My Bloody Banjo

0:23 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror. I'm Lee.

0:26 Chris I'm Chris.

0:27 Adam I'm Adam.

0:28 Lee Hey! And we're here yet again for the second part of trauma month when we are covering 2015's My Bloody Banjo.

0:40 Chris

0:40 Lee so right off the bat, we'd like to say thank you very much to Liam Reagan for for the chance to see this movie.

0:49 Chris Yeah, absolutely.

0:50 Lee We after eating Miss Campbell, we were very excited all of us to to find out that there was a a prequel to it as it were.

0:58 Lee so yeah.

0:59 Lee It's yeah, it's very good. And and he got he heard us talking about it on the episode and got in contact, so yeah, and and just just to be clear, Liam Reagan is the writer and director of My Bloody Banjo and Eating Miss Campbell.

1:42 Chris Yeah.

1:55 Lee Not just a helpful chap who pointed us in direction.

1:59 Lee So yeah, thanks very much for that.

2:01 Adam I I'm going to go further and say he's a gentleman.

2:04 Lee He is a gentleman, I would definitely say.

2:05 Lee And he's very good to follow on Instagram, I've got to say, he puts up loads of like funny stuff, trauma stuff and yeah.

2:12 Adam And and a lot of Rick and Ade as well, which is beautiful.

2:16 Lee Which obviously makes us hugely happy.

2:18 Lee I see you're wearing a bottom T-shirt today, Adam.

2:20 Adam Yeah, that's purely by accident, but there we go.

2:24 Lee so warning as ever, there will be spoilers and there will be swearing.

2:30 Lee but we were just discussing whether to do this spoiler-free, so this movie has been released previously, but heavily edited.

2:39 Lee the director's.

2:40 Adam The director's cut is available.

2:42 Lee directly.

2:42 Adam Directly.

2:43 Lee From the website.

2:44 Lee So if you go to Refuse Films.com, you can pre-order a copy of this. There's only a thousand copies, so it's a get out there and get yourself a copy.

2:44 Adam Refuse Films.

2:58 Lee Eating Miss Campbell is also coming out a limited edition of a thousand copies, which I will certainly be gonna gonna be tracking down.

3:04 Lee

3:06 Lee And although we will be telling the story, those of you who listen every week know, we don't go through the the full film blow by blow, so don't feel that if you've not managed to get hold of it yet and you hear us discussing it, we're not going to have spoiled anything because.

3:24 Lee We were saying, these trauma films are very much in the execution, it's about the performances and the over-the-top gore and the the overall fun of it.

3:33 Lee So don't think just because you've heard this, you go, fuck it, I don't need to see that now.

3:36 Lee You do, you really do, trust me.

3:37 Chris Yeah, it's all in the experience.

3:39 Chris I'll just I'll just say get in there, get a director's cut, not too hard if you want to keep your banjo intact.

3:47 Lee Yeah.

3:48 Chris I had no idea that this was a thing. I did not know what a banjo was before seeing this.

3:56 Lee I didn't know going in, I was expecting something to do with an instrument.

3:59 Lee So I loved the fact they put it at the beginning.

4:00 Chris Yes, I was like, I was like, why are they telling us? Oh, the second one, okay, I've got some idea now.

4:07 Lee Oh, you'd have known by the end anyway.

4:10 Lee So those like myself naive idiots unaware.

4:10 Chris Yes, you would certainly.

4:15 Lee The banjo is the piece of skin which attaches the foreskin to the helmet.

4:22 Lee and it plays a large part of this.

4:24 Lee Don't laugh at me, Adam, what's it saying the fucking film?

4:27 Adam Well, it's because you started you started I thought you were going to go scientific.

4:32 Chris Yeah.

4:32 Lee And helmet.

4:33 Chris But I think you're right, I think that was the actual.

4:35 Lee That was the description, I thought I'll go with the description.

4:37 Chris The exact one.

4:38 Adam It is the, yeah.

4:40 Adam Which which probably gives you a fair indication of the the tone of the piece, if nothing else.

4:46 Adam I did find out it's called the actual proper term is a frenulum.

4:49 Chris

4:50 Adam Oh.

4:50 Chris Okay. Yeah.

4:52 Adam And you've got and you've got one not only on your penis, but also it's the bit of skin that attaches your tongue.

5:00 Lee that's why I've heard it before, not about that.

5:05 Adam So, yeah, there we go.

5:08 Lee so, yes, let's go in our traditional style.

5:13 Lee So, Chris, what did you make of this film?

5:17 Chris So, we've now watched Miss Campbell, that was my first trauma.

5:26 Chris Then we watched New Class of Newcomb High.

5:30 Chris So, watching this one, I was sort of I wasn't sure exactly I knew it was connected with Miss Campbell, but I didn't I knew it was older, so I just didn't quite know what to expect.

5:43 Chris This was almost harder hitting than eating Miss Campbell, I think, there there's something there's something very raw and gritty about it.

5:52 Chris So it did.

5:54 Chris I say, it grew on me.

5:57 Chris So it was it was, it felt like a bit much.

6:02 Adam I know what you mean.

6:03 Chris To to begin with and then as it went on, I was getting more and more involved and yeah.

6:12 Chris And as the characters developed, I I really started to to sort of.

6:16 Chris It's like it's it's where you, you know, you start to get used to the character and then you sort of feel for them more and their their arc and their progression and so yeah.

6:27 Chris It it felt very kind of satisfying at the end and there there is what I was trying to work out is, do I need to be very drunk to fully get appreciate some of the scenes in this because.

6:37 Chris They're they're they don't hold back, that's that's what I can say.

6:42 Lee That's what I love about independent cinema and and trauma specifically, yeah.

6:47 Lee Is that, no, let's not hold back, let's just go full on, bolts to the wall.

6:52 Lee And yeah, like and this, as you say, this does like right in the first.

6:56 Lee What, sort of 15 minutes, it goes, well.

7:01 Lee Even before that, in the first two minutes, the scene where she empties the condom all over his face.

7:06 Lee It's just hilarious and awesome.

7:09 Adam Can I also say that Pelt are a buckle is an extremely fluid man?

7:13 Lee Yeah.

7:14 Adam Because that is a hell of a load.

7:17 Lee I thought that, I was like, oh my God.

7:18 Lee Is that a week's worth she's got there?

7:19 Lee Like.

7:20 Chris We both that and and the amount of blood he's got.

7:22 Adam That was the thing.

7:23 Adam The amount of blood that came.

7:25 Chris He can shoot quite impressively.

7:27 Adam I was like, yeah, that's probably.

7:29 Adam Yeah, that's got to be a trip to A&E.

7:31 Chris Yeah.

7:35 Lee yeah, it's yeah, it does.

7:40 Lee And that's what I loved, as you say, is the fact that it doesn't.

7:44 Lee Like it kicks straight in this film.

7:49 Lee Like you get that, this is what the film is right from the.

7:53 Chris Does it So if you're prepared for that, but yeah, and and so but the comedy is also kind of gritty.

7:58 Chris As well, it's like it's a certain type of style of comedy that's not necessarily you're not necessarily laughing out loud as much as you are when we talk about it.

8:11 Chris It's like, oh, yeah, it's a bit harsh.

8:14 Chris But and and oh, and and then who's the guy that he gets to he gets him to shoot himself after essentially killing his mom on the phone.

8:22 Chris So again, there's some really dark kind of bits.

8:24 Adam Oh, yeah.

8:25 Chris But yeah, but that's I think as it goes on, it's sort of got more and more entertaining.

8:30 Chris It's it's well.

8:31 Chris Especially when when Ronnie turns up really, I guess that's where it it starts to really change and become.

8:38 Chris It's I guess it's like a horror film of kind of Drop Dead Fred.

8:43 Adam Which apparently was one of the kind of influences on on the character of Ronnie, yeah.

8:47 Lee Oh, really?

8:50 Adam Because because basically it's based on a short film called Confessions of Peltzer that Liam Regan did as the sort of proof of concept for the film, and Ronnie in that is basically he's Ronald Reagan.

9:08 Adam He's like the former American president and living person, Ronald Reagan.

9:15 Adam and

9:17 Adam But there was, do you remember a film called The Tripper?

9:23 Adam That was out.

9:24 Adam It was like, 2006.

9:26 Adam And basically it was a load of people go out and take a load of mushrooms, but then a guy dressed as Ronald Reagan.

9:31 Adam Kills them.

9:33 Lee I've never.

9:34 Adam It was like a weird slasher movie.

9:35 Adam I don't I don't know if it was much cop to be honest.

9:37 Adam I don't think I haven't seen it.

9:39 Adam But there was sort of like people, I think when the short came out, people were sort of drawing comparisons between that.

9:47 Adam But in interviews I've read with Mr. Reagan, I haven't met him, I'm going to say Mr. Reagan.

9:56 Adam

9:57 Adam It sort of like the character kind of developed outside of that anyway, so it didn't make sense for him to remain as Ronald Reagan.

10:06 Adam

10:07 Adam And actually his inspirations were obviously Freddy Krueger, because you do not create a wise cracking horror monster without being influenced by Freddy Krueger.

10:17 Chris Yeah.

10:17 Adam It's just fucking impossible. and but also, interestingly enough, he mentioned Funny Man.

10:28 Chris nice.

10:30 Adam Which which obviously we covered back in episode 20. So going back some time now.

10:37 Adam And again.

10:37 Adam And again, this is the level of ass-backwardness that poor Chris's horror education has come in.

10:40 Adam Is that we showed him Funny Man on episode 20 and then, you know, we didn't actually get round to trauma films until 156.

10:49 Chris Who's in charge of this vessel? What is going on here?

10:52 Lee It's almost as if we just drink beer and make it up as we go along, isn't it?

10:56 Lee

10:57 Adam I think there's also a case of it's also like we go, you know what, I haven't seen in ages, let's put it out.

11:02 Chris Yeah, it does seem to be a little bit of that occasion.

11:05 Adam Yeah.

11:06 Lee Talking of the character Ronnie, I've got to put my hands up.

11:09 Lee And say I was so convinced that actor his mouth, his eyes.

11:14 Lee And his hair and even the prosthetics, I was like.

11:20 Lee If someone told me that was Christian Bale, I would be in no way surprised.

11:24 Lee It looked exactly like Christian Bale.

11:27 Chris Yeah.

11:27 Adam He's like Christian Bale's spitting image puppet.

11:30 Lee I was going to, I was going to say like the end of a peer sketch of Christian Bale.

11:38 Adam Oh, but yeah.

11:40 Adam I mean.

11:41 Adam Well, that the the guy who plays Ronnie, Damien Mortar, is a director in his own right.

11:51 Adam He did a film called Book of the Dead, the Eschertrilogy.

11:55 Adam Which is apparently an anthology zombie film.

11:58 Lee Oh.

11:59 Adam which could be worth checking out.

12:00 Adam But also he's the director of photography and the editor of My Bloody Banjo.

12:05 Lee Wow.

12:05 Adam So.

12:06 Lee Yeah.

12:07 Adam Yeah.

12:07 Adam Nice.

12:08 Adam But again, I think the because I I'm I kind of know what you mean, Chris.

12:12 Adam Because I think when when I watch this, certainly the first 25 minutes, I was kind of like.

12:22 Adam Is this, you know, is this funny?

12:25 Adam Or is this just a relentless?

12:27 Chris Yeah.

12:27 Chris That's it, I was yeah, I was like, should they have given me a hint on this one, but but it really does start to either you get used to it and it's like, yeah, no, I see see it now.

12:36 Adam I I think it's just it's that it again, it's you have to follow that absurdity of trauma.

12:41 Adam Where it's like.

12:44 Adam Literally this, you know, there's so much laid on with a trail.

12:51 Adam It's like literally every person that he interacts with is a fucking asshole.

12:56 Chris Yeah.

12:57 Adam

12:58 Adam And it and to be fair, that's the one thing I did find with the film is that there is that one question that will haunt you all the way through.

13:04 Adam It is, why haven't you just left?

13:07 Lee Yeah.

13:07 Adam Because he's clearly got money.

13:09 Adam Because they're after his money for like when they do the and and so, do you know what I mean?

13:14 Adam So it's not like he's desperately needs to keep the job.

13:18 Adam And you think, yeah, that's a rather toxic working environment, I don't think I'd sort of stay there necessarily.

13:25 Chris Yeah.

13:27 Lee yeah, so we should mention so obviously James Hammond Morton and Danny Thompson.

13:32 Lee

13:34 Lee actually, as as well as Vigo Trego, were in.

13:39 Adam Vigo Trego, yeah.

13:40 Lee We're in Eating Miss Campbell.

13:43 Lee actually.

13:43 Adam As was as was Lawrence Harvey.

13:46 Lee Yes, yeah.

13:46 Lee Oh, yes.

13:47 Lee Yes, you're right.

13:48 Adam Because.

13:48 Lee I definitely need to buy it because it's yeah, it's already disappearing from my memory.

13:53 Lee

13:54 Lee But yeah, so I saw Trego and Clay Von Carlowitz last week, in fact.

14:03 Lee Again, because I after we did Class of Nukem High, I watched Return to Nukem High, they were both in that.

14:11 Lee So yeah, it took me a little while, I was like, because you know, it's it's ten years old now, I think.

14:18 Lee So they look slightly different and I was like, yeah, they definitely look familiar and then I was like, oh yeah, of course it is, it's them, but yeah.

14:23 Adam Well, well, I mean, like, I'll give you.

14:25 Adam I'll give you the background on it, Liam Reagan has always been a trauma fan.

14:30 Adam He said from the age of 11, when he got an X-Rental copy of Toxic Avenger 2 from Blockbuster.

14:37 Adam Apparently his favorite trauma film is Tromio and Juliet.

14:42 Lee Yeah.

14:43 Chris Did we did we talk about that one?

14:45 Adam We did, I think we briefly mentioned it as along with all the others that we listed, yeah.

14:50 Adam Okay.

14:50 Adam Because Romeo and Juliet was kind of like the nineties, was came out in the nineties.

14:55 Adam And that was kind of like a resurgence of it for trauma because, you know, it people people were.

15:00 Chris Oh, was that.

15:01 Chris That was the one that was co-written with James Gunn, who obviously now is.

15:05 Adam Yeah.

15:05 Adam Yeah.

15:06 Chris I think running he's now running the DC universe, isn't he? Like movie universe.

15:12 Chris

15:13 Adam Yeah.

15:13 Adam yeah.

15:15 Adam But

15:16 Adam And so in 2002, Liam Reagan went to a Trauma Convention in the UK.

15:23 Adam

15:23 Adam Dressed as Sergeant Kabuki Man, and he met Lloyd Kaufman, and basically sort of like they sort of stayed in contact.

15:31 Adam And he sent back like they would sort of email back and forth and stuff like that, and when he heard that Kaufman was making Return to Nukem High.

15:40 Adam He flew himself out to Buffalo to offer to work as a production assistant on the film.

15:48 Lee Wow.

15:49 Adam And apparently slept on the floor of a disused funeral home with most of the rest of the cast as well.

15:55 Adam So.

15:56 Adam You, you know, huge sort of trauma, you know, level of luxury, I would say.

16:01 Adam

16:02 Adam And that's where he met Vigo Trigo and Clevon Karlowitz.

16:11 Adam On that film and that's why they're in this.

16:15 Adam So, yeah.

16:16 Adam It does all sort of, yeah.

16:17 Adam

16:19 Adam And apparently he he did he came back for return to Return to Nukem High, and also he's in.

16:26 Adam He's in Shakespeare's Sh*tstorm, but I think he's just like a crowd like in in a crowd character sort of thing.

16:31 Adam Like a background character.

16:33 Adam

16:34 Adam

16:35 Adam And

16:36 Adam But yeah, it's so that's the sort of.

16:40 Adam That's the pedigree behind it and and obviously Lawrence Harvey is probably the biggest horror name.

16:45 Adam Known here mostly for the human Centipede 2.

16:47 Adam

16:48 Adam But also we what was it called, psychopath?

16:54 Adam Do you remember we again this he seems to be in a lot of

17:00 Adam Horror on seas.

17:03 Adam stuff.

17:04 Adam Because he was in I've got it written down, I can't remember it, it's.

17:09 Adam Eagermaniac.

17:11 Adam Which was, do you remember the one it was about the film director?

17:16 Lee Yes, that's right.

17:17 Adam and she was doing eventually she was doing snuff movies.

17:20 Adam But he was in that and again.

17:23 Adam Because.

17:24 Adam The thing is, obviously Human Centipede 2, like one of the sort of harshest things out there.

17:29 Adam but just proves.

17:30 Chris Wait, more more than Human Centipede 1?

17:32 Adam Pretty much.

17:33 Adam Because basically it's because obviously you got Human Centipede 1, excuse me.

17:40 Adam And.

17:41 Adam Then Human Centipede 2, but the story of Human Centipede 2 is that there is a bloke who works in a car park in England who's obsessed with the human Centipede and dreams of making his own human Centipede.

17:56 Adam And he's played by.

17:58 Adam Lawrence Harvey, who's Clive Too Long in this.

18:01 Chris Yeah, okay.

18:03 Adam And basically, yeah, he.

18:08 Adam there's.

18:11 Adam People getting raped with barbed wire, he builds a human Centipede, include and it's but it's kind of a a meta thing whereby it's meant to be that he's been he's seen the film and been influenced by it and he's like a.

18:24 Adam And so.

18:25 Adam But it's done kind of like black and white seventies gritty sort of looking thing, so it kind of in a weird way is meant to be like the true life thing that was inspired by the movie.

18:33 Adam It's an interesting.

18:33 Chris Yeah.

18:34 Chris Okay.

18:34 Adam Interesting.

18:35 Chris Yeah.

18:36 Adam Interesting thing.

18:37 Chris I'm assuming Lee hasn't seen this.

18:39 Lee I've not seen either of them.

18:40 Lee I mean.

18:40 Lee I would.

18:41 Lee and they're definitely both on my list, I just haven't ever quite been in.

18:45 Chris There's always something else that might just.

18:46 Adam The little bit.

18:47 Adam But.

18:47 Adam I I think I think the trouble is is that I think it's one of those things where the longer that.

18:54 Adam Tom Six, the director goes on, the more you feel that it's like.

18:59 Adam Yeah, you are just trying to shock, aren't you?

19:02 Lee Yeah.

19:02 Chris Yeah.

19:02 Adam Because.

19:02 Adam Because I think you can because I because I remember when we first heard about the human Centipede when we went to Fright Fest, and I was just fucking mortified that we had watched it.

19:12 Adam Because I was looking through the like the prospectus or the the brochure, what's the word you were trying to program that we'd got.

19:17 Lee That's it.

19:19 Adam And it was like.

19:20 Adam Have you seen this? Human Centipede, a man stitches three people together, asked to mouth and like to make them his pet Centipede.

19:27 Adam And I was like, that sounds fucking amazing. It was all right.

19:31 Adam You know.

19:32 Adam And but also, if you haven't seen the human Centipede, just watch the human Cent iPad, the South Park episode.

19:38 Adam And you pretty much get you get all the beats and all the jokes that you will make about watching the film.

19:45 Adam

19:46 Adam But yeah, so number two's kind of like, but Tom.

19:49 Adam Because then they did a third one, in which a whole prison is stitched arse to mouth.

19:56 Adam

19:56 Adam And apparently and Lawrence Harvey's in that playing a different character.

20:01 Adam

20:02 Adam And.

20:03 Adam but his latest film, which I I still think has not been ba has still not come out.

20:09 Adam And it's basically a club of middle-aged white women who masturbate over videos of 9/11.

20:16 Adam And at that point it's like, he's just trying to be a hard mate.

20:18 Lee Yeah.

20:19 Lee And that's what I that's what I like about this.

20:21 Lee And and trauma in general, is it it never it never feels like it's trying too hard.

20:25 Lee It's like.

20:26 Lee We've got these wacky ideas and we're going to make them as over the top as humanly possible.

20:33 Lee But yeah.

20:34 Lee It never feels like they're just trying to shock you for the sake of trying to shock you.

20:40 Lee It's always.

20:41 Adam Yeah.

20:41 Adam Isn't it.

20:41 Adam It's almost like it's a byproduct of it rather than.

20:45 Adam As a sort of the the whole reason for it.

20:50 Adam So.

20:51 Adam But.

20:51 Lee And and mentioning him and again.

20:53 Lee And James Hammer Morton and stuff, like the I I just love the performances in this.

21:01 Lee It they were they were that perfect level of over the top, but without becoming annoying, which sometimes characters can do when they when they try too hard.

21:09 Lee With stuff like Die Zombie Bastards and stuff where they try and act wacky and it goes so over the top.

21:15 Lee That it kind of grates on you and it's quite difficult to get into, whereas this, everyone's felt like they hit a balance of being.

21:22 Lee Over the top or an annoying dickhead, but not to the point where you're like, oh, this is annoying me, I don't want to watch it, like it was just right.

21:31 Adam Everyone's everyone's in the right.

21:34 Adam Sort of frame of like, you know, it's it's cartoonish.

21:42 Adam Yeah, so all the ways in which people are vile to Pelt are ludicrously over the top and, you know, cartoonish and everything.

21:55 Adam And I have to say.

21:56 Adam Clayvon Karlowitz, fucking magnificent bastard.

22:01 Adam You know, because you know, he he's so bo-hish.

22:05 Lee Yeah.

22:06 Adam You know, he really is, you know.

22:07 Adam And.

22:11 Chris I did I did get a little little Tom Cruise from him.

22:15 Adam Yeah.

22:16 Adam I got a Tom Cruise sense from him, apart from the fact that he never at any point seem to be standing on a box.

22:21 Chris Yeah.

22:22 Adam I'm also, you know, you know the old, you know, actually I think we need to institute this as a thing, by the way.

22:28 Adam Because obviously you've heard the, you know, when people was like, like I I will hopefully I'm not overstepping the mark, but by saying, you know, friend of the podcast, Liam Reagan.

22:36 Adam

22:37 Adam You know, or friend of the podcast, who, whomsoever.

22:42 Adam I think we should also institute enemy of the podcast, Tom Cruise.

22:45 Adam Was lost.

22:46 Chris Yeah.

22:48 Lee Yeah, if anyone's in any doubt, listen to our Room 101 episode.

22:53 Chris Yeah.

22:54 Lee Where Tom Cruise is mentioned once or twice.

22:57 Adam Yep.

22:59 Lee and that was the other thing with this.

23:01 Lee

23:02 Lee There was so much going on, which I love, like there's there's so much story in it.

23:07 Lee

23:08 Lee Crammed in but but without again, you know, like we've said before.

23:13 Lee It felt really well paced.

23:16 Lee It was although you, as you mentioned, Adam Chris, it's kind of it's kind of all the gritty unpleasantness is front loaded.

23:23 Lee So you get all of that.

23:24 Lee And then then the the second two thirds of the film is just the absolute lunacy once Ronnie steps into the really.

23:30 Lee And it just goes absolutely ape shit.

23:32 Adam And actually and actually the film kind of does go ape shit with Ronnie, it feels like a psychotic break because Pelt's has pretty much wandering through.

23:44 Adam Like the bit where he goes in and they're going, oh, you've got dates pregnant.

23:51 Adam Right, you're going to have to get married.

23:53 Adam And then they're in the church getting married.

23:54 Lee And it's like.

23:55 Adam Yeah.

23:55 Adam This this this is this is quick.

23:58 Adam You know, but it does feel almost like that sort of fugue state of.

24:02 Chris Yeah.

24:03 Adam You know, or or dreamlike sort of thing where it's like, you know, have you just completely lost it at this point?

24:07 Adam You know.

24:09 Adam But I think yeah, because at first I yeah, at first I think I was the same as Chris.

24:15 Adam As I think it was a because at that point.

24:17 Adam You like, oh, just, you know.

24:19 Adam You're going to be much more.

24:21 Adam And I think it.

24:22 Adam I think it also doesn't help how sort of adorable Lawrence Harvey is.

24:29 Lee Yeah.

24:30 Adam In that it's like, how can you be doing this to this poor man?

24:34 Adam You know.

24:35 Adam Look at him.

24:36 Adam

24:38 Adam But yeah, it's.

24:39 Adam Sort of.

24:40 Adam And actually.

24:41 Adam I mean, that's the thing is I would say, I think that Eating Miss Campbell has improved the formula.

24:46 Adam Because I think there.

24:47 Adam I think there's harsher things done said in Eating Miss Campbell.

24:53 Chris Yeah, I was trying to remember.

24:55 Chris Yeah.

24:55 Adam Yeah.

24:56 Adam To various characters, including the main character.

24:59 Adam But I think they managed to you're already on board with the absurdity of it from the start and it's sort of works that way.

25:06 Adam Also.

25:07 Adam I think the thing is by having it in school, you again that you don't have that thing of, well, why don't they just leave.

25:15 Adam And it's like, well, because you're stuck there, it's fucking school.

25:17 Adam You all got to go.

25:18 Lee Yeah.

25:19 Lee Yeah.

25:19 Lee But that's it, I mean, because I watched this with Lady Jennifer.

25:23 Lee And yeah, I sort of said to her the same as you guys, I was like, well, they keep saying, you know, he's got this lovely house and stuff, why is he keep going to this job?

25:33 Lee They can't possibly pay him a decent wage, why does he keep going?

25:37 Lee And she was like, yeah, just because you got a nice house.

25:39 Lee Doesn't mean you got loads of money in the bank and a nice house always costs you an absolute fucking fortune.

25:43 Chris That's true.

25:43 Lee Yeah, yeah, she's got a point, yeah.

25:46 Chris I suppose he's he's pretty broken as well, he probably doesn't have any confidence in going doing anything else.

25:52 Chris So he's just that's it.

25:53 Adam Yeah.

25:53 Lee And Danny's waiting for him at home.

25:55 Lee So like.

25:56 Lee We've all been in that relationship where you take a massive amount of abuse because you're like, well, yeah, but they're hot, aren't they?

26:04 Adam Yeah.

26:04 Lee We've done it.

26:05 Adam You will be.

26:05 Adam Yeah.

26:07 Adam Still doing it, mate, you know, not that not that.

26:12 Adam She'd knock the fuck out of me.

26:17 Lee yeah, I loved the the end of this film as well.

26:20 Lee The whole time I was just like, where is this.

26:23 Lee I couldn't work out how it was going to end up wrapping up.

26:26 Lee yeah, so the the final scene that when it goes down.

26:31 Lee With but because you start to get an idea of where it's going with the kitchen scene with Ronnie, but then that turns into what looks like the best night out ever.

26:40 Lee And you kind of forget about it.

26:43 Chris Forget what's yeah, what the plan is, yeah.

26:45 Lee Which is which is great, it kind of misdirects you away from it.

26:50 Lee When they just go out on this lunatic drunken night of just getting on it and getting tattooed and juggling eggs and God knows.

27:00 Lee And it yeah.

27:01 Lee It was just.

27:02 Lee It was such a such a great montage of like a night out and I was like, yeah, that's I've had nights out that feel like a five minute montage.

27:09 Lee Like.

27:10 Adam Yeah.

27:12 Adam But I I think also you've got because.

27:16 Adam I I like the thing as well because it was it reminded me a bit of American Werewolf, where.

27:24 Chris

27:26 Adam He starts also hallucinating the victims like, you know, we say victims, he starts hallucinating the people who get killed because they're fucking asking for it.

27:36 Lee Yeah.

27:36 Adam Yeah.

27:37 Adam So.

27:38 Adam Let's just put that out there.

27:38 Adam But

27:40 Adam But yeah, and but obviously because he's already got Ronnie's his is acknowledged all the way through.

27:49 Adam Ronnie is his imagination, Ronnie is that, you know.

27:53 Adam And

27:54 Adam So, yeah, I liked that when they started bringing them in as well, because it just sort of like.

27:59 Adam Again, and like I say, just a vote.

28:02 Adam American Werewolf for me as well.

28:04 Chris Yeah, yeah, definitely.

28:05 Adam Oh, it's good.

28:08 Adam But.

28:09 Adam But I have to say.

28:10 Adam I mean.

28:11 Adam And also like Vigo Trego or Trego, fucking hell, you know.

28:20 Adam I can see.

28:21 Adam I can see why they wanted to bring back Mr. Sawyer and they wanted to bring back Deeds for Eating Miss Campbell, and even even though he's still called Clive Too Long.

28:33 Adam

28:34 Adam It was a much.

28:34 Adam It was a much different relationship in Eating Miss Campbell, because.

28:38 Chris Yeah.

28:38 Adam Yeah, reading about it whether it was a sequel or not, or you know, whether this because that was the other thing that threw me as well.

28:46 Adam Because I was like, I thought to myself, oh.

28:49 Adam Well, I know these characters in my head, I was like, oh, well, these characters will all go on to be in the next film.

28:55 Adam But it's not really a sequel, it's a sort of I think he described it as how like.

29:00 Adam He said Mallrats to Clerks.

29:02 Chris Oh, okay.

29:03 Adam You know where it's like, you've got same characters in there, but it's a different feel.

29:08 Adam It's a different sort of way of doing it.

29:10 Adam

29:12 Adam So, yeah, so when Clyde dies, I was sort of, oh, so maybe we're not.

29:19 Adam You know.

29:19 Adam It doesn't link that way then or anything else like that.

29:21 Adam So.

29:24 Adam And also.

29:24 Adam The I mean, that was just if you want a sort of incapsulated trauma moment, it's definitely got to be the face melting.

29:32 Adam Yeah.

29:33 Adam Definitely.

29:33 Lee Yeah.

29:34 Adam Face melting at the end with the eye popping out and everything, that was just.

29:38 Adam That was, you know, that's your trailer moment and everything.

29:40 Adam But it's

29:42 Adam But yeah.

29:42 Adam And

29:43 Adam Also, just a couple of references, Han and Lotta is the reference to Frank Han and Lotta.

29:48 Adam The guy who did Frankenhooker, Basket Case trilogy, Bad Biology and Brain Damage.

29:54 Lee Oh.

29:54 Adam So and that's where that comes from.

29:55 Adam And the stuck on you T-shirt that he's wearing through a lot of it, that's a that's one of Troma's early films.

30:02 Adam Like one of their sex comedies from about 82, I think it is.

30:05 Adam So that's like that technically vintage.

30:07 Lee Yeah.

30:08 Lee Actually you're saying about references.

30:09 Lee I did keep thinking that with Clive Too Long, I was like, is that a reference to Too Long from Puppet Master?

30:14 Adam It is.

30:15 Lee Oh it is.

30:15 Adam It is.

30:16 Lee Yeah.

30:18 Adam I did I did see that as well, yeah.

30:20 Adam So.

30:21 Lee That's it.

30:21 Lee Oh, that's serious.

30:22 Adam Yeah.

30:23 Lee But yeah.

30:23 Lee Again, you can see that you can see that sort of crossover as well, that world, again, it's it's it's a different type of.

30:29 Lee Crazy idea, but yeah, it's it could almost like the the full moon and.

30:34 Lee Trauma of almost got a crossover.

30:35 Lee Not quite, they're they're very different.

30:36 Lee But you can see how the two of them are quite similar in their production style.

30:39 Lee And.

30:40 Adam And obviously you've got Lloyd Kaufman's cameo in this, he's the doctor.

30:46 Lee

30:46 Adam which apparently was he, you know.

30:51 Adam Liam Reagan said, oh, you know, do you want to appear in it.

30:55 Adam And he just came over.

30:56 Adam Did it in a day, went on.

30:58 Lee Yeah.

30:58 Adam

30:58 Lee Oh.

30:59 Adam Oh, that's great.

31:00 Adam Yeah.

31:00 Adam Yeah.

31:00 Adam Yeah.

31:00 Adam

31:01 Adam Yeah.

31:01 Adam Yeah.

31:02 Adam

31:02 Adam But yeah.

31:03 Lee Great to see him.

31:04 Adam But I think you know, that's always good to see.

31:07 Adam But also I just yeah, and taking them as sort of two together.

31:12 Adam you know, like the two films together, I just want to see the continuing adventures of Deeds Montgomery and Mr. Sawyer.

31:19 Chris Yeah.

31:19 Adam Because I think.

31:20 Chris Yeah, they are some couple of characters certainly.

31:23 Lee Oh, man.

31:23 Lee Yeah, I definitely watch a third one of them without a shadow of a doubt.

31:29 Lee So, yeah, yeah.

31:31 Lee

31:33 Lee Yeah, I just, yeah.

31:35 Lee There was.

31:36 Lee So you mentioned earlier as well, Chris, about the music being quite upbeat and getting you.

31:39 Lee Yeah, I loved that.

31:40 Lee I thought that really.

31:42 Adam

31:43 Adam But again, it's that it's that trauma thing of just sort of like.

31:47 Adam Everything's sort of everything's energy and it doesn't stop.

31:54 Adam Because if there's one, there's one thing.

31:55 Adam I think actually that might be probably why to the effect at the start.

32:00 Adam Is that it doesn't give you any breathing space.

32:03 Adam So you just go from bullying to bullying, to bullying, to bullying.

32:09 Chris To to some serious Gore, to a bit more bullying.

32:13 Adam Also, you know, top marks, this is clearly

32:17 Adam Clearly prosthetic penises are.

32:20 Lee Yes.

32:21 Adam Part of Mr. Reagan's uvre.

32:26 Lee Yes.

32:27 Adam So I'll be looking forward to whichever prosthetic penis appears in the third film that he does.

32:33 Lee Yeah.

32:34 Lee

32:34 Lee Yeah, just to go back to something you said earlier.

32:36 Lee Chris, as well, you were like, oh, maybe I should have a few beers.

32:37 Lee and you know, I'd enjoy it even more.

32:41 Lee And I think that's, you know, I know I know we mentioned.

32:43 Lee It a bit with the the Class of Nukem High.

32:46 Chris Yeah.

32:46 Lee But but as Adam just said, like the music and everything is such high energy and that's why these films are great, for getting a load of people and sitting around, drinking and chatting and having a laugh.

32:54 Lee Because they are high energy.

32:57 Lee So you don't get that like, you know, three or four beers in, you start getting that lethargic slump, like with something like this running in the background.

33:03 Lee That you will keep training your attention back to.

33:06 Lee It just keeps goosing you and waking you back up.

33:08 Chris Well, that's what yeah, I definitely thought this built really well.

33:10 Chris It yeah.

33:12 Chris It just kept getting better all the way through to the end.

33:15 Lee Yeah, we should definitely do that one night actually, is get a film like this on and get the three of us together.

33:22 Lee Maybe turn the mic on and have it running and just.

33:26 Lee See what happens.

33:27 Adam Yeah.

33:28 Lee But.

33:28 Adam Well, if if any if people out there would be interested in hearing that.

33:31 Adam Just let us know at Instagram and places.

33:36 Lee And all the other stuff.

33:37 Adam Yeah, the other the other places where we will ignore you.

33:39 Adam And I'm sorry about that.

33:41 Lee yes.

33:42 Lee So I mean.

33:43 Lee This is definitely a recommend from me.

33:45 Lee As I said before, you can go and pick it up at refusefilms.com.

33:48 Lee You can pre-order your.

33:49 Adam Copy.

33:50 Lee There's only.

33:50 Lee There's only a thousand.

33:51 Lee So don't hang around, get stuck in.

33:53 Adam It's it's Blu-ray, it's it's any region and loads of extras on both of them, Eating Miss Campbell and My Bloody Banjo.

34:00 Lee Yeah, you'll definitely get your money's worth.

34:01 Lee And again, as we said before, these films have got such a rewatchability because there's so much going on and then it is a film you'd watch with one group of friends.

34:09 Chris Yeah.

34:10 Lee And then you can watch it six months later with a different group of friends.

34:13 Lee So you'll you'll keep pulling it off the shelf, I think.

34:16 Lee So yeah, definitely a recommend from us.

34:18 Lee thanks again to Liam Reagan for allowing us to see this.

34:23 Chris Yeah, absolutely.

34:23 Lee

34:24 Lee Also.

34:25 Lee We would like to give a massive thanks as well to Nicholas Tomnay.

34:31 Chris

34:32 Lee Who we mentioned, he's the writer and director of The Perfect Host.

34:35 Lee The film we covered a few weeks back.

34:38 Lee he got in contact with us randomly.

34:41 Chris Yeah.

34:42 Lee yeah.

34:44 Lee And gave me the buzz of the weekend.

34:46 Lee It was awesome.

34:47 Lee

34:48 Adam Yeah.

34:49 Adam And he's got he's got a new film coming out.

34:52 Adam Well, he's currently sort of I believe he's submitting it to festivals and everything.

34:55 Adam So.

34:56 Adam Yeah.

34:57 Adam I'll be absolutely.

35:00 Chris Yeah, really excited to.

35:01 Adam Yeah.

35:01 Adam I really.

35:01 Adam I really, really would like to.

35:03 Chris It still seems mad that that the perfect host was his debut film.

35:07 Adam Oh, yeah.

35:08 Adam Well, I I to be honest, it's still fucking mad.

35:10 Adam That no bugger's seen it.

35:12 Chris Well, yeah, yeah.

35:12 Chris Make sure to change that.

35:13 Adam We've had some we've had some lovely feedback from a few listeners who have.

35:16 Chris

35:17 Adam checked it out now, and yeah.

35:20 Adam Again, pretty much the same universal thing.

35:23 Adam It's like, that's fucking brilliant.

35:25 Adam Why I've never heard of it.

35:27 Lee funnily enough, just last night, Lady Jennifer and myself went to visit previous guest show on the guest on the show, Chris.

35:33 Lee yes.

35:34 Lee To show him the perfect host, he'd never seen it and we discussed it, yeah.

35:38 Lee And without spoilers, and he was already sold on it.

35:40 Lee So

35:42 Lee Yeah.

35:43 Adam Nice.

35:44 Lee So very excited for that.

35:45 Lee What You Wish For is the new film that Nicholas Tomnay is working on.

35:49 Lee So yeah, keep an eye out for that and if you get the opportunity, I'm sure it'll be great to see.

35:54 Adam I believe I believe that there is I believe there's an Instagram account for that, certainly that we are following.

36:01 Lee I'll be jumping on that as soon as we get on.

36:02 Adam Yeah.

36:03 Lee just very quickly, to wrap up.

36:06 Lee Next week we are going to be doing something completely different.

36:09 Lee we thought we'd mix it up a bit, so next week instead of what we've been watching and not just because I've got into It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for the first time and have not watched anything apart from that for the last month.

36:22 Lee we are going to be doing in the horror theme, we are going to be covering our own brushes with things that could be considered supernatural, so the three of us will be bringing our own stories of the super, not not stories of.

36:36 Lee Yeah, not stories of supernatural, but stories of yeah.

36:40 Chris The paranormal and the weird.

36:41 Lee the unexplained, yes, and we've never really addressed our opinions on this particularly.

36:46 Lee Obviously, the supernatural and the unexplained is a massive part of a lot of the films that we cover.

36:53 Lee So we thought it had just be nice to kind of have a an open roundtable discussion of the three of us about the subject in general.

37:00 Lee And yeah, our brushes with it and how convincing or not they've been.

37:06 Chris

37:07 Lee So, yeah.

37:07 Lee So that's something a bit different.

37:09 Lee So spooky stories ready for you next time.

37:11 Lee go and check out My Bloody Banjo.

37:13 Lee Go and check out Eating Miss Campbell.

37:16 Chris Prepare yourself.

37:17 Lee Prepare yourself.

37:17 Lee Go and watch the perfect host again.

37:20 Chris Again.

37:21 Lee and we will see you all in a fortnight's time with some spooky shit.

37:25 Lee Thanks very much, ladies and gentlemen.

37:26 Lee Good night.

37:27 Chris Good night.

37:27 Adam Good night.