Muppets Dracula
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Welcome To Horror Presents: “The Muppet’s Francis Ford Coppola’s Bram Stoker’s Dracula”. It’s Christmas, and the Welcome To Horror team have decided to celebrate by honouring one of the finest Christmas movies of all time, The Muppet Christmas Carol, but with a horror twist. Our premise is to take “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” and recast it with the Muppets! We’re keeping Gary Oldman as our token human, but the rest of the cast are up for grabs! Join Lee, Chris, Adam and Lady Jennifer for our jolly Christmas Party of Gothic Horror and Muppet Mania.
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- Keanu Reeves' portrayal of Jonathan Harker's aging
My favorite thing here that actually, you know, just on the Bram Stoker's Dracula thing is watching it because similar sort of thing, Claire had never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula, she's a Muppets fan and obviously she suggested it and I'd sort of like thought, well, Dracula will be the one because there's enough characters to go around. If you did like the Shining, well that's only three Muppets and one of them's got to be a real actor, you know, so. … Yes, exactly. But so, you know, it seemed like it had a big enough cast and everything else like that. So we watched it with a view to Claire had never seen it and also, you know, you can just go through and start casting as you go, something. Um, but the one thing I'd forgotten about with Bram Stoker's Dracula is the fact that Jonathan Harker as played by Keanu Reeves has to age prematurely. And it's like, Keanu Reeves hasn't aged in the last fucking 30 years. And strangely enough, when he was a young whippersnapper, putting talcum powder on his luscious hair does not in any way shape or form age him.
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Lee Brave.
Lee Good evening and welcome to horror. I'm Lee.
Chris I'm Chris.
Adam I'm Adam.
Jennifer I'm Jennifer!
Unknown Yay!
Chris Why is Adam on the side? Is that just me?
Lee Yeah, no, Adam's playing up and he's going. I'll be honest, you're all on the side at the moment.
Chris You're on the side.
Lee So, we are here for our Christmas staff party episode as always that we do every year, but this year we're doing something very new.
Lee a fantastic suggestion from Claire, so just to remind everyone in case you didn't hear the end of the last episode. This evening, in the style of Muppet's Christmas Carol, we are going to be recasting Dracula with Muppets.
Lee So, like Muppet's Christmas Carol, our main character will still be Gary Oldman, but we will be doing Bram Stoker's Dracula and we're each have come up with a list of which characters we would replace with which Muppet.
Chris Now, is Claire trolling me because she knows I've never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula and I basically only know who Kermit and Miss Piggy is.
Lee Did we not cover this as an episode? I thought we did Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Adam We've never done Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Chris We've never done it. We've done lots of Draculas but never the old Bram Stoker.
Jennifer I think Lee refuses to watch it.
Chris Yes, it's not his favorite. However, it turns out it's one of my favorites having now watched it.
Lee Oh, have you watched it?
Jennifer Oh, he went to me.
Chris Oh, I thought I got at least watch this and try and watch some Muppets as well, you know.
Chris Well, I should know Muppets, but there you go.
Adam Well, this was a similar thing because Claire had suggested the Muppets thing and I was kind of like, well, we need to find a film that's got a big enough cast and you know, is reasonably well.
Chris An interesting enough cast to be able to place each of the characters.
Chris As I was going through it, I was like, this is actually a seriously great idea and I was loving it.
Chris But I also feel like I need about a year of studying both to fully appreciate it, but we'll see.
Adam Well,
Chris I've actually come up with two versions as well.
Lee Oh, you went around?
Chris I'm not messing around here. I've I've put some effort in.
Lee You have.
Chris well, yeah, yeah. But you can see which one you like the most.
Jennifer The one, the X-rated version.
Chris Well, where I've called it the hyper-modern comedic version.
Chris Versus the serious Muppet version.
Lee See now you say Chris that you've put some serious effort in.
Lee I would like to point out for the listeners because it might there might be a giggle or two.
Lee every time I give my recommendation, I'm going to share my screen and share an image because I spent somewhere in the region of three hours today on AI getting it to recreate each of the characters as a Muppet.
Lee And have even, I'll say I'll say that for later. I'll say, but yes, but I've done that and I will share them with Adam.
Lee So, and I'll put them on our socials.
Adam Oh, good.
Chris No one can argue your your diligence.
Adam For a good cause.
Chris But which AI have you incorporated?
Lee Oh, so I used two different ones.
Lee The first one I used brought back pretty much like a very similar image for both.
Lee but some of them were brilliant. So I kept some of them, then I went and used a different AI.
Lee where you can add photos as well. So I would add a character, a photo of the character, a photo of the Muppet and then say, I want this Muppet as this character.
Lee And it did it.
Lee I laughed my absolute cock off for about an hour and a half today.
Lee I was in absolute bits just sitting in the house on my own.
Lee Laughing at these images.
Chris So Lee has actually put some serious effort into this one.
Chris No one can take that away from him except possibly Jennifer sitting to his left or right.
Jennifer No, no, I put minimal effort into this, but it sounded so much fun. I was like, I need to come out of retirement to get involved.
Jennifer But no, no, I am.
Adam It's like, it's Godfather III, we've pulled her right back in.
Jennifer Yeah, that's it.
Lee I mean, just to discuss why we haven't covered it.
Lee I think my issue with it is.
Jennifer You refused.
Lee I didn't refuse. I definitely wouldn't have refused.
Jennifer You definitely voted it before.
Lee I think you might have come up with some and I went with one of your other options.
Lee The reason is, I I think it's an awful film because it it it's just the casting.
Lee But it's it's an amazing cast. Everybody in it is brilliant as an actor.
Lee They are all.
Chris Well, well, surely, surely you cannot apply that to Mr. Reeves.
Chris Who I love he's amazing, he's definitely not a good actor.
Adam It's
Adam Yeah, but he is a good person.
Chris He's about as good as me as an actor.
Adam Quite frankly, having seen the number of really good actors who have been outed in various ways of, you know,
Adam horrible people and horrible events and so on and so forth, I'm going to give Keanu a break on this one.
Adam It's like, actually you're a decent human being and that seems to be a thing in Hollywood than a good actor.
Chris He gets a bit better throughout because he's in it a lot less.
Lee I think he's one of those, he's like.
Lee If you cast him in the right film, look at like John Wick and stuff, he is incredible.
Jennifer The same film four times, yeah, yeah.
Lee Yeah, all right, yeah, he is.
Chris I mean, I actually like, I think he's great in the Matrix as well.
Lee He works.
Jennifer Yeah, as a robot.
Adam Yeah.
Adam My
Adam My favorite thing here that actually, you know, just on the Bram Stoker's Dracula thing is watching it because similar sort of thing, Claire had never seen Bram Stoker's Dracula, she's a Muppets fan and obviously she suggested it and I'd sort of like thought, well, Dracula will be the one because there's enough characters to go around.
Adam If you did like the Shining, well that's only three Muppets and one of them's got to be a real actor, you know, so.
Chris A lot of them play the blood, but yeah.
Adam Yes, exactly.
Adam But so, you know, it seemed like it had a big enough cast and everything else like that.
Adam So we watched it with a view to Claire had never seen it and also, you know, you can just go through and start casting as you go, something.
Adam but the one thing I'd forgotten about with Bram Stoker's Dracula is the fact that Jonathan Harker as played by Keanu Reeves has to age prematurely.
Adam And it's like, Keanu Reeves hasn't aged in the last fucking 30 years.
Adam And strangely enough, when he was a young whippersnapper, putting talcum powder on his luscious hair does not in any way shape or form age him.
Adam He just looks like he's had an accident at the a club, you know.
Lee It's such a bad movie.
Lee And it's funny because previous guest on the show Chris Jones whenever we have this discussion, always argues it and he's like, no, no, it's supposed to be a comedy.
Lee It's supposed to and I was like, no, it isn't.
Lee It's just awful.
Adam I I think actually the worst and the worst thing is, is it is very much.
Adam Year zero for modern sexy Dracula.
Adam And that pains me to have.
Adam The one horror film that's got, well, the one horror film I can think of that's got Gary Oldman in it isn't actually all that cop.
Adam And it's Dracula, you know, it's.
Lee I know.
Lee How do you get it wrong?
Adam Actually, I'll tell you what.
Chris But is it, wait, but is it that sexy?
Adam It's just.
Adam Well, they decided to give it a.
Chris I mean, obviously start.
Chris A few, a few moments, really.
Lee Yeah.
Chris But on the whole, it's not what I would think of as that sexy.
Chris I mean, basically look, Keanu Reeves gets pleasured, that's most of his scenes, it seems, he's getting pleasured, right?
Chris So sure, that side of it.
Chris But the rest of it is not that.
Adam I I love the fact that the Victoriana has has is seeped into you, Chris.
Adam That it's like, this man was pleasured.
Adam Couple of weeks back, it'd been like, Keanu's got gets noshed.
Adam Right, so, so let's get stuck in.
Adam So for anybody who missed what we were doing this week and would like to go and do their own very quickly, pause this, go and write some down and come back.
Adam Adam, would you like to list the characters that we will be recasting with Muppets, please?
Adam So, obviously, as we said, so this is the Muppets Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Adam which is actually technically the Muppets Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Adam there's a lot of a lot of apostrophes in there.
Adam but basically Dracula will be played by Sir Gary Oldman.
Adam He's not been knighted, but he is in my head.
Lee Yeah, and mine.
Adam I'll call him sir because he has earned the title.
Adam And yeah, so Gary Oldman will still be playing Dracula.
Adam and then we're recasting the essential characters.
Adam So we have Jonathan Harker, who is the state agent who visits Dracula at his castle.
Adam Mina Murray, his fiance.
Adam Lucy Westenra, her dirty mate.
Adam and then her three suitors.
Adam Lord Arthur Holmwood, Dr. Jack Seward, and Quincy P. Morris.
Adam there is also Renfield, who used to work at Jonathan's company but has gone Doolali and is enthralled to Dracula.
Adam Professor Abraham Van Helsing, who is brought in to deal with the terrible curse of the of the vampire, and then there's also Dracula's Brides and the crew of the Demeter.
Adam So, you know, there but they're they're sort of that that's more just a sort of a generic thing.
Adam So essentially, yes, so it's Jonathan Harker, Mina Murray, Lucy, Arthur Holmwood, Dr. Seward, Quincy Morris, Renfield, Van Helsing.
Adam Are the characters that we are recasting.
Adam And obviously there's plenty of moments where rats walk across the go across the cellar.
Adam So there'll be plenty of bits for the rats to appear in Muppets Treasure Island to do their thing.
Lee Yes.
Lee Nice.
Chris And is Anthony Hopkins?
Chris I did not know that.
Adam Yes.
Jennifer Sir, Anthony Hopkins.
Chris Not not necessarily.
Chris Well, yeah, yeah.
Chris I don't know I'd give him a sir from this film.
Jennifer He's good.
Lee He's not.
Chris He's good.
Lee You really want a sir from this film.
Adam I I he is he's phoning it in.
Lee Yeah.
Adam He really is.
Adam Because I was watching it, I was going, I can already think of three other people who play this better.
Chris No.
Adam Because they've given Van Helsing a bit more of his sort of you know, eccentric humor that is in the book.
Adam but Hopkins is playing it like a bleeding wet fish in this.
Chris Stop flopping around.
Adam Yeah.
Adam I also, because I get that and weirdly enough, this is be the last thing about Bram Stoker's Dracula, but I get the idea that obviously so Mina is the reincarnation of Elizabeth that who is Dracula's bride who dies.
Chris I did like that backstory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adam But why the fuck is the priest also played by Anthony Hopkins?
Adam That adds fuck all.
Adam And just seems a bit shit.
Lee This whole film is just a series of mistakes.
Jennifer It saved them on an extra actor.
Adam That's true.
Chris I thought why is it it feels a bit like it's just seen stitched together with seen rather than a total sort of following thread, but anyway. I I still loved it.
Adam I mean the book is what's the term for it? epistolary as in it's made up of letters and documents and everything else like that.
Chris Yeah, well, okay.
Adam So I I suppose that could kind of come out of it.
Chris decided to go with that. Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Right, Adam, if you would like to lead us in.
Lee And then call each of us out for our our choices.
Adam Okay, so.
Adam We have we have Jonathan Harker.
Adam So personally, I went with.
Adam It seemed obvious that that would be Kermit to me.
Adam But so Chris, what what what say you, sir?
Chris I also thought that was an obvious Kermit.
Chris Earnest, observant, a little naive.
Chris His decency makes Oldman's Dracula feel even more predatory.
Chris He asked the right questions too late every time.
Adam Oh.
Adam Nice.
Adam Mr. Lee and and are you and Lady Jennifer doing separate?
Lee Oh, we've done separate.
Chris Oh, separate.
Adam In which case, sorry, I should have gone ladies first.
Adam Lady Jennifer.
Jennifer Thank you.
Jennifer well, so my initial thought was obviously Kermit because that would work.
Jennifer I was like, sorry, Keanu is no Kermit.
Jennifer So, I went Cookie Monster.
Jennifer Hasn't got a clue what's going on, generally just interested in one thing, you know, thought that was more appropriate.
Chris What what did Adam say earlier?
Chris Getting noshed.
Jennifer Yeah, exactly.
Lee That's it.
Jennifer It's noshing the cookies, that's all that was going on there.
Jennifer So, yes.
Adam And and what say you, Mr. Lee?
Lee so I have got this one, which I'm hopefully sharing with you now.
Lee Can you see that?
Chris Oh.
Lee I have gone with Beaker.
Lee he would give the same performance as Keanu Reeves, guys.
Chris That is, that is.
Jennifer Formless, yeah.
Adam Oh, beautiful.
Lee Oh.
Lee Yeah.
Lee It's it just for some reason, as soon as you said it, I just immediately went well, it's Beaker, it can't be anyone.
Lee Because he's he would just be.
Adam especially especially as he's being pleasured by the brides, you know, that's that's quite something, isn't it?
Adam Yeah, if he was to be there.
Adam Can I can I also just say that that that image has reminded me that I'm just going to say this this episode has to be dedicated to our fallen friend, Mr. Wesley Smith.
Adam Because quite frankly, he'd have been fucking in for this and also, he'd have done us a brilliant poster.
Chris Absolutely.
Adam So.
Adam Also, as soon as he took his glasses off, bless him, that was his best impression of Beaker.
Lee yeah, I would like to say, I'm not taking work away from anyone with this AI.
Lee If I hadn't been doing this, I wouldn't have paid somebody, I would have just sat on the sofa reading a book and drinking tea, so.
Chris That is a good job though, that that is a Beaker Keanu Reeves.
Lee Yeah.
Lee It's.
Adam Beaker Reeves.
Adam Imagine that was his nickname at school.
Chris What were you saying Lee? Sat on the sofa doing what?
Lee I'd have been sat on the sofa drinking tea and reading a book. I wouldn't have been doing anything productive.
Lee I certainly wouldn't have been paying someone to do this artwork, so.
Adam Would you would you've been pleasuring?
Lee I mean, at some point maybe, who knows, I mean, it's a Sunday.
Adam Depends on how good the book is, I suppose.
Lee Oh.
Jennifer Oh, or the anacne.
Lee No, it wouldn't be an acne, yeah.
Chris Can I follow up with my alternate?
Adam Oh, yes.
Lee Oh, yes.
Chris You got.
Chris I got for Animal.
Chris Sent as an assistant by mistake.
Chris Cannot read.
Chris Cannot write.
Chris Communicates via screaming, drumming and intense eye contact.
Chris Dracula generally unnerved, legal documents are eaten.
Jennifer Good ending.
Lee Nice.
Lee I like that.
Adam I I'd love to.
Adam I I have to I have to say there's because I well, I'll we'll come to it.
Adam I because I did I thought I think I know where where I had Animal and Beaker peg for this one.
Lee Oh, obvious.
Adam There we go, right, so.
Adam So that's Jonathan Harker.
Adam So next up is Mina Murray.
Adam Now, continuing obviously where it was Kermit, I obviously went with Miss Piggy.
Adam because it just seemed like not only that, but also just.
Adam I can't begin to say how much I suspect Gary Oldman would enjoy romancing Miss Piggy, much in the same way that do you know what I mean, all all the best guest guest stars on the Muppet show were always the ones who were flirting with Miss Piggy, not the ones who.
Adam You know.
Adam And I just really feel that, you know, and and let's face it, it's there are there are.
Adam There are lady Muppets but truly there is only one ultimate lady Muppet.
Adam And so you've got to give her the female lead of the film, I think so personally I went with Miss Piggy.
Adam So, Jennifer, what say you, sir?
Chris I'm starting to think this might get us on a list saying that Gary Oldman would enjoy flirting with Miss Piggy.
Chris But I absolutely agree.
Chris That is who I would choose for Mina.
Chris Devoted, intelligent, barely restrained fury.
Chris She's not passive, she is love sharpened into a blade.
Adam Nice.
Lee Nice.
Jennifer Yeah.
Jennifer No, I again, first of all, put down Miss Piggy, but I was like, no.
Jennifer We know a rider, sorry, a bit in zipped in this, a bit floaty around.
Jennifer So I went with Camilla, who I didn't even know that was her name.
Adam Is that the chicken?
Jennifer It's the big eye one.
Jennifer I think, is it?
Jennifer Or was it a chicken?
Jennifer I can't remember now.
Jennifer It's the only other woman I could find.
Adam Janice?
Jennifer On the Muppets.
Jennifer I don't know who Janice is.
Adam Not Janice the bass player from the Electric Mayhem Band.
Jennifer No, not her.
Jennifer No, I wrote down Camilla.
Adam okay.
Jennifer Just someone that was a bit bland.
Jennifer No, you know what, that was fair.
Jennifer Sorry, you know, you've done a lot of good things since.
Adam Don't worry, I'm don't worry, I'm about.
Chris She's she's the chicken apparently.
Adam Yeah, Camilla's Camilla's Gonzo's chicken bride, yeah.
Jennifer Oh, a bit like.
Adam I can sort of see that actually, yes.
Jennifer Okay.
Jennifer And then Lee?
Lee Okay, so if Winona was upset with her, it's going to get worse.
Lee
Chris What what's Lee got?
Lee For Mina Murray, I have gone with Fozzie Bear in drag.
Lee It's it's a large role.
Adam I love the fact that's he was out of.
Lee What's that?
Jennifer It's a good hustle.
Lee It is.
Lee I wanted someone with presence who was going to bring the character to life.
Lee Yeah, I'm doing a it does look a bit like I'm gesturing for boobs, but I yeah, I like.
Lee Someone who needs to be an important role in the film.
Lee I mean, and and you can't not have Fozzie Bear as an important character in the film.
Lee So therefore I have gone with that.
Jennifer Fair.
Chris He brings some color to an otherwise very drab looking but impressive scene.
Adam Again, I I think that Gary Oldman would have plenty of fun romancing Fozzie Bear and Camilla the Chicken as well as as well as Miss Piggy, so.
Lee Once I'd seen the picture, in my mind, all I kept hearing was Fozzie Bear's voice going, but take me away from all this death.
Lee And then I I kept why didn't you take me away from all this death?
Adam By the way, on the subject of the Muppets doing the Shining, obviously Fozzie would play Danny.
Adam Because he's got someone who lives in his finger in Muppets Treasure Island.
Adam So it would sort of follow on that just as a little offside there, I have to mention it, so yes.
Chris My alternate here.
Adam Oh, yes.
Chris Oh.
Chris I was going for Gonzo.
Chris Gender curious.
Chris Victorian chaos poet.
Chris In love with Jonathan in theory.
Chris Dracula in practice and danger in general.
Chris Treats the entire situation as an immersive art project.
Adam Well, funnily enough, this was something that Claire said, she she said she wished that we'd decided who was going to play.
Adam Who was going to be played by a human, so that Gonzo could have been Dracula because it would have just been great when his shadow is walking around.
Lee Yeah, yeah, you could see the yeah.
Adam So clearly.
Chris Definitely.
Adam Right, so.
Adam Next up and this this is an interesting one.
Adam So we've got Lucy West Endra.
Adam Obviously played by Sadie Frost in the film.
Adam And and this is a because again, I was like.
Adam Oh, do we go with Janice from the Electric Mayhem Band because she was one of the only lady Muppets that I could think of.
Adam and then Claire came up with Rizzo.
Adam Because she felt he was the only one who had the same matched the same energy that Sadie Frost brings to Lucy of like this sort of crazy scaty bastard.
Chris Lucy is a bit scaty, I'll give her that.
Adam Yeah.
Adam So I thought again, we're we're talking so obviously it'd be Rizzo basically Rizzo in drag is his Lucy from on my version.
Adam So, Chris, who do you have?
Chris Well, I went.
Chris For Janice, soft-voiced, drifting presents.
Chris A sweetness that curdles beautifully into tragedy, her slow fading feels dreamlike rather than comic.
Chris A fragile candle in the fog.
Lee Oh.
Lee Nice.
Adam Very very beautimus.
Adam Lady Jennifer?
Jennifer are we on to Lucy?
Lee Yes.
Adam Lucy, yeah.
Jennifer Yeah, so, you know, yeah, so Miss Piggy, because again, I feel like this is where Miss Piggy should have been.
Jennifer Because this this role is the whole.
Jennifer Like nymph fat kind of, isn't it?
Chris She's got the energy.
Adam She have the energy and she she would also be happily battling off three hunters.
Jennifer Three.
Chris Three suitors.
Adam Yeah.
Jennifer Which I think really.
Jennifer Grace Miss Piggy.
Lee I went with exactly the same.
Jennifer Yeah.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Miss Piggy.
Chris Oh, let's.
Chris Let's see your your piggy.
Lee
Chris Oh, yes.
Chris Amazing.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Exactly the same reasons.
Lee Really, yeah.
Lee I was like, Lucy is in the you know, is the sex crazed one with all the boyfriends and Miss Piggy is always the most sexually like, not sexualized.
Lee But yeah, she's the most sexually active of the Muppets, I would say.
Lee So yeah, it seemed only right to put her in that role.
Chris On my first viewing, appreciating the scene where they start looking through the book together, I was like, I did not expect to see them kind of giggling about different positions in this film.
Adam It's.
Adam I'd forgotten because because I I had I had it stored on the fucking digital box from when Film 4 showed it.
Adam On we watched it on I think like exactly the same date I recorded it last fucking December.
Lee Wow.
Adam and it starts off and it was like, you know, please bear in mind that there is this is a highly charged erotic film with.
Lee I was like.
Adam Is it?
Chris Is it?
Adam You know, and it's sort of like.
Adam I mean, there's there's yeah, there's there's boobs, but then that's that's it's an erotic.
Chris Is that the Ghostbusters scene with Keanu Reeves this time?
Chris You know.
Adam Yeah.
Chris Sure.
Chris But it's a little bit dreamlike, but then they showed all those pictorial versions of
Adam Yeah, I mean there is.
Chris The doggy position.
Chris I was like, oh, okay.
Chris This is.
Adam There is erotic there.
Adam Isn't it?
Adam Well, I mean that.
Adam That would obviously be Ralph.
Adam In the Muppets version, wouldn't it?
Adam So it just be a picture of Ralph.
Adam Oh my God, I've now suddenly just in my head a Karma Sutra of Muppets.
Adam I don't need to think about that.
Lee Thankly Lee.
Jennifer Your AI.
Adam Do not.
Chris It's got to be it's got to be Gonzo doing his thing there somewhere.
Adam Naughty.
Adam Hell.
Lee So what was your second one for this one, Chris?
Chris Oh, yes.
Chris Oh, right, so Lucy.
Chris Lucy.
Chris Sam the Eagle, deeply repressed.
Chris Accidentally the most erotic presence in the film.
Chris Slowly discovers vampirism is freeing, confusing, and frankly a relief.
Chris Still insists, it's deeply improper.
Jennifer Fair.
Jennifer I went with Beaker for this one.
Jennifer Because kind of like, you know, whatever.
Jennifer Just saying.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Yes, Adam.
Lee You hit the nail on the head for this one.
Lee I did go with the reporter.
Chris Oh.
Adam
Lee
Lee Just because.
Lee Again, it it he's the main character in the majority of them, so when they do these weird spin-offs, they like to make bigger characters of some of the other.
Lee Well, yeah, so I thought putting him in a smaller role would be
Lee Yeah.
Lee It's the most forgettable character in the film potentially.
Adam Yeah.
Adam my my scientific advisor has just passed me this urgent piece of paper, apparently it's Guy Smiley is the guy I'm thinking of.
Chris Oh.
Adam who who was the journalist on Sesame Street.
Adam So sorry, so you and you went with Kermit.
Lee They like.
Lee Yes.
Adam And who was your alternate, Chris?
Chris Oh, yeah.
Chris Let's check that.
Chris Lord Harker.
Chris It's Miss Piggy.
Adam You know who he is.
Chris No, I do I'll put up a picture of him.
Chris I definitely remember him in the film now.
Chris But yeah, I think he was overshadowed by the Texan a little more.
Chris But Lord Arthur Holmwood, Miss Piggy.
Chris Entitled aristocrat with big emotions and bigger entrances.
Chris Furious that Lucy does not belong to her, challenges Dracula to duels, ballroom dances and eventually a reality TV style confrontation.
Jennifer Fair.
Jennifer Oh, so like Miss Piggy.
Adam Love it.
Adam Right.
Adam So, next up, we have Dr. Jack Seward.
Adam Who, runs the mental asylum where Renfield is is resident and is obviously adjacent to Carfax Abbey.
Adam I, at this point, I have dug out someone who's already been mentioned a couple of times on here.
Adam And you'll probably see my working when we get onto a later character.
Adam This is who I decided should have been Beaker.
Adam Just because I just love the idea, particularly, of everyone having to translate for him.
Lee Yeah.
Adam During certain points.
Adam There was a part of me that thought maybe maybe Bunsen and Beaker, the head of heads of the asylum, or like Bunsen make him Dr. Seward and then Beaker would be one of the guys with truncheons who knocks Tom Waits about.
Adam but I thought Beaker, I thought Beaker.
Chris I love their helmets.
Chris As well.
Adam Jack Seward, I thought Beaker.
Adam So I've gone with Beaker.
Adam So Chris, who did you go with?
Chris I went with Fozzie Bear for this, kind, capable, quietly breaking under pressure.
Chris His jokes falter as the horror deepens, which somehow makes it sadder rather than silly.
Adam Oh.
Adam Oh.
Adam Lady Jennifer.
Jennifer so I went with.
Jennifer Bunsen, because I thought.
Adam okay.
Jennifer Yeah, why not? Seems right.
Lee So I went with Gonzo for this one.
Lee Because I thought he would add gravitas to this
Lee to this character, which I mean, I'm not sure it needs it, but.
Adam I I have to say, he rocks that suit.
Lee He does.
Lee Yeah.
Lee Very.
Lee Sharp as fuck, isn't he?
Jennifer I don't think that's AI, that's real.
Adam I.
Adam Wearing that suit.
Adam Fantastic.
Chris Now, I did quite like their interactions Seward and Renfield in this.
Chris No, I.
Chris I did watch, we did watch A Dracula, we've watched Nosferatu, you know.
Chris So I'm starting to get a feel for these characters, yeah, and in this, it was like, okay, you know, they've got a sort of a connection that I didn't realize they had to begin with.
Adam I think also they, well, because he because he runs the asylum, so he's the one who's basically the gateway to Renfield.
Adam and also, I have come to the conclusion, not only the fact that I am a fat old git and quite short.
Adam That I will I will have to do the thing that every goth has to do and go.
Adam I will never play Dracula.
Adam I've come to accept that now.
Adam Much in the same as I've had to come to accept I'll never play Sherlock Holmes.
Adam But but fuck me, Renfield.
Chris I don't know.
Chris We're assuming like this Gonzo.
Chris I reckon you're in there.
Adam Well, that's the thing, are no, Renfield.
Adam I reckon I can do that.
Adam And I also now go that Dracula films live or die on their Renfield.
Chris Yes, yes.
Adam And if despite a great deal of miscasting in this, Tom Waits is fucking great.
Lee He is.
Lee He is fantastic.
Lee The only person in the right role.
Adam And and interestingly enough, the only American doing a convincing fucking English accent.
Lee Yeah.
Adam So it's like, oh, well, these are the proper trained actors and there here's the musician who's come in.
Adam It's like his side job.
Adam And yeah, he's just blown you out of the fucking water.
Adam Guys, come on.
Chris I mean, I I think I I'm I'm I quite like Gary Oldman.
Chris But possibly he could play any role ever at any time, so maybe that's.
Adam Have you ever seen that thing online where it's like you you were do you ever get that for there was a thing that someone wrote online.
Adam It was, do you ever get that feeling where you'll be just doing something in the middle of the day and then suddenly you'll hear cut and you turn around and there's the director and it turns out you were being played by Gary Oldman the whole time.
Lee That's how good an actor he is.
Chris Yes.
Lee Yeah.
Chris Yeah.
Adam And I wish I could.
Chris I'll report to that.
Adam that that just got me that did.
Adam It really did.
Adam So.
Adam do you have an alternate on Mr. Dr. Seward?
Chris Seward.
Chris Yeah, I went for Beaker on this.
Chris Runs the asylum alone, no one knows how.
Chris Screams constantly while making accurate diagnoses.
Chris Is always right, but tragically ever listened to.
Adam Exactly.
Adam That was that was what I was thinking with Beaker in charge, you know.
Adam Is that he would be, you know, it'd just be like, well, that's one of the greatest scientific.
Adam You know, just people are just like, well, that was very profound.
Adam You know, sort of like.
Chris No one knows.
Chris What are you talking about?
Adam Right, so.
Adam Next up is.
Adam The big Texan.
Adam Quincy P. Morris.
Adam The P stands for penis.
Adam And that was who I decided.
Adam I decided that's where I was putting Fozzie.
Adam Because I just thought Fozzie's got the big P energy.
Adam He'd just be there, he'd be sort of romancing.
Adam admittedly.
Adam Rizzo in drag, Claire is actually laughing over in the corner after that.
Lee Yeah.
Adam That is literally the most basic thing I've ever done.
Chris That's got legs.
Adam So, but yeah, so I went with Fozzie because I just I could just see him in a Stetson with his Bowie knife hanging out.
Adam And giving it large.
Adam So Chris, who do you have?
Adam For Quincy P. Morris.
Chris For Quincy.
Chris I had Animal.
Chris All instinct.
Chris All loyalty.
Chris No hesitation.
Chris He barrels towards danger without overthinking.
Chris Chaos, but purposeful chaos.
Adam Ooh.
Adam No, nice.
Adam I like.
Jennifer Fair.
Adam Lady Jennifer.
Jennifer Yes, well, I snap with you.
Jennifer I felt Fozzie would have been just right in this role.
Jennifer So, you know.
Lee Yay.
Jennifer There we go.
Adam Nice.
Lee What about Lee?
Lee So I personally have gone for Cookie Monster.
Lee yeah, again, just because he's large.
Lee He's like.
Lee Yeah.
Chris He suits the.
Chris Yeah.
Chris Dressed like that.
Lee It works, it works.
Jennifer That suits.
Jennifer That's good.
Chris A cookie and a double barrel shotgun.
Chris What more do you need?
Adam Yeah.
Adam And did you have an alternate for Quincy?
Chris Quincy.
Chris Swedish Chef.
Chris Speaks exclusively in violent culinary metaphors.
Chris Tries to kill Dracula using improvised cookware.
Chris Accidentally seduces half the cast.
Chris Heroic death involves a flambé.
Adam Yeah.
Jennifer Garlic, surely garlic for the chef.
Jennifer Nice.
Adam Right.
Adam Well, moving on to Renfield.
Adam Now, as I say, any Dracula film lives or dies on the basis of its Renfield.
Chris used quite a lot now.
Adam And so I had to do my favorite Muppet, so I had to give this to Gonzo, there was also the possibility that Rizzo would be in the cell with him, so we can recreate that lovely double act from Muppets Christmas Carol, but yes, I I I thought I it just seemed an obvious one that Renfield would be Renfield Gonzo would be Renfield in all his fucking mental glory.
Adam So Chris, who did you have for Renfield?
Chris As you predicted, I went with Rizzo the Rat, perfectly scaled madness.
Chris Scrappy devotion, hunger, twitching fear.
Chris He believes, he knows, he is the warning everyone wants to avoid.
Lee That's good.
Adam I think that would have been.
Adam The other thing I was thinking as well because obviously Renfield's eating increasingly large animals.
Chris A kitten, I want a kitten.
Chris How about a cat?
Lee Yes.
Chris A large cat.
Chris I did not know.
Chris This film had any humor.
Adam Lady Jennifer.
Jennifer Yes, well.
Jennifer I went for Animal.
Jennifer Cause surely he's a crazy one, surely.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah, he spends a lot of a lot of his time.
Adam A lot of his time in chains.
Adam So.
Jennifer So, I thought it was ready.
Jennifer He's got the outfit.
Adam He's got the straight jacket.
Adam aka the cover coat.
Lee I also went for Animal.
Chris Oh, there we go, two for Animal.
Adam Two for joy.
Adam Two for a girl, one for a boy.
Lee And let's see Animal in his.
Adam Oh, yes.
Adam Oh, that's.
Lee It's nice. It works.
Adam That's rather Muppet.
Adam We will definitely we'll definitely get these up on we'll we'll definitely get these up on the Insta so that people can enjoy.
Chris He's eating some good things there.
Adam Spectacular looking Muppets there.
Jennifer Oh.
Adam
Chris My alternate was Kermit for this one.
Adam Oh, yes.
Chris Oh yeah.
Chris Soft spoken.
Chris Polite.
Chris Emotionally articulate.
Chris Genuinely believes Dracula understands him.
Chris Delivers devastating monologues about devotion, boundaries, and disappointment.
Chris While being completely ignored.
Jennifer Fair, fair.
Adam I can see Kermit sort of like.
Adam I love the idea that the calmest, most sensible Muppet is the one who's locked up because frankly, yeah, this film is quite, you know, the whole thing is fucking mental.
Chris It's pretty backwards.
Adam Right, so.
Adam Next up is the last of the sort of big cast, so it is Professor Abraham Van Helsing.
Adam I went with Bunsen.
Adam Because I was linking it up that if Beaker was my Dr. Seward and he calls in his scientific mentor and etcetera.
Adam And I also just thought Bunsen's got the right sort of Van Helsing E air to him.
Adam You know, he's sort of just a wise calm figure.
Adam And frankly.
Adam Plays it a lot better than Anthony Hopkins.
Adam But that's that's the thing.
Adam Yeah, that's that's the story.
Adam So.
Adam So Chris, who did you have for Van Helsing?
Chris I'm joining you with the Bunsen on this one.
Chris Brilliant.
Chris Unshakable confidence.
Chris Wildly experimental.
Chris His seriousness never wavers, even when the methods are questionable, that contrast keeps the tone buoyant without breaking it.
Adam Lovely.
Lee Nice.
Adam Stuff.
Lee Do we have any others?
Jennifer Well, I saved the you know, ace as it were up my sleeve for Gonzo.
Adam Yeah, I can see it.
Jennifer Didn't go too excited with him earlier, waited.
Jennifer So just the right choice.
Adam And what about what about you, Mr. Lee?
Lee So I have a pair of Van Helsings.
Lee I've gone for Statler and Waldorf.
Adam Oh man, that looks fucking amazing.
Lee Yes.
Adam Don't convince me that AI is good.
Lee That's work.
Chris That's good.
Adam Yeah.
Adam Because I I want to watch that film, particularly as that is the most Christopher Lee.
Lee I've ever seen a Muppet look.
Lee Well, this is what I'm doing, so I add a picture of Peter Cushing in the outfit and a picture of the two of them.
Lee And I put the two pictures in and just said.
Lee Statler and Waldorf as Van Helsing and this is what it came out with.
Lee And no exaggeration, I probably asked for about 45 seconds non-stop and annoying volume just by that image, it just made me absolutely.
Jennifer Oh, it's good.
Lee It's the anticipation.
Lee Because you put it in and you have to wait like a minute, maybe two minutes for it to generate.
Lee And then when it suddenly pops up, it just fucking nails you out of nowhere, it's so good.
Adam But yes.
Adam Oh, well, that's.
Adam That's bloody marvelous.
Lee Well.
Lee I just thought.
Lee They'll be arguing, which I thought would add to the.
Adam No, it's not you're not going to kill the vampire.
Lee Well, the one isn't it then.
Jennifer Nice.
Adam So, we have so that is our main cast gone through.
Adam Now, we also have a couple of sort of wild cards but also mopping up of sort of if you've if you felt that you'd got.
Adam there's Muppets that are always going to be in there but they're always going to be minor roles and so on.
Adam So, first of all, we've got Dracula's three brides.
Adam Now, bearing in mind, whoever this is will be pleasured, aka noshed off by these by these three brides at a certain point.
Adam And I went with Animal, Sweetums, you know, the giant full-bodied Muppet.
Adam And the Swedish Chef.
Adam Mostly because of the bit where Dracula is talking to the brides.
Adam Now.
Adam Also, that's my last that's this is genuinely my last bit of Bram Stoker's Dracula thing, he definitely says salad tits in that bit.
Lee I mean.
Lee If I must watch that that scene again.
Lee I will do it.
Adam Oh dear, yeah.
Adam Oh, that.
Lee If I really.
Adam What a what a erroneous task for you there, Chris.
Adam I'm so sorry.
Adam so yeah, so I've got yes, so Sweetums, Animal and the Swedish Chef.
Adam do we have any others for the for the brides?
Adam Chris?
Chris I did the Electric Mayhem.
Chris Ethereal, seductive.
Chris Unsettling.
Chris Slow music drifting through corridors.
Chris Glamour edged with menace.
Chris They feel like temptation given form.
Adam Ooh.
Adam Nice.
Adam See, I thought I.
Adam I also thought and this is one that obviously we're not sort of necessarily casting.
Adam But I did think that it'd be good that when Jonathan Harker is picked up by the monastery.
Adam That it was actually just a cult run by Dr. Teeth and it was the Electric Mayhem who rescued him.
Chris Yeah, yeah.
Adam But that was.
Lee No, it wasn't.
Adam That was just a thing in my head.
Adam So.
Jennifer So, Lady Jennifer.
Jennifer Do you have brides?
Jennifer Well, I mixed this up a little bit.
Jennifer So, yeah, I mean we've still got the picture up, imagine these two, but slightly sexier.
Lee Statler and Waldorf.
Jennifer Yeah, and I Big Bird in.
Lee Yes.
Jennifer It's a bit wrinkly.
Adam And who?
Jennifer Opportunities, you know, some people like everyone.
Lee Some people like a big bird.
Jennifer Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
Adam I I nearly put Big Bird in actually.
Adam But then that's.
Lee I see.
Adam But then that then followed because I just wanted to initially I just wanted to find the biggest ones, so I had Sweetums and then I was like, oh, Big Bird and then I went Mr. Snuffleupagus.
Adam And now you've got the image of Mr. Snuffleupagus Snuffleupagus thing around the crotch of Keanu Reeves.
Adam Or whoever is playing Keanu Reeves, like the Cookie Monster being pleasured by Mr. Snuffleupagus.
Chris this this all makes more sense when you actually see that they're sort of deformed and you know, they're a bit they're a bit odd.
Chris Not what you not what you initially think they are.
Jennifer This is what I was thinking, you see.
Adam Whereas I I.
Adam Just went blately.
Adam Where it was just like, yeah, that's who are the three most horrendous people to be coming on to you.
Lee I say it's the size as well.
Lee That's the thing, isn't it?
Lee Like if you go for the big one, like it's just menacing, there's something about three huge people just coming at you at once like this.
Lee You're not going to escape from the room, they're going to block everywhere you can, oh, yeah.
Lee So I I'd say.
Lee I've got to admit.
Lee I had the same, so I had the rats who worked in Scrooge's Yeah.
Lee Oh, that's perfect.
Adam I'm I'm I'm going to I'm going to sort of pull rank there, I reckon crew of the Demeter is all the rats.
Adam And Sam the Eagle is the captain just because he's got the right level of pomposity to try and deal with this situation while all the rats probably quite literally leaving a sinking ship.
Lee Oh, that's.
Jennifer Yes, as well, they would all leave, wouldn't they at the right point.
Adam Yes.
Adam No, that would be quite clever.
Adam Well, I think that that is I've.
Adam I've thoroughly enjoyed going through this list.
Adam And everything else like that.
Adam Do we want to try and get?
Chris I I actually think this would make a decent film.
Chris Now, the more I was going through it.
Chris The more I was like, yeah, I could actually.
Adam It doesn't have to be.
Adam Dracula, the Muppet's Dracula, I think.
Chris Wouldn't be really good.
Adam I think we'd have to.
Adam Absolutely.
Jennifer Disney.
Lee Well, I I tell you what I do think, as we haven't actually picked what we're going to be covering next as our next episode.
Lee It's going to be Christmas, we're going to be busy for the next fortnight.
Lee As you've both watched Bram Stoker's Dracula again, and Jennifer is always keen to be, we cover it as our next episode the actual movie.
Adam No, yeah.
Lee And that way.
Adam Yeah.
Adam I'll be too.
Chris I absolutely would like to.
Chris Yeah, it is way better than I imagined.
Chris I, you know, you think it's very good, but.
Adam It also.
Adam Looks like.
Lee I can.
Adam Yeah.
Lee Yeah, I think I lost.
Lee I think I fell out of love with it for a long time.
Lee Again, like one of those ones.
Adam Was was that?
Lee I'd seen it too much.
Lee And I just I'd seen it so much.
Lee That I'd got bored of it.
Lee So when everyone kept raving about it, I was like, oh, it's not that good.
Lee You need to, you know, get your balls a target.
Lee Like it's all right, but it's not.
Lee What are they serious?
Lee Yeah, and then if you don't watch it for a while and you watch it again, you go, yeah, no, this really is.
Chris Yeah.
Chris I think that's.
Lee Yeah.
Adam I think that's exactly what happened on the episode because I think I was prepared that it was like, oh no, I don't like the lost boys and everything.
Adam Then I watched it.
Adam It was like actually it's bloody fucking good.
Chris Yeah.
Chris It's it's funny, it's got some proper horror elements.
Chris But but I I even I even again, against against some people's wishes, I even showed it to Toby and he was like, it wasn't it wasn't that scary.
Chris And there was actually, I tell you I tell you what, no but there is a lot more graphic scenes than I remembered.
Chris I was like, oh yeah, his face is melting at that point, okay, that's stereo.
Chris I'm just I just watched.
Chris What was it?
Chris what's the melting guy?
Chris Robocop.
Chris And I was like, he probably does melt.
Chris And and that apparently was bad.
Adam No, he does.
Chris That was bad.
Chris And I totally forgot that that was banned, but it is.
Chris And I was like, actually, there's a similarity here, there's definitely some melting going on.
Adam The melting guy in Robocop was one of the great pub quiz questions I had with Lee.
Adam once about.
Adam No, you know, when it's like, right, we're a bit worse for where, so obviously we need to go into business making T-shirts because that's that's the sort of conversation you have, you need a T-shirt with the only one we came up with was the guy from Robocop melting with acid casualty written under it in like.
Chris Oh, I'd probably buy that.
Chris Yeah.
Adam Exactly.
Lee Yeah.
Adam Yeah.
Lee also, as a sidebar, just to let everybody know, we covered nearly two years ago.
Lee We spoke to the writers and directors of Vampire.
Adam
Lee and they were making this film and they were trying to crowd fund to get the film finished to get it completed and released.
Lee This morning, I received my digital download of the film.
Chris Oh, cool.
Lee So.
Lee Oh, sorry.
Chris Did we pay for it?
Lee I spoken to them, they have said they would like to come back and discuss our thoughts on the film, and they're going to do like a wind up to the streaming release.
Lee So, they're going to keep us posted as to when it's it's it's going to be imminent, but yeah, so in the couple of weeks in the run up to that, obviously we'll watch it and we'll jump back on a call with those guys and have a discussion about how the film turned out and everything just before it's available to everybody else for streaming.
Lee So yeah, if you did buy the pre-order, which I did.
Lee Go and check your email because it's there and waiting.
Lee And if not, we'll be back very shortly to discuss it just before it goes live for streaming or just after, yeah, just before it goes live for streaming.
Lee But
Adam And and it's just fantastic because they were so enthusiastic and so positive and everything about and it's like, I really hope this they it felt like they were going to get it made.
Lee Yeah.
Adam But the fact it has now, I'm really, really.
Lee It's so good.
Lee Absolutely like the fact it's made it all the way to fruition and they're so proud of it as well.
Lee I know they were at that point when they'd they'd filmed it.
Lee But the the finished product hadn't yet been done, but they were so excited about it.
Lee Yeah, and their excitement's only ramped up since it's been finished, so it's clearly everything they dreamed it'd be.
Lee Thanks ever so much for listening everybody, we hope you enjoyed this.
Lee Let us if if you disagree with our choices, or not if you disagree with our choices, don't just call us mug, but if you have a better suggestion, drop it in the post for this on our social media and stuff.
Lee Drop us an email.
Lee and go and rewatch Bram Stoker's Dracula and we'll see you in somewhere around a fortnight's time probably.
Lee Once we're into another new year if we fucking make it.
Lee Thanks so much for listening and good night.
Chris Good night.
Adam Good night and a Merry Christmas to everyone at home.
Chris Merry Christmas.
Jennifer Merry Christmas, everyone.
Adam God bless this one and all.


