28 Days Later

0:24 Lee Good evening and welcome to Horror, I'm Lee.

0:27 Chris I'm Chris.

0:28 Adam I'm Adam.

0:29 Unknown I'm Claire.

0:30 Adam Yay!

0:32 Adam Claire's back!

0:34 Lee As promised, we're back for our second of our 90s birthday episodes.

0:40 Lee Um, with

0:43 Adam I've just got to raise my hand and apologize for several mistakes, including uh, this is actually 2002.

0:51 Lee It is, yes.

0:52 Adam But it just feels 90s, so...

0:55 Lee It looks like an episode of fucking EastEnders, but we'll get into that when we get to. Come on.

0:59 Adam I also, I also have to apologize for last week's podcast where I said uh about the podcast, really disliking uh Anthony Hopkins, when I actually meant Sir Matthew Hopkins, um, but there we go.

0:17 Lee I didn't pick up on that either.

0:19 Lee Um, but I did listen to the episode, uh, yeah, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

0:22 Lee So, well done, looking forward to tomorrow's.

0:25 Chris I think we need to be a bit careful about apologies because we could go on for a long time, I'm sure.

0:31 Lee Yeah, we could be here all night.

0:32 Adam That's true.

0:34 Lee The way you put your hand up, Adam, I was like, did he want me to high five him?

0:37 Lee Because like

0:38 Chris Yeah.

0:39 Lee Yeah, I was just I thought there was a number five different part coming out. I don't know what I'm going to do.

0:43 Adam Yeah, no, no, it would have been high five and then big tens.

0:47 Adam But

0:48 Unknown I'm in the room and doing the other section.

0:51 Unknown You're my wife, so I'm quite happy to make it like a bit of a prank.

0:55 Adam Thanks.

0:55 Unknown You're welcome.

0:57 Adam Fucking patriarchy.

0:01 Lee I am currently pouring a beer in celebration of, uh, your birthday, Claire, so

0:07 Unknown Oh!

0:08 Lee Happy birthday!

0:08 Unknown I've already got tomorrow.

0:11 Lee Lovely, lovely!

0:12 Chris Cheers.

0:15 Lee Yeah, have a drink on, everybody, unless you're listening to this in the car and then, uh, you know, maybe don't.

0:20 Adam Oh!

0:21 Chris Yeah, and just do a pretend drink.

0:26 Lee Uh, yes, so we're here for the second of our birthday episodes in a row, um, to cover, uh, 28 Days Later.

0:35 Lee Um, so we will get into why we are covering that when we get into the episode.

0:41 Lee Um, but before we get into the episode,

0:44 Lee Chris, what have you been watching since our last episode?

0:48 Chris Right, so I was going to try and do this in a what hints can I give you who's going to get it first.

0:53 Chris I think I possibly did that last episode.

0:55 Chris So I must be like

0:56 Adam Oh!

0:57 Chris Oh, good, good try.

0:58 Chris That was like, that is, that was getting right in there.

0:02 Chris But no.

0:04 Chris Um, so, let me try and give you a few hints that I've got here.

0:07 Chris Um, that doesn't give it away immediately, Alex Garland was involved.

0:13 Adam Devs.

0:15 Chris Oh, very good, I definitely need to watch that, I've been told that and you saying that tells me I should.

0:21 Chris And, but no.

0:24 Chris Um, Daniel Boyle was also involved.

0:27 Adam Um, Sunshine?

0:31 Chris Great answer, no.

0:33 Adam Ah!

0:34 Lee The 2012 Olympic opening ceremony?

0:37 Chris Oh, come on, you're all doing really well.

0:40 Chris That, that would have been impressive if I'd watched that again.

0:42 Chris It was good, I did quite like it.

0:44 Chris Um, Robert Carlyle was also involved.

0:49 Adam Um, 28 Weeks Later.

0:53 Chris Yeah!

0:54 Chris That is, um,

0:55 Chris very good, Adam.

0:58 Chris So, yeah, I thought after having watched 28 Days Later, why not carry on?

0:03 Adam Had you seen it before?

0:04 Chris Well, it turns out I had and I didn't realize it, but, but I'd also completely mixed up it with 28 Days Later and I'm probably going to do the same again tonight.

0:17 Chris So, yeah, some of the scenes in it I'd kind of thought were probably in 28 Days Later.

0:20 Chris I'd completely forgotten so much of 28 Days Later.

0:24 Chris When I was watching, I was like, I did not remember all of this with the military guys.

0:30 Chris And that, that whole, you know, dark side of it and, and realizing that actually that's what a lot of the film is about, is human nature aspect.

0:35 Chris Whereas before in my head it was just the zombies really and the fact that it wasn't, they weren't zombies, it was from, um, a virus.

0:48 Lee You must be the only person, Chris, to watch 28 Days Later and immediately think, well that wasn't fucking bleak enough.

0:54 Lee What I now need

0:55 Chris Yeah.

0:55 Lee More of that.

0:56 Chris Yeah.

0:56 Chris Totally.

0:57 Chris I totally, I was watching, I was like, yeah, do not remember it being this dark at all.

0:02 Chris Um, so, yeah.

0:04 Adam Oh, fuck, yeah!

0:04 Chris Yeah, um,

0:06 Adam What, what we'll do is, because, because every, I'm just, just to annoy people, I was thinking I might refer to people in 28 Days Later by the roles that they are now much more famous for.

0:20 Chris Mm.

0:21 Adam So I was going to say, so Tommy Shelby and Miss Moneypenny are going along with the meg. I knew it.

0:26 Adam And so if any, so if you do the same, so if any point you say Big B or Luther, we'll know that you've mixed it up and you're talking about 28 Weeks Later.

0:38 Chris That sounds good.

0:40 Adam Ha!

0:43 Lee Excellent, so, so without any spoilers of the first film, did you enjoy, you obviously enjoyed the first one, but what did you make of the second one comparatively?

0:52 Chris Yeah.

0:54 Chris So, I did, I did, no, I did, I really, I really liked it.

0:58 Chris But I was, when watching it, I was like, well, done now because I have seen it, what have I mixed up and so I was a bit unsure and I was thinking, did I, actually, no.

0:04 Chris Tell you what, the bit that had stuck in my mind from 28 Weeks Later was Robert Carlyle running away from the house and jumping in the boat and obviously leaving his wife behind, that, that stuck in my head.

0:18 Chris I didn't remember much of the rest of it for some reason, but, um,

0:23 Chris And some of that I'd sort of perhaps made me think badly of it.

0:28 Chris I don't know, it just somehow had that effect.

0:31 Chris But then on watching it again this time it's like, no, I think that's, that's really well done.

0:35 Chris Like it is actually again a good look at humanity and, you know, when you get in difficult situations, the choices you make and people's good and bad sides and how a lot of it is, um, although I think this is in 28 Days Later, like

0:46 Chris how many mistakes are made when people are emotional and absolutist, they're like, well, this is what we got to do and we're doing this and forget what, you know, you're not sort of looking at the bigger picture, you're just like, well, I'm dealing with this now and I'm right, so you can shut up and get on with it.

0:07 Lee So, Adam, what have you been watching?

0:11 Adam Only thing I've been watching is I've been rewatching

0:14 Adam the sitcom Monster, which is by the Belgian theater company Abattoir Fermé.

0:23 Adam Um, I think I've mentioned it on the show before, it's really good.

0:26 Adam But the main reason I've been rewatching it is they've just done a feature film which looks equally as fucking insane and gory and weird and, yeah, everything else that I like from Monster.

0:40 Adam But the Monster is like a six-parter about a director who makes shock movies on a budget.

0:48 Adam Um, but he is entirely insane as is his cast.

0:53 Adam And, yeah, but it's well worth checking out.

0:56 Adam But yeah, keep, keep your eyes out, there's a, there is a couple of trailers out for the film which is called Hotel Poseidon.

0:03 Adam And does look, it, looks up my street, I'm hoping I'm, I'm hoping it'll be available fairly soon.

0:10 Adam I think it's playing FrightFest, but, uh, I do not know.

0:15 Adam So,

0:16 Adam and that's literally all the weather.

0:20 Lee Claire.

0:21 Lee Um, obviously, we, it's been a while since you've been on, um, and we know that you've been watching along with Adam, which we're, we're always hugely excited to hear that you're, uh, you have become a convert.

0:33 Lee Um, yeah, so are there any films that you've watched recently that you, uh, particularly enjoyed?

0:40 Unknown Well, one sticks out and that was that Kurt Russell film we watched last week.

0:45 Adam Oh, Bone Tomahawk.

0:47 Unknown Yeah.

0:49 Chris You weren't keen.

0:51 Unknown It wasn't, it wasn't shit, but I feel like if I didn't speak English I'd have enjoyed it more somehow.

0:58 Lee That is Quentin Tarantino in a nutshell.

0:03 Unknown Yeah.

0:03 Adam Yeah, actually, yes.

0:05 Unknown Yeah.

0:07 Lee You're absolutely right.

0:08 Lee Man cannot write a script.

0:09 Lee He can make it look lovely, he has all the best actors, it's a great storyline, everyone talks like an absolute imbecile.

0:17 Lee You're absolutely right.

0:19 Unknown If you like blood and white ladies' feet, he's the guy for you.

0:26 Unknown Yeah.

0:30 Unknown But yeah, I, I've not watched anything really.

0:33 Unknown Just, uh, just shitty kids cartoons.

0:39 Unknown Um, and that's it, that's my life now.

0:43 Adam Yeah, sorry, mate.

0:46 Adam I think it's quite good, though, welcome to horror.

0:48 Adam I was watching Monster and Claire was playing The Sims.

0:52 Adam But Claire said that she, there, she just kept forgetting it wasn't in English.

0:57 Unknown Yeah.

0:58 Adam Because everything does feel like, you know, you, you know what's happening.

0:03 Adam Yeah.

0:04 Unknown And also, the director, his, has a set of false teeth in that looks so joke shop, I kept forgetting that it's fake, like he'd be, oh no, they're too shit to be a prop.

0:14 Adam Yeah.

0:18 Unknown They've got to be real teeth, but no, they are comedy Vic Reeves teeth.

0:23 Adam Yes, definitely.

0:25 Adam But it's basically, yeah, he's just, um, utterly, um, utterly vile or utterly inappropriate, um, doesn't understand.

0:36 Adam I mean, at one point to get the movie made, their accountant finds the one grant they've not used, which is a, um,

0:46 Adam like equal opportunities employment grant.

0:50 Adam So he decides, right, well, I'll just hire, as he says, I'll hire ethnic minorities and they can play the monsters.

0:57 Adam So he's got like, a couple of black guys, a guy in a wheelchair.

0:02 Adam And it's there sitting there going, so why are we the monsters?

0:06 Adam He's like, yeah, you're right, that, that could come across as racist, couldn't it, I've got it, all the white actors should black up.

0:12 Adam That is, that is how fucking gone Ad Harri Shredder is.

0:18 Adam And it's, yeah, and it's all sort of just ridiculousness.

0:22 Adam It's sort of like half, half gory occult sitcom, half office sort of politics thing of like, yeah.

0:32 Unknown It feels theater, like more than it does TV.

0:36 Adam Yeah.

0:37 Adam Which is where they're from anyway, so, yeah.

0:40 Adam They're just a company that I discovered and thought, that sounds brilliant, but unfortunately, I can never enjoy any of their shows because they'll be in Flemish and then I found out they've done this series and it had subtitles, so I was, yeah, that's what got me in.

0:53 Lee Excellent, I shall be checking that out.

0:55 Lee Um, I've watched a couple of things since our last recording.

0:01 Lee Um, I watched Blood Red Sky on Netflix.

0:03 Adam What?

0:05 Lee Um, which, uh, should also be called 30 Days of Die Hard on a Plane.

0:11 Adam Ha!

0:12 Lee Um, it is, it's, uh, 30 Days of Night-style vampire is, uh, controlling it with drugs and he's on a plane when it gets hijacked, so she allows herself to turn back into a vampire and then picks off the hijackers one by one.

0:27 Lee Um,

0:29 Lee it was, it was good, I quite enjoyed it.

0:31 Lee It could definitely have been half an hour shorter than it was, but,

0:35 Lee I mean, other than that it was passable.

0:38 Lee Um, and then the London Horror Society put a thing up saying, oh, why is nobody talking about The Empty Man from, I think it's possibly 2019?

0:48 Lee Um, it's really good.

0:50 Lee And the reason is because it's exactly the same as us.

0:53 Lee It's really, it's a great concept.

0:56 Lee So, so I'm going to say it's a dog shit write off, but you want, you know, love it.

0:02 Adam Ha!

0:03 Lee Um,

0:03 Lee buy the t-shirt.

0:04 Lee But like it, it's got a great, it's really creepy and it's a really good concept.

0:08 Lee Until the end twist when you go, well, if that's the twist, nothing else that happened in this film possibly have happened.

0:15 Lee So you've just wasted the last hour and 45 minutes by trying to be too smart.

0:21 Lee Um,

0:23 Lee yeah, so I was really pissed off about that, because it was, it was, it was really good until that point.

0:27 Lee It's, it was really creepy and all the imagery was really good.

0:33 Lee But yeah, it was one of those, assumes the twist happened.

0:35 Lee You went, well, how was he talking to her and how was that happening and why do they remember him and the

0:41 Chris Can't they make, can't they make Blu-rays where you get the option, do you want the shit twist at the end or, or cut it?

0:48 Chris Yeah, do you want the Lee version or the director's cut and like, you know, then you've got a film you could enjoy.

0:56 Lee Yeah.

0:57 Lee Oh, it was absolutely.

0:58 Adam Can't it be a banned snatch?

0:01 Chris Yeah, basically, well, just, yeah, just the ending, how do you want the ending?

0:04 Adam I think, I think the weird that it's, um, oh, what it is that horrible thing where you get that suspicion, that someone's gone, I've got this great plot and it's got twist, but they haven't actually got the twist yet, someone's given them the money and it's like, fuck, we better come up with this twist, uh, it was his sister all along.

0:27 Adam He hasn't got a sister.

0:28 Adam Right, her in.

0:30 Lee Yeah.

0:31 Adam You know, what are you talking about?

0:33 Adam And it's like, and we lost, um, we lost Sean Locke this week, which is a real shame, um, and, um, yeah, but I, I remember the words of very good friend of his, Mr. Bill Bailey, when he said, how does he write jokes, well, I start with a punchline and work my way back and that admittedly is a joke, but plot twist films, that's how they should be done.

0:01 Lee Yeah.

0:02 Adam It's like, it's like you don't think Agatha Christie lucked into her like solutions at the end of who the murderer was or whatever like that.

0:10 Adam It's like, no, I think she knew and then wrote the story.

0:14 Adam Whereas I think a lot of people seem to be forgetting that doing it backwards these days.

0:19 Adam What should we do, oh, it's all a dream, oh, yeah, because that will fuck me off.

0:24 Lee Yeah.

0:25 Lee It was, it was.

0:25 Lee Oh, and, and yeah.

0:28 Lee Again, it's the problem of if it had been crap, I'd have turned it off, but once I'd spent an hour and 45 and then it's shitting in my face, that was what really pissed me off.

0:38 Lee So, uh,

0:40 Lee yeah.

0:40 Chris It says here, The Empty Man was not screened in advance for critics and received mostly negative reviews upon release.

0:46 Chris So,

0:47 Lee They heard it's pod.

0:49 Adam Ha!

0:55 Lee Um, right, so without further ado, let's crack on to this evening's main event.

0:01 Lee I'm going to got trumpet, but if I did.

0:04 Lee Um, so, Claire.

0:06 Lee Um, I know we mentioned it briefly, but explain your history with this film, please.

0:12 Unknown This film, in the words of a great scholar, left a dot in my pants.

0:19 Unknown Because this is the one that made me not want to watch horror films.

0:24 Unknown This is like, this and House on Haunted Hill, but like the new version, yeah.

0:29 Adam Yeah, Jeffrey Rush version, yeah.

0:32 Unknown Because I watched those, these were like one of the first horror films I watched when I was a teen in a sort of like sleepover party scenario.

0:41 Unknown Which is already like one of the most tense like just places full stop.

0:49 Unknown Um, because you don't want to look like a dick.

0:52 Chris Yeah.

0:52 Unknown And I was just convinced I look like a dick, which made me even more scared.

0:57 Unknown Um, and I barely watched any of it.

0:01 Unknown And now I was like, I'm a double R bastard, so I'm going to watch this and um, I want to see how it

0:10 Unknown if it still has the same effect of me, now I'm not scared of horror as a genre.

0:16 Unknown Like the idea of watching a horror film doesn't frighten me anymore.

0:19 Unknown Um,

0:21 Unknown yeah, that that was my thinking.

0:24 Lee So did you make it to the end on this time around?

0:28 Unknown I did, yeah.

0:29 Lee Yay!

0:30 Chris And how were your pants?

0:32 Unknown I'm not doing it.

0:35 Unknown Ha!

0:36 Adam We did, there were, it was, we were a morse-free laundry that time, no dots, no dashes.

0:41 Chris That's very good.

0:43 Unknown Yeah.

0:44 Lee Um, so I know we've said it on the, the show before, but I think that's the thing with so many people who don't watch horror, they, they go to something like that, like a party or a sleepover when they're a teenager, you haven't got much to compare it to and somebody's always like, you know what would be really funny, to scare the cock out of everyone and prove how hard I am by making everyone watch something.

0:58 Lee And it's such a dick move, because it just spoils it for everybody because so many people never go back again.

0:11 Unknown Yeah.

0:12 Unknown And that, and that was definitely me.

0:15 Unknown And um, I was, yeah, watched it yesterday and it was just like, I mean, I had the advantage of I barely watched it the first time because I was hiding for most of it.

0:27 Unknown But um, I could only really remember like images of it rather than parts or scenes of the film and um, yeah, watching it this time was just a completely different experience if that's not too wanky to say.

0:44 Lee But did you enjoy it or did you just find it tolerable this time?

0:48 Unknown I, I wasn't frightened by it at all.

0:52 Unknown Hm.

0:54 Unknown I don't know if I enjoyed it.

0:58 Unknown But I'm glad I watched it again.

0:02 Lee Hm.

0:02 Chris Now, just, just to add at that point though, we are watching this still during a pandemic.

0:08 Chris Now that, that might, that might have adjusted, you know.

0:11 Unknown Yeah, these things make you guys.

0:14 Unknown Um,

0:15 Unknown but yeah, no, I think, because I said this to Adam after watching it and you were shocked.

0:22 Unknown Um, that I felt like this had aged worse than like Firefly.

0:29 Lee This looks awful now.

0:30 Lee Like everything about it, it just looks really off its time.

0:34 Unknown And um,

0:36 Unknown yeah, and I think that was the thing, well that and another detail that we'll come to, just really distracted me throughout the whole thing.

0:44 Adam Ha!

0:45 Unknown So I was just very distracted.

0:48 Chris See that's, that's like funny, because I get that with some, some eras more than others and I didn't get that with this for some reason.

0:56 Chris And yeah, it's funny, I can't work out exactly.

0:58 Unknown It's like, you know, when these are new and now like really fashionable.

0:01 Unknown People are going around wearing all that and people of our age are now like, well, I've made my decision, that's when I'll, was that my teens, that's where I'm staying.

0:12 Chris See, it's funny, right, I've, I've heard this, I've heard that 90s are back in.

0:15 Chris I still don't venture out of this room a lot, so I've yet to actually experience that 90s.

0:21 Unknown Oh, yeah, we went somewhere else.

0:24 Unknown Yeah, kids love Watch Kayna.

0:27 Unknown Fuck.

0:27 Unknown Yeah, it's gone, 90s is done, finished.

0:31 Chris But this, this was 2K, though, wasn't it, it's turned out to be just.

0:35 Adam Ha!

0:36 Adam I think this is the trouble though, I think you're right, I think probably me, certainly I feel, I would have been in my prime.

0:43 Adam And I was like,

0:44 Adam yes, this is exactly what the world's like.

0:46 Adam And unfortunately, I've not moved on from there.

0:50 Adam So it's like, no, that's still what the world's like.

0:51 Lee Fucking Tony Blair.

0:54 Adam Even George W. Bush, fucking, what?

0:58 Unknown Oh, Anthony Blair's long hair now, it's horrible.

0:01 Lee Oh!

0:02 Adam If you've not seen it, Tony Blair now looks like the bloke who fires them in Kill List.

0:07 Unknown Yeah.

0:08 Lee Oh!

0:10 Adam He really is like a wizened old ponce.

0:15 Adam So,

0:17 Lee Right.

0:17 Adam Long curly hair.

0:19 Lee And so, Chris, you saw this back when it was released, I'm imagining.

0:24 Chris Yeah, I think I might have seen it in the cinema.

0:28 Chris I don't actually remember going there, but I just, I remember it being big and so I'm assuming it was around the time and so it's, it's quite possible that I did.

0:37 Chris Um,

0:40 Chris Yeah, um,

0:44 Chris But I, I definitely remember being left with a sense that I liked it, even though I couldn't remember the details, um, I, I essentially did just remember the zombies being fast.

0:57 Chris And I guess, you know, I probably hadn't seen many zombie films.

0:03 Chris I'd probably seen them more in computer games, I imagine, than films because I can't actually remember, I hadn't seen any of the classics.

0:11 Adam This was the period where Resident Evil brought zombies into.

0:15 Chris Yeah, but funnily enough, I'd, I'd never actually played Resident Evil because I didn't have a PlayStation.

0:20 Chris Um, and I just, I'd never got it in PC.

0:23 Chris But I guess, I, I think in things like Quake and Doom.

0:27 Chris You know, they're zombie, essentially zombie type characters in, in it.

0:32 Chris So, and you know, I'd heard of them in the same way I'd heard of vampires, I didn't see that many vampire films either.

0:36 Chris So it just, yeah, I don't know, for me, it felt like it, they had done a good job of what I imagined to be modernizing zombies, making them fast.

0:46 Chris I, I, I remembered, I'd seen it again this time, I'd remembered thinking what was interesting is how at the start, it's the monkeys, um,

0:59 Chris and the scientists are kind of obviously doing something bad, probably, although his argument is, they have to infect them to study it.

0:07 Chris And you can make the argument because we do probably need to understand this sort of stuff and you can't infect humans, so you know, it's that's a debate there to be had.

0:18 Chris But then you've got the tree hugging hippies thinking they're doing something wonderful by releasing them, but they don't understand what they're doing and they just, they're so convinced.

0:28 Chris And, and, you know, that that is still a good, this is a, you know, a good story to see for, for modern times now.

0:35 Chris I mean, you know, the different groups around the world who think they've got the answers to life and it's their ideology and they're so convinced they're right and they don't want to listen to anyone else, whereas really, you've got to have a debate.

0:48 Lee See now I agree, I, one of the things that made me screaming in the office mad a couple of years ago, um, was when, uh, all the protesters were, um,

0:01 Lee uh, demonstrating against climate change.

0:03 Lee Um, and they've been saying the best way to, to help prevent climate change, they've been saying for decades, one of the best ways is to get out of your car and get on public transport.

0:13 Lee So in order to make a protest, they blocked all the public transport for a week and put everyone back in their car.

0:19 Lee And I'm like,

0:15 Chris They blocked all the

0:19 Lee yeah, so what you've now done is you've put everyone back in their car, they're going to realize how much nicer it is when there isn't some dirty, smelly griefer super gluing himself to the window and now all those people are going to get in the train, you fucking idiot.

0:34 Lee Um,

0:35 Chris Yeah, that's that's not quite how I put it, but, yeah.

0:40 Lee That's how I'd put it and I'll stand by that.

0:43 Chris Um,

0:44 Chris But yeah, so it's, it's sort of interesting, you know, this is a bleak film and essentially everyone is kind of doing it wrong a lot of the time.

0:50 Chris And, and that's because, you know, I mean, humans were not been made to be great at things, we've been made to just about, you know, continue, uh, the DNA and that's it.

0:57 Chris If we roughly do that good enough, the rest can just be complete chaos.

0:01 Unknown And then it's, it's like, and we are like pack animals, like we live in families.

0:06 Unknown Which is how the virus spread so quickly and then when you're in just pairs or threes, you fuck up completely because you've not got enough people to go, should we really be hanging about down here or should we fuck off?

0:16 Adam But then in appear, the more people you add, the more they get a commitment.

0:21 Adam And then by the end of it, there's some cuts sending you a memo and the fucking rage virus zombies got you by the throat.

0:26 Chris Yeah.

0:27 Adam It's like, I did, I said an email.

0:30 Chris Yeah.

0:31 Chris That's it, you're like with the military, so I mean, I did find that fascinating this time and it was a bit like, oh, you know, I, I completely understand what's going on here now.

0:39 Chris But in that situation, I don't know, what is the right answer?

0:41 Chris If, if the world is getting wiped out, you sort of have to reproduce.

0:45 Adam I don't.

0:45 Lee I don't think it's about reproduction.

0:48 Chris Oh, all right, no, so I mean it is because the biological urge that needs to be dealt with somehow and that's what it comes from.

0:54 Lee That's why that's what happens when the internet's gone.

0:57 Chris Yeah.

0:58 Adam That's true.

0:59 Adam They're out in the English woods, surely they could find some pornography.

0:03 Lee Ha!

0:04 Adam Or some, come on, old school.

0:08 Chris You know, I mean that there's, you know, I mean that is in like, in some situation like that.

0:12 Chris Obviously at some point it's got to get serious and you've got to figure out, well, what do we all think is a good setup now?

0:18 Chris Um,

0:20 Chris I mean, that that would be a very boring film to try, try and figure that out in a, in a very nice way.

0:26 Chris But, you know, it's clearly a difficult thing.

0:30 Adam There's a show you might like, Chris, there was a show in the 70s and I think they remade it in the mid 2000s called Survivors.

0:36 Chris Mm.

0:38 Adam And the certainly the original version of it was like 28 Days Later via The Good Life.

0:45 Chris Mm, okay.

0:47 Adam And so,

0:47 Adam it's quite, so basically a virus, there's a viral outbreak and it wipes out loads of people.

0:54 Adam Um,

0:55 Adam but it is the people trying to like exist.

0:01 Adam So unfortunately, for every episode that you've got like something exciting happens.

0:05 Adam Like an army bloke turns up and tries to be a prick and they kill him.

0:09 Chris Yeah.

0:12 Adam There's about 40 episodes about crop rotation.

0:16 Chris Yeah.

0:16 Unknown Gay pants.

0:17 Adam Yeah, yeah.

0:18 Adam It's so it's, but it, but that does go much more into that idea of like.

0:20 Adam You're they're trying to build a society and there's even like, there's like an episode where.

0:28 Adam They basically have to form a cult because there's a guy who kills someone.

0:31 Adam And they're like, so what do we do about this?

0:36 Adam Because there's no law, do we reintroduce law?

0:40 Adam And things like that.

0:42 Adam Uh, it's obviously, it's from the 70s.

0:43 Adam And like I say, it's very sort of,

0:45 Adam it's very middle class in that, well, well, you know, we should have a fair judge and jury, really.

0:49 Adam And it's like, no, he's an animal, take him outside, make him dig his own grave.

0:51 Adam Kill him.

0:52 Chris Yeah.

0:52 Lee Yeah.

0:53 Adam Ha!

0:54 Adam But,

0:54 Adam no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, in those sort of circumstances, you know.

0:58 Lee Yeah, and that Adam's playing for next Monday.

0:01 Lee This is just.

0:02 Adam No.

0:02 Adam No, I'm off work.

0:04 Lee Ha!

0:06 Lee Um, but yeah, I the thing that struck me more than anything, I've got to say, uh, that you touched on, Claire, was just how badly this film has aged in everything about it.

0:18 Lee Like, the look and feel of it, at first, I was like, oh, has she put the biker Grove DVD in, this like, it just looked like terrible ITV shooting, it was awful.

0:29 Adam Because it's all on, it's all digital video.

0:32 Lee Yeah.

0:33 Lee Really early.

0:34 Adam Yeah, very early, yeah.

0:37 Unknown Yeah, I think that might have been why I was a bit disappointed.

0:43 Unknown Because, because I had such like, such a reaction from it first time, I'd built it up in my mind that it must be this like amazing piece of cinema, which had shocked me like that.

0:57 Unknown And actually, no.

0:58 Unknown It, probably the 12 other teenagers shit scared me more than the film.

0:04 Chris But was there, was there something about like the opening scene when he, when he's walking around London and it's deserted.

0:08 Chris I mean, that I'm fairly certain that had a big impact, it was like, well, we haven't sort of seen London look like that before.

0:14 Chris So is it just that that, it was almost like the zoomed out.

0:16 Chris And seeing these grand vistas that normally look bustling with life, like, was that just such a contrast?

0:23 Unknown Those, those quiet bits, I thought were more effective than

0:27 Adam Yeah.

0:28 Unknown The zombie bits.

0:29 Unknown And because you really felt like, and I even said, what the fuck would you do?

0:35 Unknown Like,

0:37 Chris Yeah.

0:37 Unknown Because you would never, to see a hospital deserted.

0:39 Unknown You'd go, oh, I don't know, you'd assume something had happened there.

0:42 Unknown But for London to be just.

0:44 Chris But of course, we have now seen that in real life.

0:46 Chris There's much like, watching this, it's like, oh, yeah, you know, it's just nothing special about this film, we're done now.

0:51 Adam Has the power of this film been diminished by the fact that we now know that a pandemic's a bit more fucking boring?

0:54 Chris Yeah.

0:55 Lee Yeah.

0:56 Adam Ha!

0:57 Adam You know.

0:58 Chris I can't, I can't trust anything in this now.

0:01 Lee It's

0:01 Chris What else have they lied to me about?

0:02 Lee No, that was fantastic, the music that they overlayed on that, um,

0:06 Lee on those London scene. I know we talked about it a couple of weeks ago, Chris, and you said you've never listened to Godspeed You! Black Emperor.

0:11 Chris Well, yeah.

0:11 Lee This, like, watching this, it sounds identical.

0:14 Lee Yeah.

0:15 Lee Like, it's just

0:15 Lee It's just incredible.

0:17 Chris No, so that's it, so I must have played Godspeed You! Black Emperor before.

0:19 Chris I'm sure like it's been played.

0:21 Adam Oh.

0:21 Lee He would have.

0:22 Adam He would have played.

0:22 Chris Yeah, but when I, yeah, when I was watching, I was thinking, yeah, like,

0:25 Chris it was reminding me of something so that is, yeah, I think that's fantastic.

0:28 Adam Because that earlier stuff because we, we did see it and I definitely saw it in the cinema.

0:35 Adam I'm pretty sure I saw it with you, Lee.

0:36 Lee I was going to say the same, yeah.

0:37 Adam And I, and I definitely saw it with Dean, because I remember the little flattened out aisle.

0:43 Lee Yeah.

0:43 Adam Of like, him going, it's Godspeed You! Black Emperor.

0:46 Lee Yeah.

0:47 Adam Yeah.

0:47 Adam Yeah.

0:48 Adam You get a flattened out, it was wrong with you, like.

0:49 Chris You get a flattened out, that's what, that's more weird than anything.

0:51 Lee Ha!

0:52 Adam You know, I met you then.

0:53 Adam What's wrong with you?

0:54 Adam Um, of just like whispered sort of like, it's got to speed you black.

0:57 Adam It's got to speed you black and it's actually, um, it's Hastings from their album.

0:01 Adam F Sharp A Sharp Infinity.

0:02 Adam And apparently, Danny Boyle said that he uses music when he writes.

0:09 Adam And that album was basically, as he said, that's what he wrote the film to.

0:14 Chris Yeah, that's interesting.

0:15 Adam So he sort of.

0:16 Adam He used it in there.

0:16 Adam There's, there's a really good, there was, there was a nice little series of CDs which was, um, authors doing the same thing.

0:28 Adam Where they picked music that they listened to while they were writing and Clay Barks was really good because it was mostly soundtracks.

0:32 Adam Um,

0:33 Adam but similarly, yeah, he said that because I can't remember what was the other thing he said, it was like, there was another film where he'd, um, like he, it was, oh, it was Underworld.

0:46 Adam Uh, the first Underworld.

0:46 Adam album was what he wrote Trainspotting to.

0:48 Lee Yeah.

0:49 Adam Um, so it's sort of, yeah.

0:50 Adam But, um, but no, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, and that, that whole opening sequence is fucking incredible.

0:54 Lee Yeah.

0:56 Adam And it has to be said.

0:57 Adam I think that, because, interestingly enough, Claire was like, at one point, I think we just went to get a drink and have a pea or whatever like that.

0:01 Adam And you said, oh, is it much longer?

0:03 Adam And I was like, strangely enough, I don't think it has, because I was like hitting plot points really quickly, and when they were filming it, they only had like very small times where the basically the police would block off roads for them for about half an hour early on a Sunday.

0:16 Adam And that's when they'd filmed the deserted London stuff.

0:19 Adam And, interestingly enough, I think that that might have been what helped the pace of the film.

0:22 Adam Because I think if they'd have had more cart blanche to film empty London, it would have been much more ponderous.

0:34 Adam I think.

0:34 Adam There would have been, it would have got to the point where it's like.

0:35 Adam Get, make something happen.

0:36 Unknown Yeah, don't tell me, show me.

0:37 Adam Yeah.

0:37 Adam And it was like, and I think that that might have actually been in its favor.

0:42 Adam Like the sort of.

0:43 Adam The fact that they couldn't shut down London fully.

0:48 Adam And actually, most of the night stuff is regraded day footage because it was cheaper to do that.

0:50 Adam And more effective than it was to digitally try and remove street lights and building lights for any of the nighttime stuff.

0:54 Adam So, yeah, so a lot of it was day for night shooting.

0:56 Lee It looks better than a lot of day for night shooting, to be fair.

0:57 Lee And yeah, considering how bad it looks in general, I think that came across really well.

0:02 Adam I think that's the thing, I think that's the thing of the digital element of it, but like I say, it's such an early digital thing.

0:07 Adam Weirdly enough, it now looks like you shot it on a phone, not the latest model.

0:14 Chris Mm.

0:14 Adam You know, it looks like YouTube.

0:17 Adam And, and it's sort of pre, obviously predates YouTube by three years.

0:22 Adam But I think, yeah, it does look like that, but that to me in my head, I think still makes it feel realistic.

0:29 Adam Whereas I think for you, you were like,

0:30 Chris That's just lost it.

0:31 Chris Completely.

0:31 Adam You know, it looks like they haven't got.

0:32 Adam They haven't got the light.

0:34 Unknown But it wasn't even that.

0:35 Unknown It was, I don't, I don't even know what it.

0:37 Unknown What it was about, because obviously, like you can say, oh, the telly that the chimps are watching it on, you can't be big.

0:45 Unknown Aren't they chunky?

0:46 Unknown Yeah.

0:46 Lee You were, yeah.

0:46 Adam Yeah, but chimps can only watch big chunky tellies.

0:48 Lee Yeah.

0:48 Adam They's done that.

0:50 Unknown Yeah.

0:50 Adam And the like the big four channels.

0:52 Unknown Yeah.

0:52 Adam And the like the big four channels.

0:54 Unknown But it was just everything, everything about it felt like it, like the really quick cuts felt really off the time.

0:02 Unknown The fact that there was so much, well, I said to you, the NHS really deserve those round of applause because Jim was in a coma when he fell off a fucking bike.

0:11 Unknown He's come out the coma and he's doing parkour and killing eight army men, you know.

0:19 Lee Yeah.

0:20 Adam Yeah.

0:21 Lee I can't, I had exactly the same thought at the same point.

0:23 Lee It was when he suddenly ambushed them shirtless in the rain.

0:25 Lee And I was like, didn't he hear three days ago, like he's doing very.

0:28 Lee Yeah, he gets shot.

0:29 Unknown He gets shot.

0:30 Unknown He gets shot in the chest point blank.

0:34 Unknown And makes it.

0:35 Unknown With a rifle.

0:36 Chris Yeah, but it's, he's doing it from passion.

0:37 Chris He's, he's got something to live for, they've all lost it.

0:41 Adam It's interesting because the whole thing, especially, like, I love.

0:44 Adam I mean, for a start, I love the scene where he blinds the bloke with his thumbs because, I, you know, I, life goals.

0:49 Adam But also,

0:50 Adam you know, he is literally the most unpleasant of a bunch of arseholes.

0:55 Adam And that's inclu, that's including.

0:56 Adam Christopher Eccleston pretending to be Charles Dance and a gooner in a fucking Philly, Philly fucking apron.

0:01 Adam But yeah, still there.

0:01 Adam Fuck off you can't, don't miss him.

0:04 Adam I'm glad he gets his head smashed in.

0:04 Adam I would have, I would have been happy about that if he was a charity worker.

0:08 Adam He's like, he's just such a prick.

0:09 Adam But that scene then has the bit where she thinks Jim's infected.

0:14 Lee Yeah.

0:15 Adam And it is almost kind of like,

0:17 Adam oh, so he's channeling his rage.

0:18 Adam But and it pains me because I do love the film.

0:21 Adam But yeah.

0:23 Adam I love the film, I think because everything's really, really, really fucking bleak and everything's really, really accurate.

0:28 Adam And then finally it's like, yeah, but you'd want a happy ending and a happy ending, unfortunately in this scenario involves slaughtering seven army men.

0:33 Adam And getting shot in the chest.

0:35 Adam You know, it is, that's, that's the best you can expect as a happy ending, you know.

0:40 Lee But then I still think, right.

0:41 Lee So Hannah.

0:43 Lee is like, she's a really shit actor, she can't, she's not great.

0:51 Lee But as a character, she's brilliant, she's really fucking useful, she can drive, she can fix cars, she can handle her drugs.

0:01 Lee Yeah.

0:01 Lee I think she should have been the one that took down the army men and not Jim. she didn't take out Christopher Eccleston.

0:15 Chris She did take out Christopher Eccleston.

0:18 Lee Yeah, that's true.

0:18 Lee That was a pretty badass move.

0:19 Lee That was really good.

0:21 Adam She has only, I think she's only done like two other films and they were before this, but she is now a musician and pop star.

0:28 Adam She's, but she's called Betty Curse and it's like sort of emo punk pop that you can imagine someone called Betty Curse would produce.

0:35 Adam But yeah, so she's not really.

0:36 Adam She's not really pursued an acting career since this.

0:38 Lee So.

0:39 Lee You're, you're right, though.

0:40 Lee Because I.

0:40 Lee That was my first thing as I said, so I saw this at the cinema.

0:44 Lee I bought it when it came out on DVD, I might have watched it once but not seen it again since.

0:47 Lee Um, yeah, and it's the activist at the beginning, they are the shittiest actors and I was like, if the acting is this level all the way through, I'm really going to struggle with this.

0:57 Lee It was Murphy then.

0:57 Lee Yeah.

0:57 Lee So.

0:58 Adam But, but we saw.

0:58 Lee So I think I think they were.

0:59 Adam No, I think Jim was the only one where he didn't flash it.

0:02 Adam Flash it.

0:03 Adam I mean, most, most of the infected.

0:04 Adam I'll tell you what, because they got like dancers and athletes and stuff like that because they were like, well, what do we want from these people, physicality more than anything else.

0:10 Adam So, you know, they don't, they don't need to be fucking Marlon Brando.

0:12 Adam They've just got, you know, you need.

0:14 Adam Um, but like the guy who plays Mahler.

0:16 Adam He's basically, he's like a stuntman who's been in all the Disney Star Wars, all the Daniel Craig Bonds, children of men, Dr. Who, and loads and loads and loads of stuff.

0:25 Adam And most of them have been in most of them have been in Dr. Who, most of them have been in the descent.

0:29 Adam And one of them is the thin bloke from the Come to Daddy video.

0:35 Lee Oh, really?

0:36 Adam Yeah.

0:36 Lee Oh, right.

0:36 Adam Yeah.

0:37 Adam And I think that's.

0:37 Adam Yeah, I think that's right.

0:39 Adam But yeah, so they've all, so there's all, but yeah, so a lot of people have sort of and half of the.

0:43 Adam Half of the military guys are all like, there's people from EastEnders and stuff like that.

0:44 Adam And you know, there's everyone's sort of, yeah, they just seem to have hit a real vein of British talent just before most of them actually sort of break cover.

0:50 Adam In a way.

0:51 Unknown And I suppose because it is such a small cast, obviously, that they they had to pick people who could act.

0:55 Unknown Because otherwise, it's going to stand out like a sore thumb.

0:56 Adam Like Hannah.

0:58 Lee Yeah.

0:58 Adam Yeah.

0:58 Adam But I think, yeah, there's there's um, Lee's looking intently at his screen again.

0:04 Adam Yes.

0:04 Adam He might have gone.

0:05 Adam If, if, if he's not,

0:05 Adam the one, the one I think made me laugh was, my plans, my plans for the summer with a picture of the girl from Hereditary and then just a picture of a pole for the delta varian.

0:08 Lee Ha!

0:08 Lee I didn't watch it.

0:08 Lee I got.

0:09 Adam Okay.

0:10 Adam Midsummer.

0:10 Adam I got halfway through and got bored.

0:11 Adam Yeah, actually, yeah.

0:12 Adam I think he just went.

0:13 Adam Yeah.

0:14 Adam I was like, oh, all the tears.

0:16 Adam There's been a few of them.

0:17 Adam Yeah.

0:17 Adam But actually, yeah.

0:18 Adam There's been a few were pretty poor, but yeah, I think the next thing I would go to push myself would be something more supernatural.

0:22 Adam So, Yeah.

0:23 Adam Any recommendations that you have, I'll go for that.

0:24 Adam Okay.

0:25 Chris I highly recommend on your own in the dark.

0:26 Chris Any of the supernaturals.

0:28 Unknown Yeah.

0:29 Adam Yeah.

0:30 Adam Because you weren't keen on.

0:30 Adam What was it?

0:31 Adam I Am a Ghost.

0:32 Adam Which wasn't we didn't cover it on the show, but you weren't.

0:33 Lee Yeah, that that was horrible that.

0:36 Adam Yeah.

0:37 Lee That was, that was horrible.

0:38 Unknown Um, but I would give that a go if you lot covered it, I would join you with that.

0:44 Unknown I hope my balls are.

0:46 Unknown Oh.

0:46 Unknown I will.

0:46 Adam Yeah.

0:48 Adam Yeah, I'm trying to think because we, we.

0:50 Adam I think we do a fair spread so we probably do a supernatural at some point.

0:53 Unknown Yeah.

0:54 Adam Well, you can, but you know.

0:56 Chris Yeah, that.

0:56 Chris Yeah, it didn't, I think the difference with that is, you're kind of on the side of the supernatural ghost.

0:58 Chris Aren't you?

0:59 Chris You know, you don't.

0:01 Adam Well, that, that was something they mentioned in Monster.

0:03 Adam When I was watching it, and they said, you, you've got it right because you had the monster.

0:06 Adam But you made him sympathetic.

0:08 Adam And that's what you've got to have, you've got to fear the monster, but also have sympathy for the monster.

0:12 Unknown I think, I think if something looks like a person, then I'll be fine with it.

0:15 Unknown Which is why I wouldn't class something like Candyman.

0:18 Unknown But if it was ghostly,

0:20 Adam What, like Lee is a ghost?

0:22 Adam That's right, yeah.

0:23 Adam Yeah.

0:24 Lee Hello.

0:25 Lee He's going.

0:25 Lee Me, with a sheet on my head.

0:26 Adam Well, actually, you've experienced that all week because that's what Ted's been doing.

0:30 Lee Oh, God, Ted's suddenly become allergic to trousers.

0:31 Lee And so, all I've seen is just a small person's cock and balls and him saying, I'm spooky, whoa.

0:39 Adam And, and he.

0:40 Chris Is that, is that Harry's learning to get around by if you, he turns into something that's horror themed.

0:41 Chris And he's like, oh, he's good with that, that's fine.

0:43 Chris Don't worry.

0:44 Adam Curiously enough, I'm just quite pleased the amount of times he what he wants to watch spooky things as he falls.

0:48 Adam Asleep.

0:48 Adam Yeah.

0:49 Adam All the time, yeah.

0:50 Adam Like he likes Coraline.

0:50 Adam He likes Halloween specials of various cartoons and stuff like that.

0:54 Adam Well, also he likes Christmas.

0:54 Adam I think it's just a decoration thing with him.

0:55 Adam So.

0:56 Lee Anything sparkly.

0:58 Adam Yeah.

0:58 Lee Cool.

0:59 Lee Um, right, so, uh, we should probably wrap it up here.

0:01 Lee So, thank you very much for joining us, Claire, and happy birthday for tomorrow.

0:05 Chris Happy birthday.

0:06 Unknown Oh, thank you.

0:07 Unknown Thank you.

0:08 Adam I'm not wishing you a happy birthday now because I wish you one of the moment.

0:10 Adam You're not getting more.

0:11 Unknown Yeah.

0:12 Unknown Don't wear it out.

0:12 Adam No.

0:13 Lee Uh, yeah, and thank you for bringing this film back into our, back to our attention.

0:16 Lee Because yeah, it, it was great to go back and rewatch it.

0:18 Unknown Oh, good.

0:18 Unknown Well,

0:19 Adam And I had a thoroughly miserable time.

0:20 Adam It's wonderful.

0:21 Lee Right, right, my strike.

0:23 Lee Yeah.

0:25 Lee And on that note, we are hopefully, if we can arrange our guest, we hopefully going to have a guest again for the next episode.

0:33 Lee Um, and we are going to continue, I've not seen this film.

0:38 Lee Um, we are going to continue down the miserable AF route.

0:42 Lee Um, and we are going to watch Martyrs with our friend Manny.

0:46 Adam Ooh.

0:47 Lee Uh, if all things go well.

0:50 Adam Well, I can, I can honestly say I'm expecting Chris to really, really enjoy this and possibly you not so much, Lee.

0:57 Chris Martyr's not a comedy.

0:59 Adam Yeah.

0:01 Adam Please tell me that's written on your hand.

0:03 Chris No.

0:03 Adam No, no.

0:04 Chris All right.

0:04 Chris I will.

0:04 Chris I will bear that in mind.

0:06 Lee Right.

0:07 Lee So, in the meantime, everyone, thanks ever so much for listening.

0:10 Lee Uh, go and check out all of our friends, other podcasts that we always discuss.

0:14 Lee Uh, they're not for everyone, podcast, check out the ESX podcast.

0:16 Lee Uh, and most importantly, for Christ's sake, watch something cheerie before our next episode because it's going to go further down here.

0:21 Lee Um, yeah, and good night.

0:22 Chris Good night.

0:23 Adam Good night.

0:24 Unknown Bye.