Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein

0:23 Lee Right, good evening and welcome to very, very serious horror.

0:28 Lee I am Lee.

0:31 Chris I am Chris.

0:34 Adam And I am Poot Lovato.

0:39 Adam No, we're giggling again.

0:41 Lee Sorry, sorry.

0:42 Adam stop giggling down the microphone and I'm going to have to drop it so that we can become the two Cockneys that all three of us are.

0:50 Chris And I'm Adam.

0:52 Lee Um, and just a quick explanation for those who have no idea what's going on, which is everyone apart from the three of us in this room.

0:59 Lee Um, uh, somebody pointed out we had, um, our first bit of we had our first one-star review on iTunes.

1:09 Chris But to be fair, that's after like three years.

1:12 Chris I'm amazed we haven't had at least a few more.

1:15 Lee This is true.

1:16 Lee Um, but yeah, we were, we were most, I most, I personally.

1:21 Lee I was most annoyed and then most bemused by what exactly he was upset by.

1:25 Chris By the lack of coherence.

1:27 Lee Um, yeah, so first of all, it was the worst podcast you'd ever listened to, nice.

1:32 Lee Uh, he then followed it by saying, it's a pair of Cockneys who just laughed down the microphone.

1:37 Lee Which there are neither two of us nor are we Cockneys.

1:41 Lee Um, and then I couldn't work out what I was offended about.

1:48 Adam He's at that point that you I did, I did go and check there wasn't another welcome to horror.

1:53 Adam Just in case we'd got the bad press of two Cockneys on the microphone.

1:59 Lee Um, yes.

2:00 Lee So it.

2:01 Adam we go and talk about evil deed.

2:07 Chris But as far as internet abuse goes, we have not had our fair share, I would say.

2:12 Adam No, no, thank you, Chris, don't we've not had our first share.

2:15 Adam Now, I think we've now had our fair share.

2:17 Lee Yeah, we're not encouraging this.

2:19 Adam Yeah, don't encourage the shit storm.

2:21 Adam We're not ones to beg.

2:23 Adam But if anyone out there hasn't reviewed us and would like to give us a a five-star review, please do so.

2:28 Lee Yeah.

2:30 Lee Um, uh, yeah.

2:31 Lee And like, don't get me wrong, we like constructive criticism, but it's just when the criticism is just, well, they just like chatted for about 40 minutes and laughed a bit.

2:40 Lee Which, you know, it's, it's, it's just an entertaining hobby, really, we're not trying to be deadly serious, this is not an academic, uh, view of horror.

2:55 Chris I am, have you, have you not been taking me seriously?

2:59 Chris I'm very disappointed.

3:02 Adam The worst the worst part about it is, is that I did base my dissertation on our episode on Leprechaun.

3:10 Adam And now I've realized why I didn't get fuck all.

3:19 Adam Shit, I thought we were like A1 Academia.

3:24 Adam I thought we were a listed text.

3:28 Chris Well, we can say that on our on our bio.

3:30 Chris So.

3:33 Lee Um, yes.

3:34 Lee So, uh.

3:34 Adam But.

3:35 Adam Yes.

3:36 Adam So.

3:36 Lee Just pointing a bit of fun at that really because uh it sort of made us laugh.

3:40 Lee Um.

3:41 Chris And of course, he will never hear that.

3:43 Lee No, so what you know.

3:45 Lee It's his loss.

3:46 Lee Well, I say his.

3:47 Lee It could be a her.

3:47 Lee I mean.

3:48 Chris That's true.

3:49 Lee It's their loss.

3:50 Adam Yeah, let's not let's not be let's let's let's be equal with our abuse.

3:53 Adam You know.

3:54 Adam What, who whomsoever this person is.

3:57 Adam Right.

3:58 Adam And uh, yeah.

4:00 Lee You're gone.

4:03 Adam Oh, I really, I wanted.

4:04 Adam Actually, funnily enough, the thing was is I wanted to watch this really, there was this really great documentary about werewolves that I was going to watch.

4:10 Adam But it was all like just like funny and like Rick Mayall was in it and someone Nixon Balloons and stuff like that.

4:17 Adam Fuck.

4:18 Adam You know.

4:19 Adam What's the world coming to.

4:20 Chris This is quite a good segway into the film we watched tonight.

4:22 Chris Really, isn't it?

4:23 Adam That's very true.

4:24 Lee Yeah.

4:25 Lee Yeah, I imagine trying to talk seriously, uh, about a film like this, it's.

4:33 Lee Oh, yeah.

4:34 Lee Whoever knows.

4:35 Lee Anyway.

4:36 Adam I to be honest, most of them.

4:42 Lee Um, so before we get too serious and too on topic, um, we've got to get our usual bollocks out of the way.

4:51 Lee Um, so Chris, have you had the opportunity to see anything in the horror genre?

4:57 Chris Not in the horror genre per se, but I'm going to make a tenuous link, hopefully.

5:02 Chris So we're still been working through the uh, the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

5:08 Lee Oh, yes.

5:10 Adam How many you got to?

5:11 Chris Well, I have to, I have to make a very powerful statement here.

5:16 Chris That anybody, anybody out there that may not have watched Guardians of the Galaxy.

5:21 Chris One or two.

5:22 Chris And anybody, you know.

5:23 Chris Like I highly recommend that you get right on that.

5:30 Adam And that is duly noted.

5:31 Adam Now that is constructive criticism.

5:36 Chris Did you like how subtle it was?

5:39 Adam Yeah, it was very subtle, Chris.

5:40 Adam Yeah.

5:40 Chris Um, but to be fair.

5:42 Chris I had totally forgotten how good they were.

5:45 Chris So it did stand out, I was watching.

5:47 Chris I was thinking.

5:48 Chris These are just great, they're just all all the right sort of elements in there.

5:52 Chris Um, it's fun.

5:53 Chris It turns out it does have, you know, a pretty good storyline that that threads throughout the two and culminates, I'd say, at the end of two with a nice twist.

6:01 Chris As far as one of these films could twist, so it's good.

6:05 Chris And following on from that, a complete surprise Ant-Man, I did not expect it to be as good as it was.

6:10 Chris And that turned out to be a lot of fun and my tenuous link is that I didn't realize it was directed by Edgar Wright.

6:15 Chris Who I also now know directed Sean of the Dead.

6:19 Lee Absolutely.

6:20 Chris And possibly some others that I can't think of.

6:23 Adam Uh, Hot Fuzz.

6:25 Chris Oh, yeah.

6:25 Adam The Blood and Ice Cream trilogy.

6:28 Adam Um, Scott Pilgrim.

6:31 Adam That's him.

6:32 Chris Oh, okay.

6:32 Lee Now, that's a good film as well.

6:35 Adam Baby driver.

6:36 Chris So, so we've got people on here who know stuff.

6:42 Adam Who would have thought.

6:44 Lee Um, yeah, so I love those Guardians film and I think the thing is when they sort of come out.

6:49 Lee And Marvel was doing quite well.

6:52 Lee The impression that I got from people was that they were basically they were written by a committee, so it was like, you know, you sort of you got a lot of people around the table and I was like, that's not the way to write a coherent, well-rounded movie, and they totally proved me wrong and did a great job of it.

7:08 Lee Which again, which is what all the well, not all, the majority of the Marvel films have done so far to be fair.

7:15 Adam I think I think it's they're heading much more towards the model because American TV is a writer's room a lot more often.

7:25 Adam And yeah, I think but then I think something like Marvel kind of you aren't just dealing with a single movie, it is you at least need someone there going, well, you can't put that in because that fucks up three movies time.

7:40 Lee Yeah.

7:41 Adam Um, and that sort of thing.

7:42 Adam But yeah.

7:43 Adam But I've I'm believe me, I'm so, gentlemen, I do need to see it.

7:49 Adam Um, I was thinking that, you know, obviously at some point on Mos Eisley Happy Hour we've run out of Star Wars to do.

7:56 Adam But I mean, I was thinking maybe we'd do something like Spaceballs and things like that.

8:01 Chris Oh.

8:01 Adam And then I thought.

8:03 Adam Guardians of the Galaxy, you could kind of argue.

8:05 Chris I I did get a bit of a Star Wars feel when I was watching it at the cinema.

8:11 Chris It's so, yeah, of everything I've seen, this is, you know, it's it's good fun sci-fi.

8:15 Adam Yeah.

8:16 Chris With loads of aliens.

8:17 Adam Yeah.

8:18 Adam I think, yeah, so but I mean, whatever happens, I'm going to watch them, I've just the had the opportunity, every time I took the DVD around to people's houses, they were just shits about it.

8:31 Adam Just.

8:34 Lee Fair enough.

8:36 Lee Um, Adam, have you watched anything horror related?

8:40 Adam Um, I've watched, uh, I showed Claire Kolchak, like the first one, the Night Stalker.

8:47 Adam Um, because I was basically like I I didn't know what I wanted to watch.

8:55 Adam And it was like, well, if you want.

8:56 Adam Do you want do you want to watch like a horror film Columbo?

9:02 Adam And uh, so yeah, so we we watched Night Stalker.

9:05 Adam That's again, that's something that maybe we need to cover at some point.

9:10 Adam I'm not sure whether it's I'm not sure whether to go with the very first like because the original obviously was where it all took off from.

9:19 Adam Um, but then obviously there's quite a few good episodes in the series and stuff like that, so but you'd probably start at the at the starting point.

9:28 Adam But um, but yeah, so we watched.

9:30 Chris How do you spell it?

9:31 Adam Uh, K O L C H A K, I think.

9:36 Chris The Night Stalker.

9:38 Adam Yeah.

9:38 Adam Yes.

9:39 Adam Because what it is that they did they it's a made for TV movie and it's basically Carl Kolchak is a reporter for the local newspaper and uh series of unusual murders take place.

9:54 Adam And he begins to realize that it has a supernatural cause, um, but the sort of in in a way a bit like say, um, Dirty Harry or Jaws or something like.

10:02 Adam He basically butts heads against the local authorities who are like, yeah, we think it's that too but you've got to you can't report this.

10:12 Adam And um, yeah, and and it was but it was like it was a one-off, it was written by um, uh, Richard Matheson who um, just did so many great stories and wrote, um, oh, we covered it very early on.

10:34 Lee Um, uh, House of.

10:35 Adam Uh, I Am Legend.

10:36 Lee Ah.

10:36 Adam House.

10:37 Adam Yeah, he wrote he wrote the book of that and adapted the screenplay, did Twilight Zone, I Am Legend.

10:43 Adam He's, you know, he's.

10:45 Chris Okay.

10:45 Adam Yeah.

10:46 Adam Um, and basically, yeah, it was just like a one-off, it wasn't like a pilot or anything, it was just a one-off TV movie, and it proved to be such a hit that they then did a follow-up called The Night Strangler, and the Night Strangler basically.

11:04 Adam kind of is the original version of 'Tooms' from, uh, The X-Files, in that it's a weird it's not a it's not something it's not like a vampire or a werewolf or something like that.

11:17 Adam It's a more unusual human creature.

11:20 Adam And then that was so successful that they then made uh they made one series of it, and that is and it's lit it literally is why The X-Files existed.

11:33 Adam Because it's basically Kolchak every week, um, encounters like a different monster or supernatural thing or a UFO or an invisible man or a mad scientist and it's sort of, yeah.

11:48 Adam And but but it's basically it's basically Columbo does The X-Files.

11:52 Adam Because it's this crumpled little this this crumpled little man wandering around investigating it and being uh sort of smarter than everyone else in the room.

12:07 Adam But yeah, it's.

12:09 Chris Well, that is selling it to me.

12:11 Adam It's well worth it's well worth seeing but I maybe we need to cover the original at some point.

12:15 Adam I think just because, well, it's part of it's part of the tapestry, I think.

12:19 Chris Can we cover Columbo as well?

12:21 Adam We could cover there's there is there is a Vincent Price episode of Columbo.

12:25 Chris Is there?

12:26 Chris Oh.

12:26 Adam Yeah, Vincent Price is in an episode of Columbo.

12:29 Adam And he and strangely enough and this is obviously not spoilers because the great thing is with Columbo is you see the murder at the start and then it's how he works it out is the thing really a who done it.

12:40 Adam Um.

12:41 Adam And unusually, yeah, Vincent Price is the killer.

12:46 Adam Um, but yeah, Donald Pleasence also is in a very good one.

12:51 Chris Mm.

12:52 Adam Um, where and he turns up at um, he turns up at the head of a lot of polls of best Columbo villain.

13:00 Adam Um, and he's yeah, he's really good in it.

13:01 Adam Um.

13:03 Adam Patrick McGoohan's in it so many fucking times, it's unreal.

13:06 Adam Um.

13:07 Adam And actually, uh, one of the best also one of the best episodes is the Johnny Cash store uh Johnny Cash one.

13:13 Chris Mm.

13:13 Adam Uh where Johnny Cash plays a country and western singer who bumps someone bumps uh his is it his sister, I think it's his or his wife, I can't remember.

13:24 Adam But.

13:25 Adam Anyway, yeah.

13:26 Adam So I I digress, but yeah.

13:27 Adam There are some fantastic Columbo's out there.

13:30 Adam And they much like Adam West Batman, it does tend to be a bit it lives or dies on its guest star.

13:38 Chris Yeah, okay.

13:39 Adam And but yeah, there's seriously and obviously the great Santini who is the finest Columbo villain whoever graced the small screen.

13:50 Adam Uh, I've also watched Demons.

13:51 Adam You know, the um, 80s, uh, oh.

13:56 Lee Oh, yes.

13:57 Adam Um, Bava it's it's not it's not Bava Lamber, uh, yeah, that.

14:05 Chris Is that the six-part series?

14:08 Adam Uh, no, no, there's Demons is, um, Demons is a film like Italian, well, Italian made English language horror film, um, from the eighties.

14:19 Adam Which is just brilliant but also one of it's just.

14:24 Adam I there were bits in that that I think I must have watched it in some kind of, you know, an altered state maybe or something.

14:30 Adam Because there were certainly towards the end, I didn't remember large chunks of it.

14:34 Adam And there was, um, there's a samurai sold on a dirt bike, fight with monsters, um, Black Shocker is in it.

14:43 Adam It's just.

14:44 Adam Yeah, it's quite it's quite a marvelous film, but it's Arrow released it on Blu-ray as a double with Demons 2.

14:52 Adam And I haven't.

14:53 Adam I was I was kind of thinking I'd tackle Demons 2 the same night and then I was probably just too knackered, so but I will be I will be watching Demons 2 as well.

15:01 Adam Because they're just.

15:03 Adam They're proper what I would describe as horror fun.

15:07 Lee Yeah.

15:08 Adam You know, they're just fucking daft.

15:11 Adam But, yeah.

15:12 Adam But a very good premise, it's but it's a bit sort of it's a bit in the mouth of madness because it's basically someone gives out flyers to uh go to the cinema.

15:23 Adam Loads of people go there.

15:25 Adam And then the film within the film happens in the cinema and basically it's a sort of magical right to unleash demons.

15:32 Adam And uh, yeah.

15:34 Adam That's just and Claudio Simonetti from Goblin did the score.

15:39 Adam And it's fucking brilliant.

15:40 Adam Oh.

15:41 Adam So.

15:41 Adam Yeah.

15:42 Adam It's.

15:44 Adam I I recommend Demons.

15:48 Lee Um, so I have caught up with uh, one of your recommendations, Adam, uh, I watched uh, the Black Coat's Daughter.

15:56 Adam Oh, yes.

15:58 Adam Yes, what did you think?

15:59 Lee Um, I kind of liked it.

16:03 Lee Um, I thought it was really like, it worked brilliantly as a horror film, but it was one of those that it finished and I was like, that was creepy.

16:11 Lee And then I was like, that was a bit of a coincidence.

16:15 Lee And that was never explained.

16:16 Adam Yeah.

16:17 Lee Don't know what happened to those people.

16:18 Lee Like it was one of those it was it worked really well to make it was really creepy and really sinister, but it just left me with loads of questions at the end.

16:26 Adam Yeah, it's it's not one that bears much analysis back, I don't think.

16:30 Lee No, no.

16:31 Adam Because I I had much the same experience where I watched it and I was sustained.

16:36 Adam So as as a as a film, it works because you are like you are taking along with it.

16:40 Adam But yeah, afterwards you do start just going, hang on.

16:43 Adam But what was that about?

16:46 Adam And yeah.

16:46 Lee Yeah.

16:47 Lee So.

16:48 Lee Um, but yeah, I mean it was I it was entertaining.

16:50 Lee Uh and it was really creepy.

16:52 Lee Yeah, and I liked the way the story progressed.

16:54 Lee So.

16:56 Lee I definitely didn't dislike it.

16:59 Lee Uh, yeah.

17:00 Lee As you say, it was just one of those that you're like.

17:04 Lee So if that person hadn't turned up at exactly that moment.

17:07 Lee None of this would have happened.

17:08 Lee Then it was all a bit.

17:10 Lee Mm.

17:10 Lee But yeah, it worked.

17:16 Adam I it also does it also does feature the only documentary footage of me, um, going on social media.

17:23 Adam So, which is just the bit with the phone call, kill all the cunts.

17:30 Adam That's it.

17:31 Adam That's the two actually there's two there's two responses that are in cinema to that.

17:34 Adam And the other one is Peter Cushing in Star Wars because Pickering is pointless.

17:37 Adam So.

17:40 Adam Oh dear, I've opened the internet.

17:41 Adam Ah.

17:44 Lee Um, uh, and uh, so the other thing I did want to discuss isn't something I've watched, but it's it's something that cropped up this week that I thought I'd might be a fun discussion.

17:53 Lee Um.

17:54 Lee Um, so the new Rob Zombie album came out this week, um, which I've given a listen and decided that I'm not sure I need anymore Rob Zombie.

18:01 Lee Um.

18:02 Adam You think he's done his bit?

18:03 Lee Yeah.

18:04 Adam I think.

18:05 Lee Yeah, and it's funny, I was having a conversation with a guy next, you know when you say something and you just kind of say it as an off-the-cuff joke and then you suddenly go.

18:12 Lee No, I think I've really stumbled on something here.

18:14 Lee Um.

18:16 Lee So I was saying to somebody he was saying to me, oh, you know, the new Rob Zombie album's coming out.

18:23 Lee And I said, I really liked the earlier stuff when he's like, don't get me wrong, a song can just be, you know, like the lyrics of a song.

18:31 Lee Don't have to change your life, it doesn't have to be something incredibly poignant.

18:37 Lee But it has to mean something.

18:38 Lee And as Rob Zombie's career has gone in, gone on, sorry, he's gone from writing songs that have a story to just saying a load of words that create a kind of creepy visual.

18:52 Lee And I think he's much more of a visual person.

18:56 Lee Then.

18:58 Lee Um, and that's what.

19:00 Lee So I think what he's done is, in the last few years, instead of writing songs, I think he gets out his little notepad and he goes into Walmart when they open their Halloween aisle.

19:12 Lee And he walks down it.

19:13 Lee And he just writes everything down.

19:15 Lee Scary cat.

19:17 Lee Uh, funny thing with bobbly eyes.

19:20 Lee Uh, that's a cat with a baby's face.

19:23 Lee Uh, Halloween candy.

19:24 Lee He just writes it all down.

19:24 Lee And then the band plays music and he just reads his list back in the voice of Charles Manson.

19:29 Lee And that's it.

19:29 Lee That's all he does.

19:30 Lee He doesn't bother writing anything.

19:32 Lee He that's that's his way of creating now.

19:36 Lee Which, you know.

19:36 Adam Has he got has he got to the Mad Libs sort of stage with it then you think?

19:40 Adam Where it's just he's he has like a flick book, it's like, right, what, uh, right.

19:46 Adam A, um, a type of vehicle, jet plane, okay, right.

19:50 Adam Um, a.

19:52 Adam Uh, a country.

19:53 Adam Transylvania.

19:54 Adam A monster.

19:55 Adam Creature from the Black Lagoon.

19:57 Adam Oh, we've not done him before.

19:58 Adam And yeah, and that's.

20:01 Adam There we go.

20:02 Adam I'm on my airplane with the creature from the Black Lagoon.

20:05 Adam Yeah.

20:07 Lee Exactly, that's exactly what it is.

20:10 Lee Um, yeah, so it just doesn't work for me.

20:11 Lee Unfortunately.

20:12 Lee Oh.

20:13 Adam You know.

20:13 Lee I still like the it's great for having a party and having on the background because it's great lively music.

20:19 Lee But it's just when you actually sit down and listen to it, you just go, you're just saying a load of random words, Rob, it's just not not cutting it.

20:28 Lee Um, but but to what I found when I was doing a little Google was that his name has turned up a lot in the last month or so.

20:36 Lee Um, with a new project to reboot The Munsters in an with an R-rating, have you heard about this, Adam?

20:43 Adam Yes.

20:43 Adam I was going to funnily enough, that's what I was going to say, I don't know if you'd spotted this, but yeah, he's meant to be doing.

20:49 Adam I think it is a film version of The Munsters.

20:53 Adam Um, the I think the only confirmed cast member is Sheri Moon Zombie who is playing, uh, Lily.

21:01 Adam Um, and the only other person I've heard is apparently Elvira is in the cast as well.

21:08 Chris Oh, okay.

21:09 Adam Um, but other than that, I don't know much more about it.

21:13 Adam It'd be I mean.

21:14 Adam It'd be interesting to see.

21:15 Adam But I what was the what was the one with Eddie Izzard, they did like a pilot of.

21:21 Lee 13 13 Mockingbird Lane.

21:22 Adam Yeah.

21:23 Adam Which again was kind of like trying to take The Munsters into a not necessarily like an adult or area, but it had it was slightly more sort of visceral.

21:38 Adam Yeah.

21:40 Adam And, you know, Herman genuinely was made of.

21:43 Adam Because this is the thing, in The Munsters, it's never made a thing of their monstrousness, whereas that was like, oh no, Herman is built from dead bodies.

21:52 Adam And, you know, and grandpa is a vampire and he kills people and drinks their blood and so on and so forth.

21:57 Adam So it's like.

21:59 Adam I I don't know, I'm kind of interested to see it.

22:03 Chris Mm.

22:04 Adam Um, I'm kind of also hoping that he rings up The Ghastly Ones and gets them to do the score.

22:10 Lee Oh, that could save it.

22:12 Adam You see, I think, weirdly enough, the one thing and this is is like you were saying about his sort of lyrically and everything else like that.

22:18 Adam The one thing I would say is that I think that there is.

22:23 Adam There is an an element of of horror that is kind of like the Halloween horror.

22:32 Adam And it is, you know, oh, we'll Chuck we'll Chuck in a load of glow-in-the-dark skeletons.

22:38 Adam And we'll.

22:39 Adam You know, but it's that's fun.

22:40 Lee Yeah.

22:42 Adam And I kind of think that he might be on a I I think he might be on the right mind frame to do that.

22:49 Adam I think if he takes R-rated as, oh, let's.

22:54 Adam Put it in that they because that they go around killing people or whatever like that.

23:00 Adam And it's sort of.

23:01 Adam That don't work because that's The Addams Family.

23:03 Adam The Munsters and The Addams Family have a different vibe.

23:06 Adam Because the whole point of The Munsters is that they're a wholesome American family who just happen to be monsters and scare other people.

23:12 Adam But.

23:13 Adam Uh, I think, yeah, I think Rob Zombie might be it might be a good place for him to go.

23:20 Adam Because I think it's something I it's something he's familiar with, but also I think he might he understands the fun side of horror.

23:27 Adam Like that Halloweeny carnival party version of horror.

23:31 Lee Yeah.

23:32 Adam So fingers crossed.

23:34 Lee I absolutely agree, I think if anybody can do it, I think it's him.

23:39 Lee The problem is, I don't think anybody can do it.

23:42 Lee I think I think the problem with it is, it's one of those things that works as a comedy.

23:46 Lee Because it's a comedic lunatic idea.

23:51 Lee It's Dracula, his daughter is married to Frankenstein's monster and they've got a werewolf for a son.

23:56 Lee Like, you can't make that serious.

23:57 Lee It it just doesn't work.

23:59 Adam Yeah.

23:59 Lee Um, but but as you say.

24:01 Lee I think if anyone can keep it can make it a bit more adult possibly, but but as you say, definitely their the foreground is going to be fun for him.

24:11 Lee So I'm hoping.

24:12 Lee That yeah, you're right, he can make it into like a big scary carnival Halloween ride and not try and make a real horror movie out of it.

24:19 Lee Which it isn't is never going to be.

24:21 Adam No, I because it's weird.

24:23 Adam It's like all this sort of stuff that keeps coming up at the moment, what was it, it was like the Banana Splits.

24:29 Adam I've not seen it, but there's that there's like the Banana Splits movie that is a horror movie.

24:33 Lee Yeah.

24:34 Adam And yeah, I think that if you tried to do, I think if you tried to do The Munsters like that, is very much you might as well do Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

24:41 Adam As like.

24:42 Lee I'm trying to remake that.

24:43 Adam Yeah.

24:44 Adam But keep it to that same you you know, you can't it's actually no, I'm probably wrong there because the point is in.

24:52 Adam In I mean, we'll get into it.

24:54 Adam But mainly the point is is that all the monsters are taken seriously and remain as monsters.

25:01 Adam And I think that that is that would be the way to fuck The Munsters up.

25:07 Adam Is if like you say, if you try and make it genuinely like they fulfill their horror roles, then it might as well not be called The Munsters because that's not the point of it.

25:19 Lee Precisely.

25:19 Lee That's exactly it.

25:20 Lee Like I don't I don't see how you can put those them in a horror scenario.

25:26 Lee And not not mess with the format.

25:29 Lee But I mean.

25:31 Lee What do you think, Chris?

25:32 Lee I mean, obviously you're I think you haven't seen much of the TV show, you've only really seen The Munsters movie, is that right?

25:38 Chris Yeah.

25:39 Chris Like I did see, you know, some of the episodes when I was younger, but I'd definitely mix them up with The Addams Family.

25:46 Chris Um, until watching the film and then obviously it all comes back.

25:50 Chris Um.

25:51 Chris Yeah, how like Adam said, they are essentially a nice family.

25:57 Chris Um, although, yes, I mean, now I I can't remember who The Addams Family is.

26:02 Adam Because The Addams Family they are they are quite.

26:05 Adam I mean, The Addams Family, they are weird and macab.

26:09 Adam And deliberately so and enjoy it.

26:13 Chris Okay.

26:14 Adam Whereas The Munsters are just they're trying to be normal, aren't they, essentially.

26:18 Chris Yeah.

26:19 Chris They're trying to fit in and yeah.

26:22 Chris Um, I I mean, I'd definitely be interested to see it, I've only seen House of a 1000 Corpses from Rob Zombie.

26:28 Chris Um, and I I remember Dracula, was that one of his songs, and before that I'd only heard what zombie, so I've not heard anything else from him, so I don't know him that well.

26:39 Lee Yeah.

26:40 Adam Uh, obviously the Dracula is a Munsters reference.

26:44 Chris Yes, yeah.

26:46 Lee Yeah.

26:46 Chris Well.

26:47 Chris Yeah, it's good to try things.

26:49 Lee He is and and that's the thing, you know, like we've said.

26:52 Lee Apart from with Star Wars, that we say all these things, you can try and reboot and change him.

26:56 Lee And if it doesn't work, nobody's taking the originals away from you.

26:58 Lee So.

26:59 Chris Yeah.

26:59 Lee It it can't be bad.

27:01 Lee I I mean, there's no way I'm not going to see it, I don't care how bad the trailer or anything is, whatever happens, I will watch this movie.

27:07 Lee Um.

27:08 Adam I've got to just out of sheer interest.

27:10 Lee Yeah.

27:11 Adam Because I I've not watched I've not watched what was his last one, 31.

27:17 Lee Yeah, I've not got it.

27:18 Adam And I've I've not watched that just because of how universally everyone said it was shite.

27:23 Adam Including yourself, Lee, so I was like, no, I won't worry.

27:27 Lee It was so bad, it made me angry.

27:30 Lee Which as we know, doesn't happen very often.

27:34 Lee I can watch a terrible film and come away and either think, well, it was terrible film, but I enjoyed something about it.

27:41 Lee Or I can just come away and go, it's going to be fun to poke fun at, but that that film was so bad.

27:46 Lee It it angered me.

27:47 Lee I won't get that time back.

27:49 Adam I think it is also when it's a level of expectation from someone who's done stuff in the past and it doesn't quite.

27:55 Adam Yeah.

27:55 Lee And that's the problem with him, like when he gets it right, he gets it really right, but when he gets it wrong, it's so spectacularly bad that I just can't.

28:03 Lee And it just makes me think, are is his hits just good luck.

28:07 Lee Like.

28:09 Lee But yeah.

28:10 Lee I mean.

28:11 Chris Or is he is he trying to tread a fine line can go one way or the other?

28:15 Chris I mean, especially with something like this, he's trying to do it differently.

28:17 Adam I get that impression.

28:19 Adam I don't think he's going into these things lightly and it just me it probably is just that they miss fire.

28:24 Adam Or you, you know, sometimes you get it get it absolutely right.

28:26 Adam Sometimes you get it absolutely wrong.

28:28 Lee Yeah.

28:29 Lee Yeah.

28:30 Lee But.

28:31 Lee Anyway, good luck to your Rob.

28:32 Lee Anyway, we'll look forward to seeing what you're going to do next.

28:34 Lee Um.

28:35 Lee So.

28:37 Lee Onto this evening's meat and potatoes, as uh, and if our our uh, our complaining customer is listening.

28:41 Lee It has been another 40 minutes until we get into the main subject.

28:43 Lee Um, and I don't give a fuck.

28:44 Lee So.

28:46 Adam He didn't think the fuck drawer had found it empty.

28:52 Lee I'm not taking this review personally.

28:54 Lee Um.

28:56 Lee So on Chris's request this evening, uh, we've gone back to the Stone Cold Classic, in my opinion.

29:03 Lee Uh, 19 is it 48?

29:06 Adam Um, it's.

29:07 Adam Yeah, it's 48.

29:08 Lee Yeah, 1948, uh, Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein.

29:14 Lee Um, I know Adam and I have mentioned this a few times.

29:19 Lee It's one of those that comes up in the um, when we talk about universal sort of branching out.

29:25 Lee When they found that the series was dying and they weren't getting the numbers in and this was a way of them trying to sort of generate that revenue again.

29:32 Lee Um.

29:33 Lee But we love it as much as the original.

29:36 Lee Um.

29:36 Lee So, Chris, what did you make of it on your first viewing?

29:39 Chris Well, I don't want to blow my own trumpet, but I think I chose very wisely.

29:42 Adam Nice.

29:44 Chris So, yeah, like it really worked for me, having the element of humor with those monsters.

29:52 Chris Um, yeah, such a good synergy, I think.

29:56 Chris Um, it's what what are we watching, it was, uh, not Frankenstein's, uh, Bride of Frankenstein.

30:05 Lee Yeah.

30:06 Chris We watched before and and yeah, that worked for me in a similar sort of way.

30:08 Chris So, um, and of course.

30:10 Chris I um, I'm very happy because now I know who Abbott and Costello are, and the fact that it could be ready through our our criteria if it been horror.

30:18 Chris So it's ticked all the right boxes once again.

30:20 Chris Um.

30:22 Chris Now skipping right to the end, did I hear Vincent Price's voice?

30:29 Adam You did indeed, sir.

30:30 Chris I did.

30:31 Chris I was.

30:32 Lee Oh.

30:32 Chris I was like, oh, look, what's that come from?

30:34 Lee Yeah.

30:35 Adam Yeah.

30:35 Chris So because we've not seen the invisible man, so I'm assuming he must be the voice of the invisible man then.

30:41 Adam Nope.

30:42 Chris He's not.

30:42 Adam Okay.

30:43 Adam No.

30:44 Adam The the worrying thing is and I'll like we'll get into it, but basically Abbott and Costello had done.

30:52 Adam I think I did write it down, this is this is their 22nd film that they released.

30:56 Chris Okay.

30:57 Adam And and in total they did 36 films.

31:00 Adam They used to do like two a year.

31:03 Adam And um, but yeah, this this kind of was.

31:06 Adam This came up a point where their sort of their popularity was beginning to wane.

31:09 Chris Mm.

31:10 Adam Mostly because probably of over saturation.

31:12 Chris But yeah.

31:13 Adam Because they were yeah, they were they literally were releasing two films a year.

31:18 Adam And then when they did that, they would also re-release the back catalog.

31:23 Adam And put that in theaters as well.

31:26 Adam So you would have so as they were going, you would just building up, you'd have like ten fucking Abbott and Costello films that you could be watching.

31:34 Adam Or, you know, or by this point like 22.

31:37 Chris And they are great, but I can see that might be an over saturation.

31:40 Adam Yeah.

31:41 Adam No, I think I think it is just yeah, I think it's just too ubiquitous and everything.

31:45 Adam Were there other duos, comedy duos at the time?

31:50 Adam The well, a lot of I did see a lot of things where they said it was.

31:53 Adam Oh, I can't think of who his fucking partner was, um, but.

31:58 Adam Uh, Jerry Lewis and um.

32:00 Adam Oh, Christ.

32:01 Adam No.

32:01 Adam That's gone.

32:02 Adam It's gone.

32:03 Adam Anyway.

32:03 Adam Um, but there were other.

32:05 Chris No one has big.

32:08 Adam Well, I mean, you've had sort of you've had sort of uh like Laurel and Hardy as well, like prior to this because really Abbott and Costello were huge in the forties and fifties and or like early fifties.

32:17 Adam And they were actually the highest paid entertainers in World War Two.

32:22 Adam Like during World War Two, they were they were earning the most of anyone and like I say, they they released loads and loads of films, they released they were on TV, they did radio, they would do guest appearances on other people's shows, they were they were really everywhere.

32:37 Adam And um, and I know Chris, was it a rival you said was there.

32:44 Chris Yes.

32:45 Lee Yeah.

32:46 Adam Because do they call is it they call the aliens in that Abbott and Costello?

32:55 Chris The Neptos.

32:55 Lee Yeah.

32:55 Adam Yes.

32:56 Chris Yeah.

32:57 Adam And I thought I thought like you'd.

32:58 Chris Why why would they have chosen those as the names for this film that's, you know, a serious film and I'm like I've heard of those names, but yeah, why would the writer decide to use those?

33:08 Chris Obviously, it must be that they were very big and bigger than I realized, so I always thought I should find out who they are.

33:14 Chris Um.

33:15 Adam I again, I think weirdly weirdly enough, I think there it's one of those acts where it's it just was too late to end up being indelible.

33:28 Adam I don't think that they went into certainly not over here, I mean, I don't know, it's probably a very different thing in America where probably people are far more aware of them.

33:37 Adam But they were certainly in in terms they were an American sensation.

33:41 Adam Okay.

33:41 Adam So.

33:42 Adam It you know, the majority of their success was the states.

33:43 Adam So.

33:44 Adam I think over here they're probably not at certainly now, they're not as resonant a name as they probably still are over there.

33:53 Lee It's funny though, because I I felt watching it now that their comedy held up an awful lot better than, you know, like Laurel and Hardy and um.

34:05 Lee The Marx Brothers and that kind of like I know it's all it was, you know, it was all within a couple of decades, but their comedy I still sat on the sofa laughing out loud halfway through this.

34:15 Lee Like I thought it still worked absolutely brilliantly.

34:16 Lee And found it hilarious.

34:17 Lee And not just enough, well, you know, it's funny if you give it a pass and accept that it was 70 years ago.

34:23 Lee I I genuinely just still found it funny.

34:26 Adam Yeah.

34:27 Adam It's it's weird because I think it's I think it's very cartoon really.

34:31 Adam It's it has that sort of feeling where it's it's the same way as you watch Looney Tunes or something like that, where it's like Bugs Bunny making a side to the camera and stuff like that.

34:39 Adam Also, I mean apart from apart from let's let's face it.

34:43 Adam A a fairly shitty attitude to taking two women out, um, you know.

34:49 Adam Well, it's sort of like well, you've got two women.

34:52 Adam I'll have one.

34:53 Adam But apart from that, I don't it's also remarkably undodgy, you don't I don't think to to my mind and, you know, I'm probably I might have missed something.

35:06 Adam I don't know.

35:07 Adam But I don't think there's anything you kind of have to make allowances for, the there's not some scene where they're bloody blacked up or something stupid like that where you're like, oh, well, you know, at the time, but you're like, yeah, this is not fucking playing, is it?

35:25 Lee Yeah.

35:26 Adam Whereas yeah, I still think that weirdly enough watching it, I think it's something that you could still show during the day, not have to worry, you know, too much about your kids watching it or whatever like that.

35:45 Lee Finally enough, I was going to say, I allowed my kids to watch some of it.

35:48 Lee So.

35:49 Adam Oh.

35:49 Lee Oh yeah.

35:50 Lee So this first time they've seen yeah, so they've seen Frankenstein, I don't think they've ever mentioned him before.

35:55 Lee Really like they sort of they know of him, but yeah, I don't think they've seen him.

35:59 Lee And um, and Bella Lugosi playing Dracula, so yeah, they they were very entertained for the sort of 10 minutes.

36:04 Lee They were watching some of it.

36:09 Adam Yeah, because obviously because obviously this I was about to say, it's not it's not your first taste of Bella, but it's your first taste of Bella as Dracula.

36:19 Chris Okay.

36:20 Lee Oh, yeah, of course.

36:22 Adam And it's.

36:23 Adam Because.

36:24 Adam Because actually he only played Dracula twice.

36:26 Chris Mm.

36:27 Adam Officially.

36:27 Adam He's in.

36:29 Chris It was so iconic.

36:31 Adam Yeah.

36:31 Adam I mean.

36:32 Adam It's.

36:33 Adam It's.

36:33 Adam It's weird.

36:34 Adam Because.

36:34 Adam Because I was I was saying to Claire, I said, oh, you know, he's only he only played Dracula twice.

36:40 Adam In the original Dracula, like Universal Dracula, like 38 or whatever it is, 39.

36:46 Adam And this.

36:48 Adam And all other times he might have been I think I think he might have popped up on telly in like someone's sketch show or something like that.

36:58 Adam And even then it would probably be, oh yeah, I'm doctor at killer.

37:02 Adam So they got past the having to pay universal.

37:04 Adam Or anything even when Bella Lugosi's turned up in a cloak.

37:09 Adam Um, but it is so it's weird to watch something when you realize that they only did it twice.

37:14 Adam And it's still nearly a hundred years later.

37:19 Adam There's people still it's their default version of Dracula and that's yeah, I mean even stuff like, you know, the Count von Count in Sesame Street is Bella Lugosi.

37:28 Chris Mm.

37:28 Adam It's the widow's peak, it's the eyebrows.

37:31 Adam He's the voice.

37:32 Adam It's.

37:33 Adam Yeah.

37:33 Adam And it's still how everyone kind of well, it's still how popular culture take on Dracula.

37:41 Adam Is much in the same way as if you ask a kid to draw Frankenstein, they've got to they do it with a square head and bolts.

37:45 Adam Even though that's universal and not Mary Shelley.

37:51 Lee Again, it's.

37:52 Lee It's back to it's back to the work that Jack Pierce did.

37:54 Lee All those years ago, which has which as we say, you know, 90 years on is still the resounding image.

37:59 Lee It despite the fact we've all read the book and we've all seen all the adaptations, it's that universal makeup that we all go to default on on all of these characters.

38:06 Lee It's incredible.

38:08 Adam I did read an interesting thing where someone said, because obviously Bella Lugosi, the one thing was is that he got really type cast and would play villains and versions of Dracula and I think he played he has he played other vampires or certainly did in a couple of films and um, and someone actually said that possibly the reason that Boris Karloff didn't suffer in the same way.

38:27 Adam I mean, one, I don't think Boris Karloff was as bothered as Bella Lugosi.

38:35 Adam I think Boris Karloff was just like, well, we're working, so, you know.

38:40 Adam But because he was so heavily made up, he could then go off and do other things.

38:46 Adam Because but whereas Bella Lugosi is essentially, you know, it's he's.

38:52 Adam There's barely any makeup involved whatsoever.

38:55 Adam You know.

38:56 Adam It's just him.

38:58 Adam And so he immediately to create such an impression, unfortunately, did then mean that he wasn't going to get, you know, romantic lead.

39:06 Chris He was a natural born Dracula.

39:09 Adam Yeah, he's a natural born drack.

39:13 Adam But it's yeah, so but they um, I think and as I was saying, I think the one thing that I and this is this goes back to when I was first.

39:22 Adam When I first got into like Quentin Tarantino like with with, well, essentially with Reservoir Dogs and True Romance.

39:29 Adam Um, I remember watching a.

39:31 Adam When Pulp Fiction was coming out, they had like some it was like arena or something on the beat, and they had like a they did like a big Tarantino special.

39:39 Adam And he was talking about a lot of his influences.

39:42 Adam And one of the things that came up was Abbott and Costello meet Dracula, and he said it was he said because it taught him how to do it properly.

39:50 Adam That you don't diminish your villain, so even if your film is funny and even if the villain is funny.

39:57 Adam They still do bad things.

40:01 Adam And he was like, you know, and his example was The Monster throws Dr. Morna out of the window.

40:06 Adam You know.

40:07 Adam She is killed.

40:08 Adam There is no two ways about it.

40:09 Adam It's, you know.

40:10 Adam And thingy what's his name, Mr. McDoo will get nearly gets his throat ripped out and stuff like that.

40:17 Adam And so.

40:19 Adam Although even like when the even when the Wolfman is padding around after him in the hotel room.

40:26 Adam And it is funny.

40:27 Adam Because um will was not noticed that he is being pursued by the Wolfman.

40:31 Adam And it has an element of pantomime to it.

40:32 Adam Because obviously it would just come straight out and rip the fucking threads.

40:36 Adam But that threat is never diminished, it's never sort of like, oh no, it will rip them the shreds if it gets him.

40:42 Lee Yeah.

40:43 Adam Yeah.

40:43 Adam You know.

40:44 Lee Yeah.

40:45 Adam And.

40:46 Lee It's.

40:46 Lee Then it's it's keeping the same.

40:47 Lee You know, I made a note as well, the transformation and the makeup and everything.

40:52 Lee Exactly the same as they are in The Wolfman, they don't like ham it up or go for a, well, you know, we'll take the edge off and make it slightly less scary as this is a comedy audience.

41:00 Lee They just gave us what they got with Universal.

41:02 Lee 100%.

41:05 Chris Yes.

41:06 Adam Yeah.

41:07 Adam And it's.

41:08 Adam It's interesting because I like we're talking about Rob Zombie.

41:10 Adam And trying to combine two different genres, like it could fail miserably.

41:15 Adam You'd think it's interesting that that worked so well keeping them exactly as they are.

41:21 Adam But.

41:22 Adam Obviously, it doesn't unfold exactly the same.

41:24 Adam But yeah, it's.

41:25 Adam It's funny how it does work so well.

41:28 Adam And I think actually and the weird thing is is I think that it's um there's a certain element like playful element to Dracula anyway.

41:43 Chris Mm.

41:44 Adam So I think it doesn't he doesn't get diminished by actually having conversations with them and everything.

41:49 Chris Does he sort of likes to do mind tricks.

41:53 Adam Yeah, he plays with the with them a bit.

41:55 Adam Yeah.

41:56 Adam And so that kind of that kind of still works and and like likely was saying with the you know, not only did the transformations and the makeup are not only are they same, but.

42:10 Adam You actually get quite a good bit of monster for your money with this.

42:14 Chris Yeah, absolutely.

42:16 Adam It's not just it's not just um not just been stuck in a yeah.

42:23 Adam Because I think.

42:24 Adam It's like within within the first like five minutes you see the Wolfman.

42:27 Chris Mm.

42:28 Adam And there's something very satisfying about that, especially if you were.

42:32 Adam You know, if you were going to see it because you were a horror fan, not necessarily an Abbott and Costello fan.

42:37 Chris Mm.

42:39 Adam You know, I think you wouldn't feel cheated.

42:41 Adam No.

42:42 Adam Exactly, I don't think.

42:44 Adam And because there's.

42:46 Adam There does seem to be a weird basically it's not part of.

42:51 Adam Universal Canon, you know, it's not part of the overall story.

42:55 Adam But there seems to have been a lot of grey area about that at the time.

43:01 Adam I don't think anyone.

43:02 Adam I don't think any of the people at Universal were one way or the other with it.

43:09 Adam So because apparently apparently it was originally it didn't even have Abbott and Costello in the title.

43:16 Adam They only did that so that people were in a way, which I think again was being fair.

43:22 Adam Is they did it so that people wouldn't go to it.

43:25 Adam Expecting like just a straight horror film.

43:28 Adam Um, but originally it was called um, The Brain of Frankenstein.

43:34 Adam Which immediately kind of puts it in that Frankenstein lineage because you've got like son of, Bride of, Ghost of, House of.

43:43 Adam And so.

43:44 Adam Yeah, so there seems to have been possibly at the time that they were like this is our this is us wrapping up the universal monsters.

43:54 Chris Yeah.

43:55 Adam Because and again, it's a weird one because I think it was just.

44:00 Adam Both both Abbott and Costello and the universal monsters were both in a popularity decline, but this really rejuvenated it.

44:10 Adam Certainly sort of like this film was a big success and then I think they tried it again and I don't you know.

44:17 Adam There's reasons why we've probably not pursued and seen any of the others.

44:22 Adam Is because they're not quite up to the standard.

44:24 Adam But yeah.

44:25 Adam And then obviously the thing was.

44:26 Adam Is in terms of universal stuff, Boris Karloff then obviously goes on and does the mummy and things like that, so he becomes Universal's A star, and even down to the fact that like you get um, like Lugosi's in the Wolfman, but he's it's like a character part.

44:46 Adam It's not particularly, you know, he's not he's not a starring role, it's not he has what two minutes of screen time maybe.

44:51 Chris Is it good, I'd say, it's a good choice for the character, for the role, but.

44:53 Adam Oh yeah, you know, it's just well, this is the thing.

44:56 Adam Is I think, you know, he he was sort of I think he was just pokering along and he just was getting less and less work, and partially, I think it was partially, I think it was just people were like, well, we don't want we don't want a Dracula vibe for this.

45:08 Adam So we won't hire Dracula and it's like he's not Dracula, he's you know.

45:13 Adam You know, but you can sort of you can sort of understand it.

45:16 Adam In terms of, you know, especially it's a very cut throat, you know, movies is and always has been a very sort of cut throat sort of a fuck you sort of a industry anyway.

45:32 Adam And as soon as you're not in favor or you're not getting the rolls or whatever like that, you you you tend to get neglected.

45:41 Chris Well, I suppose there's there's a lot of money involved and a lot of pressure, a lot of people and yeah.

45:45 Chris So you all want what you're doing to be a success.

45:49 Lee Yeah, and like he.

45:50 Lee Like you said with the like as as the opposite with with Frankenstein's monster.

45:55 Lee You know, um, his portrayal of Dracula was fantastic, but it's his face and it's his voice.

46:01 Lee So no matter what you put him in, you're going to see that as Dracula in that character.

46:06 Lee Whereas.

46:06 Lee You say.

46:07 Lee Um, uh, the Frankenstein's monster.

46:08 Lee Really heavy makeup, as you say, he has maybe five or six lines.

46:12 Lee In that whole like so little dialogue, get away with it, and then you could just put him in the next thing and it'd be fine.

46:17 Lee You could just move from that to the ghoul to the mummy.

46:18 Lee Again, he's completely wrapped up in the mummy.

46:19 Lee Although he does the you get to see him as.

46:21 Adam As Karis, yeah.

46:22 Lee Um, uh, anyway.

46:24 Lee Um, uh, but yeah.

46:24 Lee So you get.

46:25 Lee So you get to see him in those dual roles, but again, you can make him up and just you don't know who he is and I think that was the problem with um with Lugosi.

46:33 Lee Was that character was so he was so ingrained with that character.

46:37 Lee It was just hard to move him away from anything.

46:41 Adam Yeah.

46:42 Adam And even even in terms of his vocal delivery, you know, that was just how he spoke.

46:47 Adam He wasn't doing Dracula.

46:48 Chris Yeah.

46:49 Adam That was just how he spoke.

46:50 Adam So again, if he was playing, if he was doing anything else.

46:54 Adam I mean, not to say that he couldn't do other voices possibly or could, you know.

46:58 Adam Modify or whatever like that, but I think the expectation would be that oh.

47:03 Adam Yeah, we we hire him if we want Dracula, and then as I say, ironically, there's only twice that he actually plays the character.

47:09 Chris Yeah.

47:10 Adam Um, and um.

47:12 Adam Yeah, when he when he died, he was buried in his Dracula cape.

47:16 Adam Uh on the suggestion of his son.

47:18 Chris Mm.

47:19 Adam It was like, oh, you think that would want to be buried in his cave.

47:23 Adam And yes.

47:23 Adam He was.

47:24 Chris So that's interesting.

47:25 Chris I was going to say, um, as you said, he was typecast as Dracula.

47:27 Chris Um, and so he was happy about that or was happy about it to start with, but then.

47:33 Adam I think I think he was happy with the fact that obviously it got him work.

47:36 Adam But I think also it it wasn't so much that it got him work but it was what it cut off because basically especially once because obviously Dracula came out, it was an insane fucking hit.

47:46 Chris Once once you've said no, you've turned something down.

47:47 Chris You you're not a team player.

47:52 Adam Yeah.

47:53 Adam But then interestingly enough, what happened was is that then Universal was like, all right, so horror's the thing, right, so we've done Dracula, next one on the list, we obviously do Frankenstein.

48:04 Adam And Bella Lugosi was offered the part of the monster, but he didn't he didn't fancy doing something that was made up.

48:11 Adam And didn't um, I can't remember, he doesn't have any lines in the first one, does he?

48:16 Adam It's Bride of Frankenstein very first speaks.

48:18 Adam So again, he was just like, oh, what what sort of a part is this?

48:21 Adam You know, he's like.

48:22 Adam Oh, no one will know it's me.

48:23 Adam And I'll be under makeup.

48:24 Adam I don't have any lines.

48:25 Adam What's the point.

48:26 Adam And then obviously Boris Karloff did it.

48:29 Adam Frankenstein was an even bigger fucking hit.

48:32 Adam And Boris Karloff started getting more phone calls than Bella Lugosi say, but also they they actually, I mean, they did some they even did some films together.

48:39 Adam They did um what is it, The Invisible Ray and Black Cat.

48:41 Adam One of the two Black Cats that Bella Lugosi did actually.

48:44 Adam One with Carloff and one not.

48:46 Adam Um, and.

48:47 Adam Yeah, so he did he appeared in um, he appeared with Karloff in a few films.

48:53 Adam But I think Karloff was just doing better.

48:56 Adam And also.

48:57 Adam I think that there was maybe Karloff had a better range.

49:00 Chris Mm.

49:01 Adam But also.

49:02 Adam I don't know if Lugosi was just given the chance necessarily.

49:06 Adam But there was there was a distinct that was quite that was quite the tragedy of it.

49:10 Adam It's by the time because because obviously Karloff sort of like did.

49:14 Adam Like the first three and was like, no.

49:16 Adam I don't want to do it anymore.

49:17 Adam And then eventually.

49:18 Adam Bella Lugosi ended up playing the monster.

49:20 Adam And ironically, had all his lines cut.

49:23 Adam So.

49:24 Adam It was like, you know, so he almost ended up sort of back to.

49:26 Adam The proposition that at the time he was like, no, I don't need this.

49:31 Adam Yeah, and actually, I mean, it might have been.

49:33 Adam I mean, who knows, I mean, it might have, you know, so much is bound up in the performances and how these things work out.

49:40 Adam Who knows, Frankenstein might not have been a hit with with Lugosi is the monster.

49:44 Adam But it probably would have been.

49:47 Adam And.

49:48 Adam Yeah.

49:49 Adam And then obviously the thing was.

49:50 Adam Is in terms of universal stuff, Boris Karloff then obviously goes on and does the mummy and things like that, so he becomes Universal's A star.

49:58 Adam And even down to the fact that like you get um, like Lugosi's in the Wolfman, but he's it's like a character part.

50:05 Adam It's not particularly, you know, he's not a starring role.

50:08 Adam He's not he has what.

50:09 Adam Two minutes of screen time.

50:10 Lee Maybe.

50:11 Adam Yeah.

50:11 Lee You know.

50:12 Adam Well.

50:12 Adam This is.

50:13 Adam This is the thing.

50:14 Adam Is I think, you know, he he was sort of I think he was just pokering along and he just was getting less and less work.

50:20 Adam And partially, I think it was partially, I think it was just people were like, well, we don't want we don't want a Dracula vibe for this, so we won't hire Dracula.

50:29 Adam And it's like he's not Dracula.

50:29 Adam He's just.

50:30 Adam You know.

50:31 Adam It's not Dracula, he's just how he spoke.

50:34 Adam And actually, weirdly enough.

50:34 Adam I think the the sort of like the Ed Wood element, that almost feels that almost feels like, oh, I mean, he's on a different.

50:43 Adam Certainly on a different success level.

50:46 Adam Regardless of anything else.

50:48 Adam But that feels a bit like where you've got um, like you get with Quentin Tarantino where it's like, oh, you know.

50:56 Adam He revives John Travolta's career.

50:58 Chris Mm.

50:59 Adam You know, like Pulp Fiction comes out and suddenly John Travolta is actually a bankable name in cinema for the first time in like 15 years or whatever it is.

51:06 Adam And I think similarly, weirdly enough, you know, if if the.

51:09 Adam Uh, if the Ed Wood films had been huge, it would have been like a final hurrah for Lugosi of actually sort of like, yeah, I'm, you know.

51:20 Lee I am.

51:20 Lee This.

51:21 Lee This is the thing.

51:22 Adam You know, I am the I am the ostensible star in these in these films.

51:26 Adam And then obviously the thing was is in terms of universal stuff, Boris Karloff then obviously goes on and does the mummy and things like that.

51:34 Adam So he becomes Universal's A star.

51:35 Adam And even down to the fact that like you get um, like Lugosi's in the Wolfman, but he's it's like a character part, it's not particularly, you know.

51:45 Adam He's not a starring role, it's not he has what.

51:49 Adam Two minutes of screen time.

51:50 Lee Maybe.

51:51 Adam Yeah.

51:52 Lee Excellent.

51:53 Lee Right, thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

51:55 Lee Hope you enjoyed it.

51:57 Lee Uh, and we will see you all next week, we'll be back for Mos Eisley Happy Hour.

52:02 Lee When we'll be covering, uh, the Fulsa Wekins.

52:05 Adam Mm, yeah.

52:07 Lee Yeah.

52:07 Adam Oh.

52:07 Lee I've already skipped ahead.

52:08 Lee I've.

52:09 Lee Yeah, I've watched the Star Wars now.

52:11 Lee I've done all this.

52:12 Adam We've watched the Star Wars film.

52:13 Adam Okay.

52:15 Lee You go.

52:16 Lee Um, yeah.

52:17 Lee And then the following week, uh, all things working well.

52:18 Lee We'll be back, uh, the three of us and Alex to discuss Jaws.

52:21 Lee So.

52:22 Lee Thanks.