Dreamcatcher

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:27 Chris I'm Chris.

0:28 Adam I am Adam.

0:30 Lee and we're here as previously advertised for 2003's Dreamcatcher following our Christmas delve into Stephen King and saying that you guys obviously hadn't seen this before.

0:46 Adam

0:47 Lee I have, I enjoy it, I know I shouldn't and I don't know why I enjoy it, but I do, so I wanted to get your input on it as well.

0:56 Lee so, yeah.

0:58 Lee There will be spoilers, there will be swearing, I'm sure.

1:02 Lee so yeah, let's crack into it.

1:04 Lee What did you guys think?

1:07 Chris You go first, Adam.

1:08 Adam Yeah.

1:09 Chris You should do as you haven't seen it, that's that's the rule.

1:13 Adam Okay.

1:13 Adam

1:15 Adam Yeah.

1:15 Adam

1:17 Adam An entertaining, entertaining enough film.

1:19 Adam

1:21 Adam I feel.

1:22 Adam this was Bobby's by the way, this was Bobby of Not For Everyone's film that he mentioned that me and Chris had not seen, and yeah, it was yeah, an entertaining enough film, a film that I spent the first 40 minutes of going, this isn't as bad as people reckon.

1:36 Adam Why are people moaning about this?

1:39 Adam And then it sort of takes a few choices and a few roads and stuff like that and you're like, oh yeah, I'm beginning to see the the wheels falling off this a bit.

1:47 Adam

1:48 Adam But yeah, the the thing I would say is it reminded me.

1:53 Adam That felt like someone trying to make a John Carpenter movie.

1:58 Adam But.

2:00 Adam They weren't John Carpenter.

2:02 Adam And it was 2003, so you had to make a two-hour film.

2:07 Adam Because the way Claire watched it with me and her her take on it was that it was like watching a director's cut.

2:14 Lee Yeah.

2:14 Adam Because it was like there's a lot in here that feels like it's now in here because it's the director's cut rather than this is the theatrical version that's a bit more snappy.

2:19 Chris Needed.

2:20 Adam You know.

2:20 Chris Yeah.

2:21 Adam But

2:22 Adam And the one thing I would say is it was the receiving a phone call on a gun.

2:30 Lee Yeah.

2:31 Adam So there were there was lots of stuff in this that I really fucking loved, I will say that.

2:36 Adam Getting a phone call on a gun made me realize should have this is basically they should have gone more the John Dies at the End route.

2:45 Adam And maybe not taking themselves as seriously or played up because basically it's people getting their arseholes called out by aliens.

2:53 Chris Yeah, yeah.

2:54 Adam And with farts and burps and everything.

2:57 Chris It seemed for me to go a bit Starship Troopers but still.

3:01 Adam Starship poopers is that.

3:03 Chris Exactly, yeah.

3:03 Adam I mean.

3:04 Lee Yeah, like.

3:05 Lee It was Slither without the humor.

3:07 Chris Yes, effectively.

3:08 Adam Yes.

3:11 Adam Because I think there's you've got a good cast who can do comedic stuff, I mean you've got like like Jason Lee is obviously perfect for something like that.

3:17 Adam And I did feel there were bits where it's like, oh, I wish he'd got Rick and Aide in for this, you know, when it's like they're fighting a shit weasel in the toilet.

3:25 Adam And like there's a man who's been farting.

3:29 Adam And belching his way to death.

3:34 Chris What did they say just as they were, I don't want to see this it's like yeah, yeah.

3:39 Adam I'm.

3:39 Chris That suddenly stepped things up a bit.

3:44 Adam Also, I mean.

3:46 Adam Fucking hell.

3:47 Adam You know, quite the cast.

3:50 Adam All of whom I assume don't mention it that often.

3:52 Adam

3:53 Chris I was surprised to see Morgan Freeman.

3:58 Adam Morgan Freeman was the weirdest one.

4:00 Adam Especially because he's he's got like the top billing even though he's not.

4:06 Lee He ain't up for 40 minutes.

4:08 Chris Yeah.

4:08 Adam He basically doesn't show up within certain, yeah, within about 40 minutes.

4:14 Chris And is it one of his strangest roles that I've seen him in?

4:18 Adam It's his strangest fucking eyebrows I've seen him in.

4:21 Lee They were huge.

4:23 Adam They were fierce, they were attack eyebrows, I believe is the term.

4:27 Adam But but weirdly enough.

4:28 Chris Hard eyebrows.

4:30 Adam It was just, yeah, and you've got like.

4:34 Adam Like I said, you've got Jason Lee, you've got Tom Sizemore's in there, usually plays in slightly harder edge stuff.

4:47 Adam Not necessarily like harder edged in the sort of sense of like, you know, more realistic because we're talking stuff like.

4:55 Adam like he's natural born killers and things like that.

4:58 Adam But you know what I mean, stuff where it's like where his character will usually be in slightly more.

5:02 Adam You know, it's it's rare to see him in a heroic role.

5:05 Chris Yeah.

5:06 Adam Really.

5:07 Lee Tom Sizemore, who I also know is not Michael Madsen.

5:11 Lee Because whenever I see him, I think and I had exactly the same as well with Thomas Jane, who I also know as not Christopher Lambert because.

5:22 Adam Yeah, actually there is.

5:24 Adam Yeah, because because Thomas Jane is probably, although he's like the the main sort of character.

5:31 Adam You know, he's sort of he's not the biggest of the names.

5:36 Adam No, sort of in this, but also he's in The Mist and he's in 1922.

5:40 Adam So he's he does a lot of Stephen King stuff.

5:43 Chris Yeah.

5:43 Lee He was excellent in this.

5:44 Lee I mean, yeah.

5:46 Adam Oh yeah, no, I.

5:47 Adam I mean, I'll be honest, I mean, I was Morgan Freeman, it was like.

5:53 Adam Thought you'd have gone for something a bit classier, Morgan.

5:56 Adam That's kind of the role more than anything, you know what I mean?

6:01 Adam So it was actually quite refreshing that he's like, oh no, this person is in the wrong and is, you know.

6:09 Adam He's doing the right thing but doing the worst thing at the same time.

6:16 Adam So it's like, yeah.

6:18 Adam so you do you need someone with some fucking chops for that.

6:21 Adam But yeah.

6:22 Adam I think and when Jason Lee first appeared, I thought it was Elvis Costello.

6:28 Adam Even though I knew even though I knew that that was impossible for Elvis Costello in 2003 to look like Elvis Costello circa like.

6:36 Lee 1985.

6:38 Adam Yeah.

6:43 Adam And also, I mean, and Damian Lewis, where it was like, that's why Damian Lewis is in it.

6:50 Adam Because they needed someone to do a posh English accent.

6:54 Lee Yeah.

6:55 Adam And it was a a bit like the a bit like the what's it called when we were saying with The Dark Half where I was like, I don't recognize the main actor.

7:06 Adam And what would he normally be doing?

7:10 Chris Yeah.

7:10 Adam And actually, yeah, sort of like, you know, upper class smart ass is what I would expect of Damian Lewis.

7:15 Adam So when.

7:17 Adam But also weirdly, I think that that was that's that didn't quite work for me because.

7:26 Adam I think again, I I quote her regularly now, she's a much better commentator than I am on this.

7:34 Adam But Claire said, do you think they showed this to James McAvoy?

7:41 Adam When he was doing Split and went.

7:43 Adam But not like this.

7:45 Lee Yeah.

7:47 Lee I mean I quite liked that, I mean I thought having the the other voice.

7:51 Lee Was quite a good way of differentiating between the two, I'd kind of forgotten about that, yeah, that he has conversations between himself and the alien which has taken over his body.

8:04 Lee And yeah, it's it's the only way of doing it I suppose to to separate off screen.

8:08 Adam Oh yeah.

8:09 Lee yeah.

8:10 Lee And I thought it was.

8:11 Adam He was just so he was just so jolly as Mr. Gray.

8:14 Adam Yeah.

8:14 Lee Yeah.

8:15 Adam It was it was a.

8:17 Adam It was a bit like if you'd got Hugh Laurie to do House.

8:21 Adam And then been Prince George.

8:23 Lee Yeah.

8:23 Adam As but as the villain, you sort of like, now and I sort of I've sort of gone there, I don't know, mate.

8:30 Adam Timothy Olyphant who I have to confess, I can never recognize.

8:36 Adam And I suspect that he is some form of animal, you know, it's an elephant.

8:42 Adam So.

8:43 Adam But

8:48 Adam Yeah, this

8:50 Adam No, I mean.

8:54 Adam I I mean again, I'm glad I've seen it.

8:57 Adam But it's yeah, it is just sort of entertaining nonsense, I think is the best way of putting it without shadow of a doubt.

9:05 Chris Yeah.

9:08 Adam I was also, I mean, I was also quite, I was quite shocked for a second when it was like.

9:14 Adam Oh, I thought Damian Lewis was in this a lot because he's quite credited quite high.

9:18 Adam And then apparently gets and then gets hit by the car right near the start.

9:21 Lee Yeah.

9:22 Adam And everything.

9:23 Adam But once again, our intrepid author Mr. Stephen King.

9:28 Adam Do you know what had happened, can you guess what had happened to Stephen King just before he wrote this book?

9:35 Lee Did he possibly get hit by a car?

9:37 Chris By a car.

9:38 Adam That's right, yes, yes he did.

9:40 Adam Because everything is his meal.

9:42 Chris Bless him.

9:43 Chris Write write what you know about, yeah.

9:45 Adam Yeah, and actually in his defense, well, not his defense, but he said about the book is it's he said.

9:52 Adam Because obviously like The Dark Half was the last book he wrote before he like cleaned up completely.

9:59 Chris

9:59 Adam But.

10:00 Adam When he wrote Dreamcatcher, he was off his fucking tits on oxycodone and painkillers.

10:05 Adam Because because it was bad.

10:06 Adam He had like a like basically this bloke plowed into him in a van while he was out walking one night.

10:13 Adam

10:16 Adam in 1999 that was.

10:19 Adam

10:20 Adam Hit him with such force that King was flung over the top of the van into a ditch and his glasses end up on the passenger seat.

10:28 Chris

10:29 Adam he had a 30 stitch gash on his forehead, four broken ribs, eight chips in his spine, two serious hip fractures and damage to most of the bones in his right leg including a split knee cap and an exploded tibia.

10:37 Lee Bloody hell that's bad.

10:39 Adam And he had to be.

10:40 Chris Imagine being the person that did that.

10:42 Chris Like.

10:43 Adam Well the guy who did that was was a chap called Brian Smith.

10:47 Adam Who had a long history of driving offenses, including driving under the influence and speeding.

10:52 Adam and apparently his defense in court was that he was distracted by his dog that was loose in the van.

10:57 Adam they tried to get his license taken.

11:00 Chris It's not the best defense I've ever heard of.

11:02 Adam No.

11:03 Adam It's sort of like, I was driving dangerously.

11:05 Chris He's not.

11:06 Adam I thought I was drunk.

11:07 Chris I was drunk.

11:08 Lee Yeah.

11:09 Chris You're meant to do with that.

11:12 Adam Yeah.

11:12 Adam It's it but

11:14 Adam But they they didn't get his basically he got six months in jail and a driving ban for a year.

11:21 Adam Which apparently Stephen King was like, no, I'm we want to get his license.

11:25 Adam But he played to a lesser charge or something like that.

11:28 Adam

11:29 Adam But here's here's the bit where it gets weird and kooky and interesting.

11:33 Adam He was found dead from an accidental overdose of painkillers on the 21st of September 2000, Stephen King's 53rd birthday.

11:42 Chris Oh.

11:44 Adam And they both shared the middle name, Edwin.

11:47 Lee

11:47 Adam And once again, apparently, this guy appears as a book in one of the Dark Tower's books.

11:56 Adam As basically a pissed up bloke in a van who nearly hits Stephen King who is also in the Dark Tower books apparently.

12:05 Adam So, yeah.

12:06 Adam It was.

12:08 Adam Once again.

12:10 Lee It's such a.

12:10 Adam But yeah, so that that sort of came in and it hit me as a third well hit Damian Lewis obviously, but.

12:15 Adam No, hit me as a thing, I was like, oh, that's a bit of a, and then I was like, oh yeah, I remember now, yeah, you got hit by a.

12:21 Lee Right.

12:22 Adam Yeah.

12:23 Chris But so but how close is this to his book?

12:30 Lee Yeah.

12:30 Lee I I don't I'm assuming there's more links to the title because obviously it's called Dreamcatcher and there's a couple of references.

12:36 Chris And they show you the dreamcatchers, yeah.

12:40 Adam Well, I had.

12:41 Adam I had a look into it, obviously I've not I've not read the book because there's a lot of Stephen King I haven't read, so I'm not starting with Dreamcatcher, a book that he is basically said.

12:49 Adam I was off my fucking tits on morphine.

12:53 Adam You know, when I wrote that.

12:55 Adam There's my excuse.

12:56 Adam Having been sober for the best part of 20 years, or whatever he was.

13:02 Chris Yeah.

13:02 Adam And

13:04 Adam But apparently yeah, the Morgan Freeman's character is called Colonel Kurtz, which is obviously an Apocalypse Now reference.

13:12 Adam Which they changed to Curtis because they were

13:16 Adam Because in fairness, that is a thing too far if you've also put in your actually got genuinely your film, we call this Ripley after the.

13:23 Chris So, yeah.

13:24 Lee Yeah.

13:25 Chris So.

13:25 Chris I mean that did seem really odd.

13:26 Chris That there was actual references to Alien.

13:30 Adam So I suppose yeah, because because if he's called Colonel Kurtz and no one mentions it, at that point you're like.

13:35 Adam So this exists in a universe where the film Alien was made, but the film Apocalypse Now wasn't.

13:40 Chris Was it.

13:41 Adam You know, for some reason.

13:43 Adam And yeah.

13:44 Adam And I'm but the apparently there's more backstory.

13:48 Adam Between Morgan Freeman and Tom Sizemore's character.

13:54 Adam To kind of.

13:55 Adam And I saw someone online saying that it makes it seem more it it it gives a better reason for why he would just go, well this bloke's psychic, so I'll follow him.

14:03 Lee Yeah.

14:04 Adam Apparently him and Morgan Freeman had beef back in the day and it was like, so he is kind of, you know, they're they're on a bit of a fuck you relationship anyway that doesn't sort of come across in it.

14:17 Adam

14:19 Adam And Dudits is not an alien.

14:22 Adam he's just a boy with Down syndrome and.

14:26 Chris Okay.

14:28 Chris But then how does he give them telepathic.

14:35 Adam Oh, no, he's he's he's telepathic.

14:37 Chris Oh, okay.

14:38 Adam He's he's he's he's a still a magical person, but apparently it's coincidental compared to the fact that there's aliens.

14:46 Chris Okay.

14:46 Adam And I think it I think in the book also there's like there was something about it's only when.

14:54 Adam I think the reason it's called Dreamcatcher is because it turns out at the end that Jonesy was one of the people immune to the psychic control but did actually but thought he wasn't, so therefore Mr. Gray was able to control him.

15:07 Adam Yeah.

15:09 Adam Which yeah, I don't know.

15:11 Chris But but he was able to hide part of himself from Mr. Gray in in the mind warehouse which most people can't do, I guess.

15:20 Lee No.

15:20 Adam No.

15:21 Chris Just getting taken over completely, yeah.

15:22 Adam Yeah.

15:23 Lee So what do you make of it, Chris?

15:25 Chris yeah, you know, not too far from Adam's summation, it was definitely a lot of fun.

15:32 Chris It's one of those where when you start watching Stephen King, you know, you've you've definitely got expectations.

15:39 Chris And this blew some of them away.

15:41 Chris Because it's like it started off and I was you know, it sort of reminds me of it the way they've they've got the friends and playing back and you know, and then the bullies.

15:51 Chris And it's like.

15:51 Chris I kind of like all that, that's, you know, and I like the way they stood up to them, that all seemed to to be pretty good.

15:57 Chris So you can kind of see how how they become friends, you know, and they stay good friends.

16:04 Chris as they get older.

16:06 Adam It shows that they're good people as well.

16:07 Adam You know.

16:08 Chris Yeah, yeah, and so it's definitely explains the purpose later on.

16:12 Chris

16:13 Chris But then yeah, when it did kind of change, it's like it's definitely fun, but is it almost two different films.

16:20 Chris And and it.

16:22 Chris Like it is sci-fi, but how good is it sci-fi in a sense.

16:29 Chris It's like it's just hard to know if that blend of more serious Stephen King with the craziness is is the best.

16:36 Chris

16:37 Chris But that's where I was sort of thinking, I am still enjoying it.

16:40 Chris So.

16:42 Chris It's, you know, it's hard to know, I I kind of think I probably would need to watch it again.

16:46 Chris To to perhaps appreciate some of the some of the subtleties that might be in there.

16:50 Chris I you know.

16:52 Lee I think.

16:52 Lee I think the reason it doesn't do so well is possibly because the two halves of the film feel so completely different.

16:59 Chris Well, yeah.

16:59 Lee Whatever you're in the mood for.

17:02 Chris No, I yeah.

17:03 Lee The film isn't what you're in the mood for.

17:04 Adam So.

17:04 Lee So.

17:04 Lee You're never quite going to go.

17:06 Lee Oh yeah, I'm quite in the mood for.

17:07 Lee You know.

17:08 Lee I've just watched it, I'm in the mood for something similar.

17:10 Chris Yeah.

17:10 Lee It isn't going to jump out, yeah.

17:12 Chris It's not.

17:12 Lee And if you just want to.

17:14 Chris I wonder if you'd just watch it at the cinema.

17:16 Chris Yeah.

17:17 Chris Would you come out going.

17:19 Chris What did we just watch that.

17:22 Adam Well, the weirdest bit as well is that it's set in Derry, Maine, which is one of Stephen King's fictional towns that he has like Castle Rock and stuff like that and

17:32 Adam Yeah.

17:34 Adam Which is the same town that It happens in.

17:36 Chris yeah.

17:38 Adam And it's like so Derry, Maine is really on like.

17:41 Adam It's like an accident black spot for alien.

17:44 Lee Yeah.

17:45 Adam Incursion.

17:46 Adam Because that was the thing is watching it, I was kind of like I was sitting there thinking, you know, Stephen King doesn't really do sci-fi.

17:49 Adam And then I was like.

17:50 Adam Oh no, It is sci-fi.

17:52 Lee Yeah.

17:53 Adam Because it is like it's like an interdimensional.

17:56 Adam Alien incursion kind of thing.

17:59 Adam But but it's still in that sort of boat, so it's actually weird because it does feel like Stephen King's kind of.

18:03 Adam Redone it, but decided to make it with.

18:06 Chris Yeah.

18:07 Adam Loads of burp casts.

18:08 Chris Yeah.

18:09 Adam Pretty much so.

18:10 Chris But yeah, but there's some really good scenes and, you know, there's some great moments.

18:13 Chris There's some great quotes.

18:15 Chris I thought all the characters were fun and enjoyable to watch.

18:18 Chris I'd say I didn't I wasn't too sure about Morgan Freeman's character because, I guess I've got a view of what I expect from him.

18:24 Chris And that wasn't quite it.

18:26 Chris I can't say I've seen him in that many films, but I probably think of him from Shawshank Redemption, which is also.

18:31 Adam Yeah.

18:32 Adam It's another Stephen King, isn't it?

18:34 Chris Yeah, and so, so that's what I expect.

18:37 Chris When I see him.

18:39 Chris so then it's like is it it's not I mean, maybe a little bit disappointment, but.

18:45 Adam The the last film we did with him in it was Seven.

18:50 Adam Where he is literally the voice of moral reason and decency.

18:55 Chris Like.

18:57 Chris But but equally that's it like it was making me laugh partially because of all of this, so it's like, yeah, okay.

19:04 Chris In that regard, it's it's good, it's hard to say that I would rank it above other things.

19:09 Chris You know.

19:11 Chris But so yeah, so how did you first come across it, Lee?

19:13 Chris What did you go see it in the cinema?

19:15 Lee No.

19:16 Lee No, I didn't.

19:17 Lee I I think it was one of those I used to have a habit back in the day of going on like eBay and going on to horror films and going from cheapest first and just scrolling through until something caught my eye.

19:29 Lee And I've got a feeling that's what this was.

19:30 Lee And I saw it and was like, oh, it's a Stephen King adaptation.

19:35 Lee I'll give it a go on on nothing more than that really.

19:38 Lee so I went in with no idea or expectations.

19:41 Lee And I was like, oh, yeah, that was interesting.

19:44 Lee And I just kind of forgot it existed for yeah, probably a decade.

19:48 Lee And then all of a sudden I was like, oh yeah, that was a, I think it was it's funny enough.

19:55 Lee I think it was when what was the vampire thing.

19:59 Lee That Timothy Olyphant was in with Drew Barrymore.

20:05 Adam Oh Santa Clarita Diet.

20:06 Lee I think it was when that came out.

20:07 Lee And I suddenly went, oh shit, I know him, he was in that weird Stephen King thing.

20:12 Lee yeah, so this is probably the fourth or fifth time I've seen this, I think.

20:15 Adam Yeah.

20:16 Adam Okay.

20:17 Lee but yeah, it's only because every time I watch it and forget everything about it.

20:24 Lee And then I go.

20:24 Chris Yeah.

20:25 Lee Oh, that was a weird.

20:26 Chris Yeah.

20:27 Lee Yeah.

20:28 Lee Like for sure would.

20:29 Lee I think the aliens turn up right at the end, but I don't remember what they look like.

20:34 Lee And every time I put it in and go, this is not what I remember ever.

20:37 Lee So yeah.

20:40 Adam Well, that's that was the thing that it reminded me of as well.

20:43 Adam Is it had that sort of it had that X-Files sort of sheen to it.

20:49 Adam But then I think that that was just such an ingrained thing by then by like 2003, that was like that right.

20:58 Adam That's how every show is done like this.

21:03 Adam And because you obviously had the X-Files and then all the sort of rip offs after it like Dark Skies and the sort of stuff that all followed and it was all in this similar sort of vein.

21:12 Adam And it also had that slightly.

21:19 Adam shot in Vancouver film.

21:23 Lee Yeah.

21:24 Adam That you you know what I mean where it's like well it's we get cheaper rates there.

21:27 Adam I don't I don't know if it was shot in Vancouver or whatever, but it just had that sort of, yeah, just that sort of look to it a bit.

21:35 Lee Yeah.

21:35 Adam

21:36 Adam And actually, I mean, in terms of like effects and everything else like that, okay, it's dated a bit, but I don't think there's anything in there that doesn't stand up and certainly didn't wasn't shonky at the time.

21:48 Adam I think it's just, you know, it's stuff that's just been surpassed really rather than, you know.

21:56 Adam

21:57 Adam But I mean, I thought the the effect of the shit weasels was wonderfully gross and horrible and sort of yeah.

22:05 Adam And if anyone out there can tell me what that because when Jonesy would change into Mr. Gray.

22:15 Adam And he turned around, put his hood up and there was like noise.

22:16 Chris Yeah, there's a noise, yeah.

22:19 Adam Like I know that from somewhere else.

22:22 Adam And I'm sure that you know what I mean, it's obviously just online a sound effect thing somewhere.

22:27 Adam But it's it was like I fucking know that noise.

22:31 Adam And I just could not place it.

22:33 Adam I was looking online, but I don't think clearly no one's as fucking weird as me to like.

22:39 Adam Picked up on a noise.

22:41 Chris Yeah, I mean it definitely stood out to me, but I couldn't place it.

22:44 Lee Some people are very weird.

22:46 Lee Some people apparently have such an obsession with toothpicks.

22:51 Chris Yeah.

22:51 Adam Oh, fuck it.

22:52 Chris That they're willing to try and.

22:54 Lee Why wasn't it cigarettes?

22:55 Lee Or so.

22:55 Lee Like I'd understand it if it was cigarettes and he was a chain smoker and he had to get so, but it was just it's just a toothpick.

23:00 Lee And it's on that disgusting floor.

23:04 Chris But when you get addicted to something, it doesn't matter what it is.

23:05 Chris But yeah.

23:06 Chris Like you would.

23:07 Adam

23:08 Chris Oh, that's it.

23:10 Adam Claire will often Claire will often voice at a certain point that, well, that's it, you're stupid, I don't care, I hope you die during moments in horror films.

23:19 Adam And that was definitely one for her and she was like, I like this character, but no, this is fucking stupid.

23:23 Adam Why can't you die?

23:24 Chris Addiction does make you a bit stupid though, doesn't it?

23:27 Lee Even if he'd kept it in the toilet and got that toothpick, that would still have been what killed him eventually.

23:30 Lee Because the.

23:31 Chris Yeah.

23:31 Adam Well.

23:32 Lee The bacteria.

23:32 Chris Yeah.

23:33 Lee On that.

23:34 Chris Oh, no.

23:34 Lee Floor.

23:34 Lee I was like, you're definitely going to be dead in six months of, you know, dysentery or God knows what.

23:39 Lee So like.

23:40 Adam It was a.

23:40 Chris I mean, not after the guy before's even had to come out of him.

23:44 Chris He's like.

23:45 Lee You're not.

23:45 Chris Yeah.

23:46 Chris You wouldn't want to rush.

23:47 Chris To where you've been already.

23:49 Adam There was a bit later on where someone like just exploded a box of matches and I was like, what is it with you little on tiny bits of wood?

23:56 Adam I can't fucking pee together guys.

23:58 Adam Come on.

23:59 Adam I know he's given I know Dudits gave you psychic powers, but you lot are shit at very small pieces of wood.

24:06 Adam And actually.

24:06 Adam That was another thing because because in my head I'd gone like, oh well, he's been hit in a car crash.

24:10 Adam And he's really injured and everything because that's what happened to Stephen King.

24:14 Adam There was also a part of me that was going, after after after he recovered, was Stephen King doing a lot of DIY at home?

24:18 Adam Because there are at least three different scenes of people walking around a shed looking for something and getting really fucking hacked off.

24:27 Lee Yeah.

24:28 Adam And I just thought, is this is this what happened at home?

24:30 Adam You know, you've got a burst pipe or something.

24:31 Adam I'm fucking I'm just fucking duct tape here somewhere.

24:34 Adam But.

24:34 Lee The character I associated when which I think probably says more about me than it should, or than I should put out there on a recording and the, is the when that they when he leaves Timothy Olyphant with that woman.

24:42 Lee And as he walks off, he says, whatever you do, don't go back to the car for the beer, just stay here and watch her.

24:47 Lee And you see him disappear beyond the trees and I was like, the second he's out of you.

24:52 Lee I'd be like.

24:52 Lee There's a 50% chance I'm going to die and there's a load of beer 100 yards away, I don't I'm if she dies in the meantime, I couldn't have saved her anyway.

24:58 Lee I'm going for that beer.

24:59 Lee Like.

25:00 Adam Yeah.

25:00 Adam I think you're probably and on the basis of what happened to him.

25:04 Adam Yeah.

25:05 Adam He should have just gone and got it.

25:07 Adam And actually, that was another bit as well where it was fucking beaver and Jonesy with the fucking thing trapped in the toilet.

25:14 Adam Where he like had to come back and make a quip and it was like.

25:17 Adam No, that was not the fucking time.

25:20 Lee Yeah.

25:21 Adam Because that's.

25:21 Adam The thing is, I think you can joke that was the bit that was like, yeah, but the absurdity of the situation because I think they got it right as well where they would just like.

25:29 Adam Laughing and slightly awkward every time he was farting and belching, you know, and everything else like that.

25:35 Adam But.

25:35 Adam Yeah, I think that they just they.

25:37 Adam They should have just doubled down on it and just gone, no, we know this is fucking mental.

25:41 Adam But this this it felt a bit like it was like, no, no, we can do it we can do it properly and it's like.

25:49 Adam Morgan Freeman's got eyebrows that are there to prevent pigeons nesting on him.

25:56 Adam And people are getting their bum holes caught out by like toot eels.

26:00 Chris I did wonder when he came back to make to make the joke.

26:03 Chris Was it because he knew there's a chance he was not going to stay seated?

26:05 Chris And it's like.

26:06 Lee Yeah.

26:06 Chris I'm trying to reinforce this.

26:08 Chris And it still didn't stay seated.

26:12 Adam The weirdest part was, and I'm going to count the I'm going to count a bit of watching Star Wars earlier with Ted as research.

26:19 Adam I'm going to claim it for that.

26:21 Chris Which Star Wars.

26:23 Adam it was Desimpia back and strike as the Europeans call it.

26:29 Adam but

26:31 Adam So the director of this is a guy called Lawrence Kasdan, and he's done films like, he directed Body Heat, White, the Accidental Tourist.

26:40 Adam But and get this, he wrote The Empire Strikes Back, the Return of the Jedi, the Force Awakens, Solo a Star Wars story and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

26:46 Chris Yeah.

26:46 Lee Oh.

26:47 Chris I kind of thought I'd recognize his name when you said it.

26:49 Adam Yeah.

26:50 Adam Because I knew the name and I was like, I must have seen something and I was like, I don't think I've seen any of his actual directed films, but yeah.

26:57 Adam He's like just wrote most of the.

27:01 Chris I wondering now, was was the sound effect for the hood, putting his hood up?

27:04 Chris I wonder if.

27:05 Adam I wonder if it's a Star Wars effect.

27:07 Adam Because both of us have clearly just.

27:08 Chris It was a bit.

27:09 Adam Yeah, stuck in there.

27:11 Lee I think that this.

27:12 Adam It could well be.

27:13 Lee This film is clearly written as you say in a drug-induced state.

27:18 Lee But like the the directing of it was pretty good.

27:20 Lee I like I thought he did a really good job.

27:22 Adam Oh, no, I I have no problem with the way it was directed at all.

27:25 Adam I think it was, you know, it it it looked the part.

27:28 Adam I think it's probably just a bit long.

27:30 Lee Yeah, it definitely needed a proper edit.

27:32 Lee But again.

27:32 Lee I think there's so much going on, I don't you're right, it's one of those things where you say two and a quarter hours is way too long.

27:38 Lee But then you think, yeah, but what would I cut out necessarily?

27:42 Lee I'm not sure.

27:44 Adam Actually, in fairness, two and a quarter hours, but I still think at that point if you had the rest of the film.

27:50 Adam Two and a quarter hours turns out to be very short because that is a hell of a fucking.

27:55 Adam Full stop.

27:57 Lee Yeah.

27:58 Adam You know, you you need a bit more.

28:01 Adam You know, on that.

28:02 Adam Even if it's just a voiceover from Morgan Freeman to say.

28:05 Chris Yeah.

28:06 Adam But we've we've stopped the aliens.

28:08 Adam And everything was fine.

28:09 Adam Or you know.

28:09 Lee Yeah.

28:10 Lee It was literally within, you know, that they killed the big bad and less than 10 seconds later the film's over.

28:14 Lee You're like.

28:15 Lee Whoa.

28:16 Lee Jesus.

28:16 Adam And they do that weird thing in the credits where it was just like, oh, well, just show them all sitting around a table having a lot it's like what to remind us that all but one of them has been fucking killed.

28:24 Adam Or two of them have been killed, but there's been a lot of.

28:27 Adam You know, drilled out bits and spores and so on and so forth.

28:31 Adam And that

28:32 Adam I it's unfortunate because I think the CGI would be better now.

28:35 Adam But I did love the.

28:37 Adam Animals running through the just just as a concept, that would just be.

28:42 Lee Yeah.

28:43 Adam Shit.

28:44 Lee Yes.

28:44 Lee I mean it's.

28:45 Adam Something.

28:45 Lee Going on.

28:46 Adam Although again, this was something that Claire discussed, it's like, yeah, there's a lot of animals running past here, including bears.

28:53 Adam I'd get back inside the house.

28:55 Lee Yeah.

28:56 Adam Because I know that they're clearly worried.

28:59 Adam But they're fucking bears.

29:00 Adam And I don't want to I don't want to mess with a bear.

29:03 Adam On a good day.

29:04 Adam And this is clearly not a good day for this bear.

29:06 Adam So.

29:09 Lee yes, so it's to surmise.

29:13 Lee It's a, I mean, I think it's a loose recommend.

29:16 Lee I think if you if you're at a loose end and it's on TV, watch it.

29:21 Lee Like I don't.

29:21 Chris No, I.

29:22 Chris I absolutely enjoyed watching it.

29:25 Chris Yeah, I just don't quite know what to make of it now.

29:27 Lee Like.

29:28 Adam And for Stephen King fans, I think it's very close.

29:31 Adam You know.

29:31 Adam I I gather that.

29:32 Chris Yeah.

29:32 Lee Kingism.

29:32 Chris Yeah.

29:33 Adam It's got enough it's got a lot of his hall marks in there, including including fucking psychotic bullies, you know, in flashback.

29:36 Adam So.

29:40 Lee right.

29:40 Lee So we are going to be returning in a fortnight's time as usual with our what we've been watching.

29:45 Lee and then after that, we are going to instead of doing a two-part month, we are going to do three episodes back to back.

29:52 Lee Adam has come up with an excellent point.

29:55 Lee It's 20 years since Shaun of the Dead has come out, we've managed to make it nearly 200 episodes and we haven't covered it yet, so it's definitely well overdue.

30:04 Chris You got to save some some gold for.

30:06 Chris Later on.

30:07 Adam Some fright gold.

30:08 Lee Yeah.

30:10 Lee so we are going to be covering in the subsequent three episodes the Cornetto Trilogy.

30:10 Lee

30:13 Lee Which, you know what, it doesn't matter what mood I'm in, it doesn't matter what time of day it is, I can sit down and put any of those films on and have a great time.

30:20 Lee So I'm really looking forward to doing this.

30:22 Lee I think it's a great idea.

30:23 Chris It turns a bad day into a good day and a good day into a great day.

30:28 Adam Hey.

30:30 Lee Very much.

30:30 Adam Can can we use that as just the quote for the podcast?

30:33 Lee That's.

30:37 Lee Right, so thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

30:40 Lee possibly go and check out Dreamcatcher.

30:43 Lee But, you know, don't.

30:43 Lee Don't go nuts.

30:45 Lee

30:45 Adam What, watch it.

30:48 Adam Don't pay for it.

30:49 Lee Yeah.

30:50 Lee I think that's a that's a good.

30:52 Adam If it's on telly.

30:53 Adam If it's on telly, definitely watch it.

30:54 Chris If I just turned it on, I would I would leave it on absolutely.

30:59 Chris I'd be like, yeah, I'm going to this is this is got my attention, definitely.

31:00 Lee I mean.

31:01 Lee I don't regret the 1.50 or whatever it cost me to buy it in the first place, so.

31:09 Lee Right, yes.

31:10 Lee Thanks ever so much for listening, everybody.

31:12 Lee Go and check out the not for everyone podcast.

31:15 Lee And.

31:17 Lee We will see you in a fortnight's time for all the shit we've been watching in between.

31:21 Lee Thanks very much.

31:22 Lee Good night.

31:23 Chris Good night.

31:24 Adam Good night.