles on and the long grey leggings.

10:12 Lee Chris would definitely turn up to a party dress like that.

10:14 Chris I'm I'm tempted.

10:16 Lee But yeah, no, it is like it is an iconic look, as soon as you see it, you just, and especially later on where they put that prosthetic mouth thing on her so her mouth, you can see her when she goes to bite one of the ambulance drivers and like her jaw is obviously distended by several inches longer than it really is.

10:27 Lee They put like a prosthetic bottom half of her face on her. Yeah, that'd make an amazing cosplay, but

10:34 Lee yeah, as you say, she is technically naked by that point.

10:37 Lee And who's going to go out in just a pair of leggings and a and a wig?

10:42 Chris I'm going to follow on straight away with that to say, yes, possibly.

10:47 Chris But I I really liked the zombies in this.

10:51 Chris Right, and again, it was one of those, well, how how good are they going to be in sort of comedy way?

10:59 Chris And yet somehow that just they worked almost as well as the rest of the characters.

11:04 Adam They make the thing, they make the very smart decision of having them talk.

11:10 Chris Yeah.

11:11 Adam And also this is where the brains thing comes from.

11:16 Chris Yeah, but I did wonder how

11:18 Adam Because

11:19 Chris because I think this is fairly old, isn't it?

11:21 Adam It's 85s.

11:22 Chris 85.

11:22 Adam Yeah.

11:23 Chris But it's

11:24 Chris So what how many other zombie movies had been out before?

11:27 Adam Oh, they've been they've been quite a few because of the success of Night of the Living Dead.

11:29 Chris I mean, they've been like Living Dead.

11:31 Adam And I think Day of the I think Dawn of the Dead had already come out at that point, and I think Day of the Dead might be the same year.

11:39 Chris Okay.

11:40 Adam Or it might be like a year before.

11:41 Adam So,

11:42 Chris we we haven't seen that yet though. So that's what I was expecting us to be watching the third. And so yeah.

11:48 Adam But no, this is this is a very divergent

11:52 Adam universe.

11:53 Chris But but yeah, interesting what they bring into it really.

11:56 Adam And they also explain it within terms of film. They mention of have you seen Night of the Living Dead and that's the film that we made about the incident.

12:01 Chris Yeah.

12:02 Lee Oh, sorry, just to point it out. This is the same year as Day of the Dead.

12:05 Adam there we go.

12:06 Adam So yeah, so it's two because Day of the Dead.

12:09 Adam I mean, I love it, but I get

12:12 Adam why a lot of people don't.

12:14 Chris Okay.

12:14 Chris It's a bit of a

12:16 Adam Because you'll love it, Chris. It's darker as fuck.

12:19 Chris Okay, yeah.

12:20 Adam Whereas this this is still.

12:23 Adam What I like about this is I think that this I I got a bit sort of, yeah, definitely punk.

12:29 Adam Because this as a film doesn't pull any punches in terms of its horror and it does end with the only solution being to nuke everyone.

12:37 Chris Yeah, yeah.

12:38 Adam No one survived.

12:39 Chris That was not.

12:40 Adam No matter how much you fought, the army will just drop a bomb on you to solve the problem.

12:42 Lee Yeah, and it doesn't and it doesn't solve it.

12:44 Lee You just brightened and you're all fucked to get in.

12:46 Chris I figured I figured that was the message at the end.

12:49 Chris I was like, yeah, okay, I've got my message, great. The army does not know what they're doing, you know.

12:53 Adam But it's but it's a very funny film for a film that's that nihilistic.

12:56 Chris Yeah, yeah. Well, well, so so I mentioned someone that we were covering it tonight.

13:00 Chris And and they said, oh yeah, I saw that.

13:02 Chris And I was like, that's weird.

13:04 Chris I didn't expect that.

13:05 Chris And she said, yeah, like, and I had nightmares after it and I was thinking, this is, she was much younger.

13:12 Chris But I was like, actually, if I was young watching this, even though it is funny.

13:15 Chris I could see there really are some pretty harsh bits in it still.

13:19 Adam I think you'd take it more seriously.

13:21 Chris Yeah, probably would.

13:22 Lee And there's that fantastic and I think it's a perfect shot. I think that's part of the reason I love this movie as much as I do. There was that perfect shot, as you say, like trying to get that balance between real horror and comedy. There's the scene where the zombie has got the paramedic and the whole top of his head is missing and he's literally eating the flesh out of what's left of him.

13:39 Lee And the radio goes and he picks up the radio and says,

13:42 Chris Oh.

13:43 Lee Send more paramedics.

13:45 Chris I love that.

13:45 Lee Like from through horror to fantastic comedy in a single shot and both of them work perfectly.

13:52 Chris So, well.

13:53 Adam There is a band called that as well.

13:56 Chris Send more paramedics.

13:58 Adam Yeah.

13:58 Adam And it was one of those things where I saw it written down I was like, it sort of just sparked something in the back of my head and I was like, what is that from?

14:05 Adam And then it

14:06 Lee Oh, right.

14:07 Adam Yeah.

14:08 Adam It took a while to click.

14:09 Chris But it is funny though, because so much of this, if you showed it to me written down, I'd be like, is that going to work? And yet it really did. Like, if you'd said that's what they're going to do and I'd be like, that's a bit silly. And yet somehow I just really liked the fact that the zombies said that.

14:23 Chris And then later on he said send more cops.

14:26 Chris And it's like this is ridiculous, but somehow I just so entertaining that that they've got that personality to them.

14:33 Adam

14:34 Adam Well, also, but then there's also the really fucking and it is dark.

14:41 Adam When Freddy has turned and he's sort of like

14:46 Lee Yeah.

14:48 Adam Emotionally guilt tripping Tina to try and, I broke my hand just trying to get to you.

14:55 Lee Yeah, it's all your fault.

14:57 Adam It's really fucking horrible.

15:00 Chris Yeah, because she was obviously so upset.

15:04 Chris That she wanted to join them like in the room.

15:07 Chris This is not a good idea.

15:09 Adam But also, there's a it's it's weird because I watched I watched Dark Star because I hadn't seen it for ages and

15:18 Adam it's Dan O'Bannon and John Carpenter.

15:20 Chris Is this something I should definitely watch?

15:22 Adam I think you probably would like Dark Star because it's basically

15:26 Adam It's for a start, it kind of inspired Red Dwarf.

15:30 Chris okay.

15:32 Adam

15:32 Adam and it's basically it's basically alien.

15:36 Chris all right.

15:38 Adam But you've got a comedy alien instead of a nasty, horrible, like, you know, living penis dragon.

15:46 Adam you've just got a beach ball with funny hands that tickles you while you're trying to get through a lift shaft and stuff.

15:47 Adam And it's yeah, but there's a bit in it where at the start of it, they say the commander's dead and the commander is actually in cryogenic suspension at the point of death.

15:57 Chris

15:58 Adam And they can kind of talk to him.

16:00 Adam But it's just really sort of distant and sort of slightly harrowing and it's sort of like, you know, it's really cold here.

16:10 Adam And again, shouldn't be in a comedy film.

16:12 Adam And it's similar with this where you've got like the the absolutely horrible concept of how painful it is to be dead when they've got the half zombie strapped to the table.

16:22 Chris Yeah.

16:22 Lee Yeah, and it explains things.

16:24 Lee That is a beautiful thing, like I just, oh that puppet's amazing.

16:28 Lee 1985, it looks everything in this looks phenomenal. Again, it's that thing of having a horror comedy, but as you say, like the horror is 100% real, like if you took the comedy elements out of this, yeah, you're right.

16:42 Lee It'd be fucking harrowing because it's really gory.

16:45 Lee And then a really disturbing end.

16:49 Adam Yeah, with really dark concepts in there as well, you know, it's like

16:55 Adam

16:57 Adam but no, I mean, it's just and

17:00 Adam I I've got to say, James Karen as Frank.

17:06 Adam It's

17:06 Adam one of the finest fucking performances just full stop.

17:12 Adam We last saw him in

17:16 Adam We last saw him in Poltergeist, he was the real estate boss who didn't move the body.

17:25 Lee That's right.

17:26 Lee You only dig graves. But it's well, it's

17:29 Adam But yeah, he's him and when just his reaction when it all kicks off is just so wonderfully inept and sort of just like when it's the half a dog.

17:39 Adam Just kill it.

17:40 Lee Yeah.

17:41 Adam We all know his brain, he just And when he's going to him, look,

17:45 Adam I'm just going to saw his head off, I don't know if I can do this anymore for Bert.

17:50 Lee It's just And him and Klu are just all the performances in this is astounding.

17:55 Lee but yeah, them two together just play it so well, like that boss that boss and middle management type relationship they have.

18:03 Chris Yeah.

18:04 Lee Yeah.

18:05 Adam Yeah, it's no, it's perfect.

18:06 Adam And also, I don't know if you picked up on it, Ernie is probably

18:13 Adam a escaped Nazi war criminal.

18:16 Chris

18:17 Lee Yes, I did get that, yeah.

18:21 Adam I was that obvious you've got pictures of Hitler and Ava Bron up in his

18:25 Chris I almost I almost never see pictures when they're on the wall.

18:28 Chris I missed the Elvira one as well.

18:31 Adam Oh yeah, that's true.

18:32 Adam But this is now this is sort of a bit more blink and you miss it.

18:35 Adam But he's got a German gun.

18:37 Lee I was going to say he's got a Luger. He's got a Luger gun and he's listening to German

18:41 Adam Like Panzer marching music from yeah.

18:46 Chris Okay.

18:47 Lee And he's very blond and yeah, like it's a very

18:53 Lee But yeah, it's I it's this is one of those films.

18:57 Lee I I've got to admit, I don't dig out as often as I should.

19:01 Lee Because I always feel like it's a little bit draggy and it goes a little bit slow, and then I watched it last time and it doesn't at all, it's fantastic.

19:08 Chris Yeah, non-stop.

19:12 Adam It's

19:12 Adam I, I mean, I was I was still, I was still COVID suffering.

19:18 Adam When I watched this, it was nearly a problem because I was laughing so much.

19:23 Adam That it was like I was fucking choking at parts of it.

19:27 Adam And it's like and it doesn't let up, it's a proper, you know.

19:31 Adam And it's weird for something to start off quite intense and keep it going.

19:36 Chris Yeah.

19:37 Adam Especially something comedic or, you know, or action.

19:41 Adam It's you you end up with sort of, you usually end up with like little bits or whatever.

19:47 Adam But this just seems to it just fucking rollocks along.

19:50 Chris It just gets so much, so right.

19:53 Adam Yeah.

19:54 Lee I love the way that the the characters left together at the end as well don't all gel. So it's like Kluga and Spider and as you said, the musician guy. So like it it's the the people from the three different elements of the story are all left together and they don't really get on or like each other, but they're all in this horrible situation together and Yeah, they're just there's just something about the writing of this that I just feel was spectacular and is just Yeah.

20:27 Adam

20:42 Chris I think you have mentioned that before then, yeah.

20:46 Adam Dan O'Bannon's in it, and he he co-wrote the script, he's the editor.

20:51 Adam Special effects and stuff like that so he it's sort of like.

20:56 Adam He was doing quite well.

20:57 Adam Then there's the incredible fucking story which is a a podcast on on its own of June, they were going to make June. Alejandro Jodorowsky was going to make June back in the mid 70s.

21:10 Adam Alejandro Jodorowsky is quite the most singular fucking director visually that you will see.

21:17 Chris Okay.

21:17 Adam His films are fucking insane psychedelic

21:21 Lee Nonsense.

21:22 Adam I would say I would say very very deep and meaningful, but there we go.

21:27 Adam But it's but no, seriously, you've not lived until you've seen a

21:32 Adam people marching through with a set of crucified skinless goats and then someone recreate the Conquistadors killing the Aztecs by way of frogs and iguanas dressed up on an exploding Ziggurat.

21:49 Adam That is the sort of stuff you get with Alejandro.

21:51 Adam Anyway, he wanted to make he wanted to make Dune.

21:54 Chris That would have been interesting.

21:56 Adam Dan O'Bannon was involved as for sort of like effects and advice and stuff like that.

22:03 Adam And basically he got a lot of ideas from Jodorowsky's film which eventually didn't happen.

22:14 Adam He then wrote the script to Alien and sold that.

22:17 Adam But because he'd he was the one who'd met Giger or Giga HR Giga and Mobius, the French illustrator, and they're the people who go on to design Alien.

22:31 Chris

22:32 Adam And it was actually a hold over from Jodorowsky's plan because what he was going to do is he was going to get different designers to design the different planets.

22:39 Chris

22:40 Adam So that it would be completely different to each other and stuff like that.

22:45 Adam And so when they made Alien, Mobius designs all the space suits, all the earth technology and Giga designs the aliens and all the alien sets.

22:53 Chris Yeah, that's good.

22:54 Adam And that's why they're so sort of drastically different.

22:57 Adam And yeah, and again, that's like Dan O'Bannon's connection into that.

23:01 Adam And yeah, really he was sort of he would, he did some more sort of script writing but mostly he was a script doctor, but obviously by being involved with Alien.

23:13 Adam He's you and essentially, you know, he gets if if Ripley is in a film, he gets paid because he created the character.

23:20 Adam And yeah, so he was very did a lot with that.

23:25 Adam But the only film he directed was this and a film called The Resurrected, which I've never seen.

23:32 Adam 1999 1991 horror film.

23:35 Adam but he wrote Alien, Dead and Buried, Life Force, Total Recall.

23:42 Adam so he you know, he was involved with quite a lot of really cool stuff.

23:45 Adam And actually Toby Hooper was meant to direct Return of the Living Dead and he decided to do Life Force written by Dan O'Bannon instead.

23:51 Adam So Dan O'Bannon took over as director on this.

23:54 Adam and also apparently, he was meant to play Frank.

23:59 Adam He wrote the character of Frank for him.

24:01 Adam And I'm just like,

24:02 Adam I I mean, I like Dan O'Bannon, but no, I I can only see James Karen doing it really.

24:07 Adam

24:08 Lee He just does such a good job.

24:10 Lee I mean, and everybody does in this.

24:12 Lee I think, I mean, considering it's such a wacky story.

24:18 Lee I think everyone manages to get that balance just right and I know I say it quite frequently, but like it's got to be really difficult to be on that precipice between horror and comedy and managed to not go too comedic then it's all slapstick and stupid. Like and and I think that is the sign of a good director every time and that is the difference between a good horror comedy and a shit one.

24:36 Lee And that's why we only really cover the good ones.

24:38 Lee Because we don't want to cover any crap.

24:39 Lee but yeah, like on this, it just totally everyone is on the same page.

24:44 Lee Everyone is in the same film effectively.

24:46 Adam Yeah, no one's.

24:47 Adam No one is not playing a serious part and funny moments arrive arise from those caricatures.

24:53 Adam No one's, oh, this is the bit where we're joking.

24:59 Adam No one's winking to the camera or anything.

25:00 Adam It's very, it's basically, everything about it is straight apart from the jokes.

25:04 Lee Yeah.

25:05 Adam Which sounds fucking

25:07 Adam Possibly the most reductive thing I've ever said on this podcast. I'm just going to go in another room and shoot myself in the head.

25:15 Lee You're right though. Don't you panic because we're going to step into your realm now, because you mentioned it briefly earlier, music. The music.

25:23 Adam Oh, yeah.

25:24 Lee I mean, I mean, obviously, aside from 45 Grave and the Cramps.

25:28 Lee The score as well is just phenomenal.

25:30 Lee Like

25:31 Adam The score is fucking brilliant.

25:32 Lee It's

25:33 Lee so 80s, it's cripplingly painful.

25:35 Lee I love it.

25:36 Adam But but it's so works.

25:38 Lee Yeah.

25:39 Adam And actually, I I'm not sure if I'm right about this, but there's a damn song on the soundtrack, but I don't think it's in the film. Because I I'm I'm pretty sure I I I would I would have spotted it in the film because it's the damn.

25:53 Adam So, you know.

25:54 Lee I remember him.

25:56 Adam But yeah, I I think it's on the soundtrack and was it would suit the film.

26:00 Adam But I'm pretty sure it's not actually in it.

26:02 Lee Yeah.

26:03 Lee As I am 45 Grave, obviously their track is the one that is always because it was one that was on the trailer, so it's the one that's always associated with it.

26:13 Lee Yeah, and the cramps just again fits the perfect to that. Yeah. It's so wacky and fun and just

26:19 Adam Yes.

26:21 Lee Perfect. And actually, even the even the Rory Gallagher track that goes over

26:24 Adam But

26:25 Adam when Frank burns himself.

26:29 Chris

26:30 Lee Yeah.

26:31 Lee You know, just overly poignant in the middle of it all as well, you know, it's sort of

26:42 Adam But yeah, it's

26:44 Adam I I think it, yeah.

26:46 Adam I think it fulfills Punk horror.

26:48 Adam I think it's got it's got that same sort of thing.

26:50 Adam You clearly don't give a fuck.

26:53 Chris yeah.

26:54 Adam Do you know what I mean? It's like, here's all these characters, you might like them, you might not. They're all fucking dead by the end.

27:00 Adam you know.

27:02 Adam You can some people will find this bit disturbing, some people will be cackling.

27:06 Adam They're probably weird.

27:08 Adam But, you know, it's

27:10 Lee Jennifer did laugh all the way through this, a lot more than I thought she would do.

27:15 Lee Yeah, just because it is like it is a lot darker than I remember, you know, I said before we started recording.

27:22 Lee It's one of those, it's one of those films I always say I love, but I very rarely find myself in the mood to put on.

27:30 Lee So I've probably not seen it in five years, which is probably why Jennifer had never seen it because I'd never sort of said to her, you really need to see this.

27:36 Chris Yeah.

27:37 Chris But how often do you put on any zombie film?

27:40 Lee I think that's what it is.

27:41 Chris Mostly not, yeah.

27:43 Chris And yet this is

27:45 Chris you could definitely separate this from most other zombie films.

27:49 Lee This is one of the highest, like this is absolutely on a tier with like Shaun of the Dead for me. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

27:55 Lee This is top five zombie movies without a shadow of a doubt.

28:00 Lee but yeah, zombie movies ultimately fall lower on my.

28:05 Adam And but I think probably if I'm in a zombie mood, I'm going Romero.

28:09 Adam As well, so for me, it's sort of like, oh, it's the in my head.

28:12 Adam It's like, oh no, it's the unofficial sort of offshoot.

28:16 Adam It's not really the same.

28:17 Adam And actually, yeah, it's it really holds its.

28:20 Adam Fucking enjoyable.

28:21 Adam I think actually the trouble is as well is because I actually watched it.

28:25 Adam This this is how forward thinking I was, I recorded it off of Film Four.

28:30 Adam And I think it was last Halloween.

28:32 Lee Oh God.

28:32 Adam because I thought

28:34 Lee We're going to do it.

28:35 Adam It'll come up eventually.

28:36 Adam Because it's but it's also a right, I mean I've got other stuff in there, I've got the frightened sitting in there, we'll have to do that one day.

28:41 Lee Oh, that as well.

28:42 Adam But but that.

28:44 Lee Hold that on the car.

28:45 Adam Yeah, I think it was just.

28:47 Adam It's a it's one of those ones that's oddly expensive.

28:51 Adam You know.

28:51 Adam And it's one because it's odd because as on video.

28:55 Adam It was one of those ones that you picked up in an off license.

28:59 Chris

28:59 Adam And never regretted the five pound you spent on it because it was just a great film.

29:04 Adam And then, but now it's I think because it's rightly got its sort of esteem, like all the fucking Blu-rays are expensive or, you know, you can't get it in certain regions and stuff like that.

29:12 Adam And it's just yeah.

29:13 Adam So I've never actually had it on, I don't think I've had it on DVD.

29:18 Adam So again, it's sort of like one of those things if you don't watch it that often, so I again, I don't watch it that often.

29:25 Adam And actually it's like, no.

29:26 Adam This is fucking terrific.

29:27 Adam It does unfortunately mean that I'm probably going to end up paying through the nose at some point to watch it again.

29:34 Adam I don't know.

29:34 Lee So

29:34 Lee See if you can get the box.

29:35 Lee It's

29:36 Adam

29:36 Lee Like the second one, I thought was pretty good. The third one obviously is like a cult classic as well. Return of the Living Dead 3 is one of those. I've seen three, I haven't seen two. Is it all by the same same director, same writer? Yeah, I think it's not Dan O'Bannon. I don't know about the writing. yeah, so Dean, my brother Dean had returned the Living Dead 2 on VHS, possibly that he lent me. So I saw that one quite a lot.

29:57 Lee And I knew that three had a big cult following.

30:01 Lee But as you say Adam, that was one of those I spent years trying to track down a copy of that for less than 30 quid.

30:05 Lee Because like

30:06 Adam

30:07 Lee I was like, so the first one's pretty good. The second one was a little bit less.

30:12 Lee If the third one is less than that and I've paid more money for that than I've paid for 90% of my DVD collection, I'm going to be pretty pissed off.

30:20 Lee but yeah, I I did find it a really good. I think it was another one of those where they kind of found, so they did the first one, the second one was not quite so good.

30:28 Lee So they went back to, right, well what did people like from the first one and kind of brought it back to that?

30:32 Lee yeah, and just made it really well. But of course there's like eight or nine of them now.

30:39 Adam Is there?

30:40 Lee Yeah. I I knew I knew there was a fourth, certainly.

30:43 Lee I got a feeling it's ridiculous.

30:46 Lee I think like number eight is from the

30:48 Lee grave to the rave or it's it's like a long it got into that.

30:52 Lee Like Hellraiser where if you had a zombie film, if you could attach the living dead to it.

30:56 Lee Suddenly it became worth a big thing.

30:58 Lee But ultimately you're a shit movie.

31:00 Adam Yes.

31:00 Adam You could get it made, yeah.

31:03 Adam I think it's that again, though.

31:06 Adam It's, let's face it, it's something that you can't really do as a recurring set of characters anyway.

31:12 Lee Yeah.

31:13 Adam Because, you know, literally everyone is dead.

31:16 Adam At the end of it, so.

31:16 Lee Yeah.

31:17 Lee Yeah.

31:18 Lee Yeah.

31:19 Adam Unless some of them come back as zombies, I suppose.

31:21 Adam I think the colonel comes back in the second one.

31:22 Adam I read.

31:21 Chris Does he?

31:24 Chris Oh.

31:25 Adam Because I think that was that's quite nice as well when he's just on the phone is, yes.

31:30 Chris Yeah.

31:30 Adam And then what happened?

31:31 Lee And then what did he do?

31:32 Lee And then what did you do?

31:33 Lee I love that character.

31:35 Lee Like and you kept wondering where that was going until the end when he gave across the access codes and you were like, oh, I see.

31:42 Lee So he's the one with the football who's just going to sign the entire thing off.

31:45 Lee So the president ultimately hasn't got to do it himself.

31:48 Chris Yeah.

31:48 Lee It's like.

31:49 Lee It's so grim and it's it's wonderfully nihilistic.

31:53 Adam It's it's wonderfully nihilistic and still a fucking party film.

31:59 Lee And that's quite an impressive achievement. It is.

32:02 Lee I think that's what it is, you know, I said earlier on, I said I I always felt that it goes on a long time. I think this is one of those films that is like a 1:00 in the morning, I've been drinking for a long time, I'm going to chuck some in or no, I'm going to chuck some in. Oh, that's just horror enough and just funny enough and you put it on and then you start to sober up by half past two in the morning and you've still got half an hour left of it and you're like, oh, fuck, this is a slog now.

32:17 Lee I think that's what it is.

32:19 Adam Yeah.

32:21 Adam I think I define most films at that time in the morning.

32:24 Lee Yeah. As sobriety combines with, how long have I actually been up?

32:29 Lee Yeah. I definitely shouldn't have another beer. It is half past two in the morning, but equally, I'm not going to make it to the end of this sober.

32:37 Lee So.

32:38 Lee So.

32:38 Lee Yeah.

32:38 Lee So yeah, it it's a fantastic and as you said, like it's a perfect party movie.

32:43 Lee It is one of those you've got your friends over.

32:46 Lee You know, you're all having a few beers and a laugh.

32:50 Lee If you want something to chuck on in the background that you can kind of just go back to whenever the key scenes come in.

32:54 Lee It's perfect for that.

32:54 Lee It's.

32:50 Chris It definitely, yeah.

32:54 Lee It's perfect for that.

32:56 Lee It's that thing of the

32:57 Lee the skeleton breaking, like the ground breaker coming out.

33:02 Lee And then opening its eyes, which is ridiculous because the skin's all gone off of it.

33:05 Lee But he's still got eyes, but fuck it looks good.

33:08 Adam Funnily enough, I I think the effects guy said that he he thought that that was a test shot and apparently he was like really pissed off they used it in the main film.

33:16 Lee Yeah.

33:17 Lee And it's and they use it twice.

33:19 Adam Yeah, it's one of the most but it's also iconic because it's in the trailer, it's always, it's always the clip that people show.

33:24 Lee Yeah.

33:25 Adam Probably because it's in there twice, there's no more but that's not.

33:28 Lee And

33:28 Lee it just looks awesome.

33:31 Lee It's.

33:32 Lee And and that's the thing like I I really like the effects in this.

33:37 Lee As you say, for a horror comedy, they totally go full on like there's no holding back with it.

33:42 Lee It's really splattery and it's really and the ta monster as well.

33:47 Lee I've noticed this because obviously I've always known him as the ta monster because that's how he's always referred to amongst Yeah, nerds.

33:54 Adam Yeah.

33:55 Lee But it was only this time that I actually heard Spider refer to him as the ta man and I was like, oh, so he is actually called the ta man in the film.

34:01 Lee It's not just something that people have called him.

34:02 Adam Yeah, it's not like Pinned or whatever, which was just yeah.

34:05 Adam It's

34:05 Adam

34:07 Adam but and again that's just a really that that is that treads the real line between.

34:12 Adam That's funny and that's fucking horrible.

34:17 Lee Yeah.

34:18 Adam You know, because it's it's it's grim as well as hilarious.

34:23 Adam But it's

34:24 Adam you know what I mean?

34:24 Adam Just like a melted skeleton.

34:27 Adam And and also the way he moves.

34:29 Lee Yeah, I love that.

34:30 Adam Yeah.

34:31 Lee That really reminds me of Thriller when you see the zombies in Thriller, they have that very like I'm wondering if that's where they've got it from.

34:36 Lee Like it's that same sort of body move, like like a dance, because obviously in Thriller, it all then becomes a horror.

34:44 Lee

34:45 Lee Yeah, and it's definitely got that feel to it.

34:46 Lee But I yeah, I really like that.

34:47 Lee It's that because he makes the whole thing about.

34:50 Lee You know, the limbs freeze up and you have to break the rigor mortis out of him, so the fact that he's kind of it's moving on its larger

34:55 Chris Yeah, strange rhythmic kind of, yeah.

34:57 Lee joints rather than the smaller ones and it creates that strange.

35:00 Lee Yeah.

35:00 Lee I I it's.

35:01 Lee Yeah, it's a masterpiece of a film.

35:04 Adam So yeah, you seem to kept this quiet somehow.

35:07 Adam It's it's weird because

35:10 Adam I think probably me and Lee just clearly don't think about it as much as we should.

35:13 Adam Even though it's a fucking great film.

35:16 Lee It's one of those films it's like the Exorcist, it's so good, it's kind of

35:21 Lee you kind of don't have to talk about it because everyone knows it because it's amazing and it's a league beyond and you kind of forget that to some degree.

35:26 Lee And then when you go back and watch it and you go, oh shit, no.

35:29 Lee It really is that good.

35:32 Chris It is.

35:33 Lee Like.

35:34 Adam

35:34 Lee You know, it's a bit like when somebody says, oh, you know, talk about sci-fi or whatever.

35:38 Lee And you go, well, you take Star Wars out immediately before you start.

35:41 Chris Yeah.

35:42 Lee Because you don't need to talk about that. Everybody knows it because it's amazing and it's a league beyond.

35:46 Lee And you kind of forget that to some degree.

35:49 Lee And then when you go back and watch it, you go, oh shit, no, it really is that.

35:54 Lee Yeah, it it's just, yeah, it it's a fantastic film.

35:58 Lee so for our next episode on that note.

36:00 Lee We are going to go to the other end of the spectrum.

36:01 Lee Not to say it's dog shit, I'm not saying that.

36:02 Chris Okay.

36:03 Lee But we are going for a much less lesser known film.

36:08 Lee one that was mentioned to us on our listener request month.

36:14 Adam Yes.

36:15 Lee we had a request for Wild Zero.

36:20 Adam And I have still not seen this, so I'm looking forward to this.

36:23 Lee My I can't wait.

36:24 Lee For the text message you're going to send while you're watching it.

36:26 Chris Yeah, I can't remember if you said anything about this or not. No.

36:30 Lee Yeah, so so I watched it because someone had recommended it and it's the only thing I'd never seen and I just was like immediately we we need to do this.

36:39 Lee We have to do it, yeah.

36:40 Lee We need to get I know it didn't make it into listener requests because we did it in the random generator.

36:44 Lee But having seen it, I was like we need to fit this in somewhere because it's it's fucking mental.

36:49 Lee And it fits perfectly with this film.

36:52 Chris Yeah, that's good.

36:53 Lee In a very strange way.

36:56 Adam I can't wait.

36:57 Lee

36:57 Lee Oh.

36:57 Lee It's

36:58 Lee Yeah.

36:59 Lee It's it's one of those ones.

37:00 Lee You just I've never heard of it.

37:02 Lee It can't be anything.

37:03 Lee Someone's recommended it.

37:05 Lee I'm going to chuck it on midweek.

37:07 Lee Because I'm not quite tired, you know, I want to kill an hour and a half before bed.

37:11 Lee And then you just go, well, where has this been all my life?

37:15 Lee Like why have I not been involved in this for a longer period?

37:17 Lee So, yeah.

37:18 Lee I'm very keen to see that.

37:20 Lee That's not overselling it.

37:21 Lee So don't get your hopes too high, I went in with a very, I've never heard of this, it's got to be pretty shit.

37:27 Lee

37:28 Lee Yeah.

37:29 Lee And it's awesome.

37:29 Lee But I love Japanese movies.

37:32 Chris Excellent, yeah, looking forward to it.

37:34 Lee Indeed.

37:35 Lee Good, right.

37:37 Lee So, thanks very so much for listening.

37:39 Lee just a very quick one before we leave. I said on our last episode, we I mentioned the monsters, and I said it was on Netflix. That was my mistake. I'd ordered it on Blu-ray to come out and I knew it was due originally to come out on Netflix and on Blu-ray on the same day, but apparently they've put back the Netflix release, it's still isn't out now on the 14th of October on the UK Netflix. yeah, and I've had a few people say to me, I thought you said it was on Netflix. I it was originally supposed to come out on both platforms at the same time. and then they didn't, the money grabbing bastards. Yeah, so I do apologize about that. But it'll be out soon and I wouldn't rush too much to see it.

38:51 Lee Anyway.

38:51 Lee You said it was quite good for kids though, potentially.

38:53 Lee Oh yeah, yeah, totally. It's well worth a watch and I think for for kids, it's totally family friendly. It's a great film.

38:57 Lee So yeah.

38:59 Lee Good stuff. Yeah.

39:01 Lee Right, so thanks very so much for listening.

39:02 Lee And good night.

39:04 Chris Good night.

39:05 Adam Good night.

39:06 Lee Watch Wild Zero.

39:08 Lee Listen to Not For Everyone podcast.

39:11 Lee Any Rick and if you didn't watch Return of the Living Dead.

39:13 Lee No, fuck.

39:14 Lee And watch Return of the Living Dead.

39:16 Adam Yeah.

39:17 Lee Fucking.

39:18 Adam Bit like now.

39:19 Lee Spilers and swearing.

39:20 Adam A little bit.

39:21 Chris It's just not it is not spoiled. Definitely not spoiled.