WTH Hall of Fame

0:22 Unknown Good evening and welcome to horror.

0:24 Lee I'm Lee.

0:25 Chris I'm Chris.

0:26 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee And by some kind of miracle, we are here for episode 200 of the Welcome to Horror podcast.

0:36 Lee Despite public demand, we're still going.

0:41 Lee I mean, thanks for listening, but you know.

0:43 Chris Probably not with divine intervention at any point.

0:46 Lee Yeah.

0:47 Lee We've we've managed to get through a pandemic, all of our internet issues.

0:51 Lee Literally this evening, someone has hacked the Zoom account that we're called on.

0:56 Lee Everything is stacked against us.

0:58 Lee But you know what?

0:59 Lee We're going to keep going because we're professionals and we're angry.

1:44 Adam Yeah.

1:45 Adam Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing quite as motivating as spite, is there?

1:49 Lee Oh.

1:51 Lee I've had family members who've survived on it for decades.

1:54 Lee

1:56 Lee Right, so as promised, we are here for the first, and I'm pretty sure not the last, because I'd quite like to do this more frequently.

2:06 Adam Well, we'll have to do it for episode 300.

2:09 Lee I'm not going to survive that long, let's be honest.

2:12 Lee

2:13 Lee So, yes, so we are doing the Welcome to Horror Hall of Fame is now being opened.

2:19 Lee and we this evening we are all putting in our favorite things from the four topics chosen.

2:27 Lee for anyone who is still listening,

2:29 Lee from episode 101, we are doing the same topics that we did for our Room 101 episode, where we did our least favorite of these four topics.

2:40 Lee

2:41 Lee so Adam in a stroke of genius thought it'd be a great idea to reverse that and actually talk about good stuff.

2:46 Lee And not just have Chris get really angry about Tom Cruise, which is justifiable always.

2:54 Adam Well, so I I was thinking if this is the Welcome to Horror Hall of Fame awards,

3:00 Adam what I would imagine is all the cool kids are calling it the Welkies.

3:04 Chris Ooh.

3:07 Adam Some thought's gone into this.

3:08 Adam You know, people can put people can put it on their box cover art, you know, winner of two Welkies.

3:15 Adam And, you know, people will just think is this something to do with men in white coats who sell fish and chips?

3:24 Lee

3:24 Lee Yeah.

3:24 Lee Are we going to have to have a theme tune for the beginning of each one like the, like the Oscars do?

3:30 Adam We'll just make Wogan. Yeah.

3:34 Lee I was thinking the the Great White North.

3:38 Lee Yeah, I've been watching a lot of that recently.

3:42 Adam Yeah.

3:47 Lee But anyway, without further ado and bullshit,

3:50 Lee which, I mean, if you're listening to this, you've listened for 199 episodes, this is not new to you.

3:56 Lee

3:57 Lee there will be swearing, there might be spoilers, depending on our choices.

4:02 Lee

4:04 Lee but yeah, so

4:07 Lee Let's kick things off and get stuck in with our first category.

4:11 Lee

4:12 Lee So we are going to put into the Hall of Fame our favorite movie trope.

4:17 Chris

4:18 Lee

4:19 Lee So, I think as Chris is the one who has been being welcomed to horror for 200 episodes,

4:24 Lee but he's now definitely a cornerstone of knowledge when it comes to horror.

4:29 Lee Chris, what have you chosen?

4:33 Chris Of course, in the vein of the previous one, there was a big temptation to not not take this quite so seriously again.

4:41 Chris However, I thought, all right, no, we're going for best, I am going to give my best, and so I was looking back, I was thinking what what has stood out to me,

4:50 Chris you know, what seems to be recurring the recurring theme again and again.

4:54 Chris And it would seem to be that my favorite trope is a combination of psychological horror and supernatural,

5:01 Chris but where you don't know what's real, is it just everyone going mad, or is there actually something supernatural going on?

5:11 Lee Good choice, we have covered a lot of films where where it goes, it could go either way.

5:16 Lee That's fantastic.

5:17 Chris Yeah, and that we had, I've got a list of a few.

5:20 Chris and some of them we didn't cover,

5:22 Chris but some we have.

5:22 Chris So hereditary, The Babadook.

5:25 Chris The Lighthouse.

5:26 Lee Yeah.

5:27 Chris Black Swan, which I don't remember we covered, but I watched and we may have talked about.

5:33 Chris Did we actually cover it?

5:34 Adam We haven't covered it. We we haven't covered The Lighthouse either as well.

5:38 Chris Okay, you must have mentioned that.

5:39 Adam We've definitely discussed them, yeah.

5:42 Chris Voted it for me.

5:43 Chris And yeah, and Jacob's Ladder,

5:45 Chris which I would have thought we might have covered by now.

5:49 Chris That was one of my favorite films when I was younger.

5:52 Adam I think we need to add that to the list.

5:54 Chris Yeah.

5:55 Adam That that definitely needs.

5:56 Chris That that could be a like a good step towards Shawshank Redemption, which again, we're not exactly allowed to watch.

6:04 Adam On on the basis of being a Stephen King book.

6:07 Chris Exactly, yeah.

6:07 Lee Yeah.

6:08 Lee Yeah.

6:08 Lee I was going to say, I'm sure we and let's be honest, was it only five episodes in before I said, right, fuck the format, I want a big trouble in Little China.

6:16 Chris Yeah.

6:18 Adam Yeah, but yeah, but Big Trouble in Little China, you know, again, it's the connection there, you got it's it's a John Carpenter film, so.

6:24 Lee Yeah.

6:25 Adam Not that I'm not that I'm suggesting we do fucking Starman or whatever it's called.

6:29 Chris Can draw a line somewhere.

6:31 Chris

6:32 Adam Yeah, exactly.

6:33 Chris And and there is one more film I would mention in this list, but I will save it for best film.

6:38 Lee Oh, excellent.

6:40 Lee Good call, I like that.

6:42 Adam But that that lovely ambivalence is

6:46 Adam a fantastic.

6:48 Adam It's a very good horror trope just on the basis that it's it it feels the most naturalistic, you know, way.

6:58 Lee Yeah, it does.

6:58 Lee Yeah, that idea of am I imagining this or is it genuine?

7:02 Lee Which I'm sure in a lot of scenarios of the stuff we watch, your brain would just go, this can't be happening and you go, yeah.

7:11 Chris Yeah.

7:12 Chris And it lets people play with with, you know, different film styles a bit, you can you can do some interesting things with it, how far do you take it either way?

7:22 Adam Oh, absolutely.

7:23 Adam I I always I always like the ones that still, you know, that I I like the ones that leave you in doubt at the end.

7:29 Chris

7:30 Chris Yeah.

7:31 Lee

7:31 Adam You know, you can it's like say another example, The Omen.

7:36 Chris

7:37 Adam Is that the story of the Antichrist?

7:41 Adam I mean obviously.

7:42 Chris We did watch that.

7:42 Adam Quite clear, but The Omen on its own is is that is this a series of coincidences that lead a poor a man to try and kill his child or has the Antichrist been born?

7:51 Adam Who knows?

7:52 Chris And on that.

7:54 Lee Excellent choice.

7:57 Lee Adam, over to you.

7:59 Adam Well, I've gone with my best trope and I think this says a lot about me and what I,

8:04 Adam you know, certain levels of confirmation bias.

8:08 Adam my trope, I've called it in in honor of Charlie Brooker, I've called it Twatty Old Humanity.

8:14 Chris Ooh.

8:14 Adam

8:15 Adam And that is and that's just the fact that the humans are the real monsters.

8:20 Chris Oh, yeah.

8:21 Adam Examples I've got a for examples I've got of that.

8:23 Adam 28 Days Later.

8:25 Adam All of George Romero's zombie films.

8:29 Adam Wayland Yutani in the Alien franchise.

8:32 Adam Captain Vedel in Pan's Labyrinth.

8:34 Adam Oh, that fucking bastard.

8:36 Adam Even now.

8:37 Lee It makes me want some real people.

8:39 Lee Oh.

8:40 Lee Oh.

8:40 Lee Oh, you said it, it made me angry.

8:43 Lee It's such a great character.

8:44 Lee Oh.

8:44 Adam Frankenstein obviously, both the title character and society in general in most Frankenstein's.

8:50 Adam other films that we haven't covered like The Mist, Night Breed and and obviously The Monster Club.

8:56 Adam where man is the greatest monster of all.

8:58 Lee You know, but that that needs to go on the list more than anything, I think.

9:02 Adam Yeah.

9:03 Adam But it's it's just yeah, I do like that thing where it's sort of, you know, yes, there's supernatural horrors, yes, there's monsters and everything.

9:08 Adam But Christ on a bike, human beings are bloody awful.

9:14 Adam You know.

9:15 Chris And and proud of it a lot of the time.

9:18 Lee As we showed in our last film, in fact, we saw that human beings are proud of being total fuckups.

9:24 Adam Oh, mate.

9:25 Adam And and the I mean, that's the thing, the the weirdest part about it is is when you when you look at it and you watch a horror film and you think, yeah, the stakes are high on this, you know, people are going to fuck each other over for so they don't get eaten by the zombie hordes or whatever like that.

9:40 Adam Whereas actually it's, oh no, they're just going to fuck you over because you're there.

9:46 Adam Yeah.

9:47 Adam You know, in many in many ways real life, it's like another one, Grease's Grease or gangs in Stephen King books.

9:54 Adam Yeah.

9:55 Adam You know, again, like like when we watched it, and it was like, oh, thank Christ, the the child killing supernatural entity has turned up, because all the human beings are worse.

10:09 Lee Yeah.

10:10 Adam You know, non-chemists, abusive parents, Grease with flick knives, it's just, yeah, you're actually like, oh, thank Christ, it's here.

10:19 Lee Yeah.

10:22 Adam So, yeah, so that is my contribution.

10:24 Adam That is my my hall of Fame.

10:27 Lee Very good call.

10:29 Lee I have gone for a a trope that is in some of my favorite films.

10:34 Lee and it it is a a running thing, and a lot of these films actually we covered, it is the horror party, Halloween party, sorry, gone wrong.

10:41 Chris Yeah.

10:42 Adam Oh, yeah.

10:43 Lee Oh, yes.

10:44 Lee So that is, Night of the Demons 1, 3, It's My Party and I'll Die If I Want To, Hell Night.

10:53 Adam Yep.

10:54 Lee

10:55 Lee Blood Night as well.

10:56 Lee Like, there's just loads of them, and it the reason I love it, I think,

11:00 Lee is because it gives them the excuse to go all out Halloween, which obviously is my favorite time of the year.

11:06 Chris Yeah.

11:07 Lee and you get that Halloween feel and then on top of that, if you believe in such things,

11:13 Lee it is the night when the veil between the living and the dead is thinnest.

11:18 Lee So it it creates a good excuse for these things to happen.

11:24 Lee And and it is.

11:24 Lee It's it's like.

11:25 Lee Halloween used to be and I, you know, we've said it before on the show, I spent two Halloween nights in a graveyard.

11:33 Lee Like, just doing.

11:34 Lee Kids do stupid shit like that and the idea that it suddenly all goes wrong and you do it just for bravado and before you know it, you're in a terrifying situation with actual supernatural beings, yeah, just it's just one of those.

11:46 Lee It's a great concept and it's done so well so often and uses a lot of fun as well in those films mixed with a lot of full on horror.

11:54 Chris And it.

12:00 Adam It also it also has that lovely thing as well where everyone's in costume, so the killer can be in costume as well.

12:08 Adam Or they can start stealing other people's costumes, or people can think that a monster is just a really good costume.

12:17 Adam You know, so immediately you've got those sort of lovely playful sort of moments as well where it's you know, someone comes in as a trick or treat or you know, a trick or treater comes in, are they actually really a person in a costume?

12:28 Adam Are they the monster, are, you know, and it's yeah.

12:32 Adam A lovely lot of messing about and sort of, you know, Michael Myers wearing the ghost sheet in Halloween and things like that.

12:40 Adam You know, where it's just, yeah.

12:42 Lee Yeah, and Trick R Treat as well, is obviously one of my favorite, so.

12:46 Adam Yeah.

12:47 Lee Yeah, and it's just it's it's one of those when I thought of it, I was like, there are so many great titles that we've discussed that we all love that that that do sort of cling to that as the sort of base story.

12:59 Lee Yeah, and because I love Halloween, it just works for me and they're all the films that I have to reel out every year and have to spend the whole of October watching, so.

13:08 Adam Yeah.

13:11 Lee Excellent, right.

13:12 Adam Excellent choice.

13:13 Lee Thank you, thank you.

13:15 Adam So, the Welkies for best trope include the ambivalence of psychological versus supernatural, old humanity, and the Halloween party gone wrong.

13:24 Chris Hey.

13:25 Lee Hey.

13:27 Lee You like that?

13:29 Lee I need I need to stop watching that.

13:31 Adam Clearly.

13:35 Lee For anyone who's unaware, it was a comedy sketch that Rick Moranis used to do on, SNL and then he did it on loads of other stuff, where it was basically two drunk Canadians on a cable access show and they didn't have a theme tune so one of them would literally just do that with his mouth as the thing and it was great.

13:53 Lee If you've never seen and they made a film with, Maxwell von Side out called Strange Brew,

13:59 Lee which could technically be squeezed into horror, it has got supernatural elements.

14:03 Lee And it's amazing.

14:04 Adam I must have seen it, I'll take it.

14:06 Lee And it's all about ice hockey and beer, so I mean, I'd be up for it literally every day of the week.

14:14 Chris Sounds good.

14:16 Adam And the film.

14:18 Lee So without further ado,

14:20 Lee we are going to be going onto our favorite films.

14:25 Chris

14:27 Lee So Chris, what are you going to be putting into the Welcome to Horror Hall of Fame?

14:32 Chris Well, so based on what I've said so far and based on what I've said in the past, you may not be too shocked that I'm going to say The Witch by Robert Eggers.

14:41 Lee Very good one.

14:42 Adam Yeah.

14:42 Lee Yes.

14:43 Chris And of course, it does fit and that was the last one of my list of the best trope.

14:48 Lee Yes.

14:49 Chris I guess it does have both psychological horror and supernatural that even by the end you're not sure, not 100% sure it could have been one way, it could be the other, both are very good explanations.

14:58 Adam Although I hope it is supernatural, cuz then you have to believe.

15:01 Chris Yes, yeah, exactly.

15:04 Chris But.

15:04 Chris Some depending on my mood, I don't want it to be, so, you know, it's it's all there for the taking.

15:09 Chris

15:10 Chris but yeah, like especially what I love about it, it's got themes of isolation, religion, exploring religious fanaticism, the family strict, Puritanical beliefs.

15:18 Chris amplifying their fear and guilt, drives them to suspect one another.

15:23 Chris As they become more isolated from the community and from each other.

15:27 Chris the supernatural versus psychological, The Witch cleverly leaves it ambiguous.

15:32 Chris Whether the events are genuinely supernatural or the result of psychological stress and madness brought on by their dire situation and it it's funny because

15:41 Chris dysfunction, one bad thing happens, that means people react in a certain way, that means more bad things happen, which mean more bad things happen.

15:48 Chris It's like, who's going to break that if you're all kind of falling down this.

15:52 Chris pit of despair, how do you get out of it?

15:54 Chris

15:55 Chris And then,

15:55 Chris I think Adam, you said, there's also potentially the, what was it, the weep or corn that they had.

16:01 Adam Oh, yeah, there's the the thing about which apparently is something that's been, to a greater or lesser extent debunked, but there is the thing about,

16:08 Chris Yeah.

16:08 Adam ergot poisoning.

16:10 Chris Yeah, yeah.

16:10 Adam Yeah.

16:11 Adam Which certainly does cause hallucinations and things like that, so, you know, I think there's.

16:16 Adam I'm still saying that's still in for a contender if you want to, especially on a small scale like that.

16:20 Adam I mean it may not excuse why a community would go that way, but certainly a a small a small.

16:25 Chris Although you could say if a few people start to, that leads people.

16:28 Chris You know.

16:29 Lee Yeah.

16:29 Chris Madness.

16:30 Adam Oh,

16:30 Adam absolutely.

16:31 Chris Yeah.

16:32 Chris

16:32 Chris And and the fact.

16:33 Chris

16:34 Chris the other thing I really loved about it was, I think I said at the time, like it almost has a documentary like feel.

16:41 Chris Like just so you think I'm actually learning something.

16:43 Chris About how this was back then.

16:46 Chris And it's pretty awful.

16:48 Adam Well, much like the much like The Northman, Robert Eggers really.

16:53 Chris Yes.

16:53 Chris Yeah.

16:53 Adam Goes to town with that, wanting to be as authentic to the period as possible.

16:57 Chris Yeah, as much as you can within a.

16:59 Chris a fictional film that's meant to entertain as well.

17:01 Adam Exactly, yeah.

17:02 Chris So yeah, I think he he blends that perfectly.

17:04 Chris along with that the cinematography by Jaren Blash, again, like says it uses natural light and shadow.

17:10 Chris And it does create a hauntingly beautiful and eerie visual look.

17:14 Chris and the sound design and music by Mark Koven.

17:17 Adam Oh, Mark Koven's score is.

17:19 Chris Yeah, very unsettling atmosphere.

17:23 Chris So, yeah, that's.

17:26 Chris That pretty much ticks all the boxes for me.

17:29 Chris And again.

17:30 Adam Such a great cast.

17:31 Lee I was going to say and that's where.

17:32 Chris Absolutely.

17:33 Lee We first discovered Anya Taylor-Joy.

17:35 Chris It was.

17:35 Lee Who I think we all said at the time, we really hope goes on to bigger things because her performance was amazing.

17:40 Lee And and look what she's done now, like she's in literally everything.

17:43 Chris Yeah, yeah.

17:44 Adam Well, I'm hoping I'm hoping to get to see Furiosa.

17:46 Adam That's probably the most recent thing.

17:48 Lee I can't wait to see that.

17:50 Adam I really want to see that.

17:51 Chris That that might be the first, the first Mad Max I ever watch.

17:58 Adam Oh, really?

17:59 Adam You've not seen Mad Max.

17:59 Chris No, I've seen like, seen clips of them, you know, and I've seen it.

18:03 Chris zed and referenced.

18:06 Adam I'd watch Fury Road.

18:07 Adam Fury Road.

18:08 Lee Absolutely amazing.

18:10 Chris So that that was fairly recent as well.

18:13 Lee Yeah.

18:14 Lee So it's the the one.

18:16 Lee So it's the new sort of reboot.

18:19 Lee Yeah, Furiosa is the the prequel.

18:20 Chris Prequel, right, yeah, okay.

18:23 Lee Oh, it's excellent.

18:24 Lee It's it's so much action and it's fantastic like it's just non-stop and it looks beautiful and it's oh, yeah, it's massive.

18:30 Chris I get the impression it's over the top.

18:31 Adam Yeah.

18:32 Chris It's.

18:32 Adam Yes.

18:33 Adam Yeah.

18:33 Chris Yeah, but but that works.

18:35 Chris That's what it's meant to be.

18:36 Adam Because the the weirdest thing is that the very first one is the is an example of what I can only describe as a pre-apocalyptic movie.

18:43 Adam Yeah.

18:44 Adam Because the very first one is basically just as everything's going to shit.

18:50 Chris

18:51 Adam And then Mad Max 2, The Road Warrior, is basically, right, everything's gone to shit.

18:57 Adam And we now all live in a desert and everyone's fighting each other for petrol and dressed up like the fucking Legion of Doom.

19:03 Adam But.

19:04 Adam But the first one sort of still kind of tries to be in in a base of.

19:09 Chris Some normal.

19:10 Adam In reality.

19:10 Chris Yeah.

19:10 Adam But it's it's it's a world you can recognize, just a world that's literally on the brink of absolute fucking collapse.

19:16 Chris One you still would not want to be in.

19:18 Adam Oh, absolutely.

19:19 Chris Yeah.

19:20 Chris Okay.

19:20 Chris Oh.

19:20 Adam Right.

19:20 Adam Probably the most out of all of them.

19:22 Adam Is again, back to it, it's a bit of a it's a bit of a fucking relief when it's when it's.

19:25 Chris Yeah, once you're in it, it's like, that's this is what it is now.

19:27 Chris We're going to just enjoy it.

19:29 Adam Yeah, we can crack on now.

19:31 Lee There is a fantastic Mad Max game as well, if you get a chance, Chris, on the PC, you can get it on Steam.

19:38 Lee It's absolutely brilliant.

19:39 Lee I loved it.

19:40 Chris Oh, all right, perhaps I'll check that out.

19:42 Lee Yeah.

19:42 Lee Yeah.

19:47 Lee Fantastic.

19:48 Lee Adam, what is the film that you're going to be putting into the Welcome to Horror Hall of Fame?

19:55 Adam Well, I had I had a few ideas, sort of bubbling under was a the fictional basically the fictional idea of Jodorowsky's Dune was what I was going to possibly put in.

20:05 Lee Oh.

20:06 Adam Yeah.

20:07 Chris Oh.

20:07 Adam Yeah.

20:08 Adam Yeah.

20:08 Adam but what I've actually gone with is a film that I feel in many ways is like a embodiment of a lot of the stuff, certainly the stuff that I like, but a lot of the stuff that we always rate on the show.

20:19 Adam And most importantly, it's the film that welcome watching for Welcome to Horror.

20:24 Adam that Claire has been introduced to that is her favorite.

20:27 Adam So.

20:28 Adam I am going with Theater of Blood.

20:30 Chris

20:30 Lee Oh, nice.

20:32 Adam Because you've got.

20:33 Adam Obviously, you know, it's.

20:35 Adam Like I said, I like a bit of grimy 70s Britishness.

20:41 Adam you've got a.

20:44 Adam Absolute fucking horror icon there, because you've got Vincent Price in the title role.

20:51 Adam It's both it's both a horror and a comedy.

20:57 Adam But the horror is in places, the horror's absolutely fucking ghastly and grim.

21:01 Adam Because you've obviously got all the stuff and the holdovers from Shakespeare, which are obviously always gory and violent and vicious and things like that.

21:09 Adam You've got a cast of, apart from Vincent Price, the cast is entirely British character actors.

21:16 Adam You've got, you've even got Mad and Smith from, like, so you've got a hammer connection in there.

21:23 Adam And you've got like Michael Horden and Robert Morley and,

21:30 Adam Arthur Low, Diana Rig, obviously, also pretending to be Jeff Linn from The Electric Light Orchestra.

21:38 Adam And, but, you know, and and in a way, it's almost like,

21:43 Adam because obviously another thing that we're always we always like on the show is we like an Anthology film.

21:48 Adam It's not an Anthology, but it has that thing of it's a series of set pieces that link, you know, so it could almost fit into that category, even though it's a continuing story with the same characters.

21:59 Adam But it's got it just ticks so many of those boxes and is just such an astoundingly fucking good piece of work.

22:06 Adam It's one of those things that you you kind of almost go, I can't believe this exists.

22:13 Adam You know, it's so fucking good.

22:14 Adam And also it's one of those ones where again, it's one of those ones where you think much like how Jodorowsky's Dune.

22:19 Adam Would have been if it had actually become to fruition.

22:24 Adam Let's face it, best wheel in the world, it had been a fucking disaster.

22:27 Adam Yeah.

22:28 Adam You know.

22:28 Adam The imagined version of it is brilliant, but it probably would have been a sort of Curio.

22:32 Adam Or sort of like people saying, you know, when David Lynch did Dune, they were like, oh, did you see this one back from the 60s?

22:38 Adam It's fucking mad as a box of frogs and sound god in it for some reason and.

22:42 Adam But whereas Theater of Blood, you know, I think it's sort of, you know, it's really well put together, it's funny, it's dark, it's, you know, it's got it's got Shakespeare in there, obviously.

22:53 Adam And, you know, it's just and also, if you get the arrow Blu-ray,

22:58 Adam you get the League of Gentlemen doing a commentary, so it's almost like every aspect of shit that we go on about on this show.

23:03 Adam

23:04 Adam That is.

23:04 Adam That.

23:05 Adam Incidentally, if you've.

23:07 Adam Not that you ever would, but if you were to bore a Theater of Blood, watch it with the league commentary and it becomes alive once again.

23:13 Adam If you, you know, even if that was possible, but I don't think it is, I think that it's just, yeah.

23:20 Lee Oh, what a great film that is.

23:23 Lee

23:24 Lee Yeah, two great choices so far.

23:28 Lee again, a bit like James McAvoy, as soon as we said you need, you know, we're going to do this, this is what it's going to be, and I wrote down in my notepad, I was like, right, I'm going to sit down, I'm going to work all these answers out, and I wrote down film, and then immediately just wrote Devil Rides Out, because.

23:42 Adam Yeah.

23:44 Lee Yeah.

23:45 Lee It can't be anything else.

23:48 Lee It it, you know, like you were saying, Adam, it it hits so many of our favorite.

23:51 Lee things.

23:52 Lee Like it's Hammer.

23:54 Lee It's that 60s psychedelic color scheme.

23:59 Lee Music is batshit.

24:01 Lee It's Christopher Lee and Charles Grey.

24:03 Lee It's got my best, my favorite representation of the devil.

24:06 Adam Can I ask, is your favorite representation of the devil?

24:09 Adam The Goat of Mendez sitting on the rock or the man in red pants?

24:13 Lee It's the Goat of Mendez sitting on the rock, but I do love the man in the red pants as well.

24:16 Lee Because he is truly terrifying.

24:19 Lee yeah.

24:20 Lee So originally based on the book by Dennis Wheatley.

24:22 Lee But then adapted by Richard Matheson.

24:25 Lee Like it's it's just it's it's got everything and it's it's such a comfort watch for me.

24:29 Lee It's that it it again, it's one of those, it doesn't matter what mood I'm in, it'll always hit the spot.

24:35 Lee It's a great like Sunday night movie, it's just phenomenal, I absolutely love it.

24:41 Lee I love watching it with other people, I love watching it on my own in bed.

24:44 Lee It just it always works for me because it's got so much atmosphere and it's got so many great performances.

24:49 Lee And and just everything comes together perfectly.

24:53 Lee It's got loads of action.

24:54 Lee And it's just brilliant.

24:55 Lee And it is bat shit.

24:58 Lee And it it did come close.

24:59 Lee to being my favorite of our last, subject as well, which is our favorite cinema experience, at least in my favorite film.

25:09 Lee They aired it, oh, must have been three or four years ago now, they aired it, at the cinema.

25:15 Lee What's the name of the cinema.

25:15 Lee In East London that we went to.

25:18 Lee Oh, can't remember now.

25:20 Lee but they showed it on my birthday.

25:23 Lee with Robin Ince doing the intro.

25:27 Adam Yes.

25:28 Lee so obviously we went to that and got pissed up and had a fantastic time watching it.

25:33 Lee And then I want to well, Jennifer technically.

25:35 Lee won a limited edition print of the the artwork big poster that now hangs in my hallway prior to place, so as soon as you come in the front door, it's right there, you can see it.

25:45 Lee

25:47 Lee Yeah, it's it's couldn't be much more perfect.

25:50 Lee Yeah, exactly, it's such and it is such a good film in so many ways.

25:55 Lee I just returned to it over and over again, it really is my comfort food of films really.

26:04 Adam And it's good and it's it's.

26:05 Adam It's great to see.

26:06 Adam Christopher Lee is the hero.

26:08 Lee Yes.

26:08 Lee Exactly, not even though he is still a stern, funny bastard.

26:12 Adam Yeah.

26:15 Lee I mean he's still being a prick, but he's doing it for all the right reasons.

26:18 Lee Which again is.

26:18 Adam Yeah.

26:19 Lee It works.

26:20 Lee Yeah.

26:20 Adam I'd rather you were dead than mixed up with black magic.

26:25 Lee Yeah.

26:28 Lee God.

26:30 Lee Oh, and the artwork goes for it as well.

26:31 Lee He's just phenomenal.

26:33 Adam Oh, yeah, I mean, that that opening, the like the opening titles, I mean Hammer sort of like titles pretty good.

26:40 Adam But yeah, that is an amazing.

26:41 Lee Really.

26:42 Adam That like you say that sort of psychodelic sort of colors and everything.

26:46 Adam Because Hammer's usually very vivid, but at that point it had gone very.

26:51 Adam yeah, very trippy.

26:54 Lee Yeah, Terence Fisher as well.

26:56 Lee Mentioning all the the great points that it hits.

26:58 Lee Terence Fisher directing as well.

26:59 Lee Awesome.

27:00 Adam Yes.

27:00 Lee Yeah.

27:01 Chris And I like how patriotic you both are.

27:02 Chris Choosing English.

27:05 Chris British films.

27:06 Lee Yeah.

27:06 Lee Yeah.

27:08 Lee Oh, there was just something this is the thing, I've said before about the 60s and 70s in Britain.

27:12 Lee I would have hated to have been alive in that time because it's so, oh, it's everything I hate.

27:18 Lee But we were just smashing it out the park with cinema at the time.

27:20 Lee It really was it would be the only reason to live at that time would be to see these films actually.

27:24 Chris That was the out.

27:25 Adam Oh.

27:25 Adam Yeah.

27:26 Lee Yeah.

27:27 Adam And we've got them.

27:27 Adam We still got them, so you don't need to travel back in time.

27:29 Adam So.

27:30 Lee Thanks.

27:30 Adam So, yeah, stop stop building that time machine now, Lee, so.

27:32 Lee Oh, good.

27:33 Lee I can turn off and go to bed.

27:35 Adam Yeah.

27:35 Adam Yeah.

27:37 Lee Right.

27:37 Adam So.

27:39 Adam The Welkies for best film, The Witch, Theater of Blood, and The Devil Rides Out.

27:46 Chris Hey.

27:46 Lee Hey.

27:48 Adam There we go.

27:49 Lee Excellent.

27:50 Adam Well, fantastic.

27:51 Adam Can I just say, I'm proud of both of you.

27:53 Lee I'm.

27:53 Chris I'm proud of you too.

27:55 Adam Because.

27:55 Adam Because all all of these films are without a shadow of a fucking doubt Hall of Famers.

28:02 Adam You know.

28:02 Chris Yeah.

28:03 Adam I could have picked either of those as well as there.

28:05 Lee Oh, yeah, yeah.

28:06 Lee Yeah.

28:06 Lee Yeah.

28:06 Lee We're so in sync, we've been doing this too long.

28:08 Lee so for our final category of the evening,

28:11 Lee by Chris's behest, we are going to be covering.

28:13 Lee Our favorite cinema experience.

28:15 Lee So Chris, would you like to lead us off?

28:18 Chris Hey, well, following it on in the vein of my favorite.

28:23 Chris psychological, is it real, is it supernatural, what's going on here?

28:28 Chris I'm not a huge cinema goer.

28:32 Chris So part of mine could be a little bit dramatized.

28:36 Chris See see see if you can tell what's real and what's not.

28:40 Chris So my my favorite cinema experience is when I attended the premiere of The Witch with a Mr. Tom Cruise.

28:46 Chris Where he is so excited by the greatness of the film that he jumps up and down the chairs and frightens everybody.

28:52 Chris It was a night to remember, not only because the chilling atmosphere of the film,

28:56 Chris but because I had the inexplicable fortune of attending it with a Mr. Tom Cruise.

29:03 Chris Yes,

29:03 Chris you heard that right.

29:04 Chris The Tom Cruise.

29:05 Chris As if his presence in the world of horror was not already an eyebrow raiser, imagine him as my movie-going buddy for the night.

29:11 Chris It all began with an invitation that mysteriously arrived at my doorstep, marked with an ornate TC.

29:16 Chris I assumed it was some sort of secret society thing, but no, it was from Tom Cruise himself.

29:19 Lee Oh, my.

29:21 Chris Yeah.

29:22 Chris He had apparently heard of my hilarious ribbing at his expense during our 100th episode and decided to turn the tables.

29:28 Chris I invited me to what he called a transcendental cinematic experience.

29:33 Chris How could I refuse?

29:35 Chris We met at the theater and let me tell you, Tom Cruise does not do anything by halves.

29:40 Chris He arrived in a black helicopter that landed right in the middle of the red carpet, his million-dollar smile reflecting the flash bulbs of countless cameras.

29:47 Chris He greeted me with that firm, intense handshake of his and said, are you ready to be witch-slapped by sheer terror?

29:54 Chris How could I say no to that?

29:56 Lee Yeah.

29:56 Chris Inside the.

29:56 Chris Inside the theater, as the lights dimmed, Tom leaned over and whispered, I've been preparing for this all of my life.

30:01 Chris I thought he was joking until he started doing some kind of deep breathing exercises, presumably to ready himself for the horrors to come.

30:08 Chris As the eerie soundtrack of The Witch filled the room, Tom's intensity only grew.

30:12 Chris Every time a goat appeared on screen, he would mutter something about bovine transcendent under his breath.

30:18 Chris The real highlight, however, was his reaction to Black Phillip when the goat finally spoke.

30:22 Chris Tom jumped out of his seat and shouted, I knew it, I knew goats were sent goats were sentient beings.

30:28 Chris He then proceeded to take furious notes, which I later learned were for a potential sequel to Top Gun involving fighter pilots versus satanic livestock.

30:36 Chris I can't make this stuff up.

30:38 Chris During the film's climax, Tom was gripping the armrest so hard that I'm pretty sure he left permanent dents.

30:43 Chris His post-film analysis was equally intense.

30:46 Chris He insisted on a debrief session right there in the theater, analyzing the symbolic representation of Puritanical oppression and comparing it to Hollywood's treatment of action stars.

30:51 Chris He had a particularly poignant take on the ending,

30:54 Chris describing it as a metaphor for an actor's eternal struggle against typecasting.

31:00 Chris After the movie, we attended the after party where Tom insisted on performing his own rendition of Ye Old Timey Witch Trials.

31:03 Chris The musical.

31:04 Chris It was a performance so unique that people are still talking about it or trying to forget it.

31:08 Chris All in all, attending The Witch Prim with Tom Cruise was an experience as surreal and unexpected as the film itself.

31:13 Chris While I might still poke fun at Tom in the future episodes, I'll always cherish that bizarre goat-filled night.

31:19 Lee Amazing.

31:20 Chris That might have been a dream.

31:23 Adam How the fuck do we follow that?

31:24 Lee That is.

31:25 Adam I know what a prick.

31:27 Chris Oh.

31:27 Adam Yeah.

31:28 Adam Yeah.

31:29 Adam Yeah.

31:30 Chris Yeah.

31:30 Adam I'm glad I'm glad that you and Tom have found some common ground as well.

31:32 Chris Yeah, I thought.

31:32 Chris It was time.

31:34 Chris I can't hate on him forever.

31:34 Adam Don't let him Simon Pegg you. Yeah, suddenly you've lost a load of weight and you're not in very good films anymore.

31:38 Lee Yeah.

31:40 Adam But thank you so much, everybody.

31:42 Adam It made so many friends over the last seven years of doing this through this show.

31:47 Adam

31:48 Adam yeah, and we're amazed by the response really that anybody listens to this shit.

31:56 Adam so thank you so much and, yeah, we really appreciate what we really love is the amount of people who have have said that it actually has re-introduced them to horror.

32:08 Adam People who, you know, we've said it before, saw something when they were too young and it scared the piss out of them and they haven't listened or watched horror since.

32:17 Adam And this is kind of encouraged a few people to get back into it.

32:19 Adam And rediscover it and realize that it's a lot more nuanced and intelligent than a lot of people think.

32:24 Adam yeah, and and that's what it's all about.

32:25 Adam Really for us.

32:26 Adam So.

32:27 Lee Thanks for listening.

32:28 Adam Fantastic.

32:29 Lee We love you all.

32:30 Adam Is it?

32:31 Lee Is it?

32:31 Adam Is it.

32:31 Lee Is it number two?

32:32 Adam Oh, God damn it, I could manage that.

32:34 Lee

32:35 Lee But thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

32:36 Lee We'll be back in a fortnight's time.

32:39 Lee we're going to be covering something new.

32:41 Lee Adam, what are we covering on our next episode?

32:45 Adam Oh, it's Tales from the Great War by friend of the show, Andrew Elias, and yeah, looking forward to that.

32:52 Adam He's a top man and yeah, this very intrigued.

32:56 Adam Because I haven't seen it yet.

32:57 Adam So I'm really looking forward to this.

32:59 Lee Yeah, so go and find it.

33:00 Lee It is available on Amazon.

33:02 Lee So go and watch it on there.

33:04 Lee and we'll see you back here in a fortnight's time.

33:07 Lee Thanks very much for listening to 200 episodes.

33:08 Lee Good night.

33:09 Chris Good night.

33:10 Adam Good night.